howmany people here dont trust the vaccine or covid

[VerdantGreen]

St. Phatty , please read what i posted about analysing raw data on cases and deaths with/without vaccines. it isn't quite as simple you might think. Making a decision based of poor understanding of how the stats work is not a good plan. I say this only with yours and those around you's welfare in mind.

i'm not great with statistics but i can see that if you are vaccinating the most infirm/vulnerable as a priority, and the most infirm/vulnerable are most likely to get vaccinated, then comparing vaxxed vs non vaxxed is going to be complicated and problematic. Plus those groups may behave differently, may be more or less likely to get tested etc etc.

they talk about it in this UK report

https://assets.publishing.service.go.. .rt-week-48.pdf

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/sc...he-vaccinated/

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health/how-we-know-covid-19-vaccines-work

 

[gaiusmarius]

i'm not great with statistics but i can see that if you are vaccinating the most infirm/vulnerable as a priority, and the most infirm/vulnerable are most likely to get vaccinated, then comparing vaxxed vs non vaxxed is going to be complicated and problematic. Plus those groups may behave differently, may be more or less likely to get tested etc etc.

they talk about it in this UK report

https://assets.publishing.service.go.. .rt-week-48.pdf

good counter point, still seems crazy that we are at 50/50, i mean they are comparing covid deaths in the end, most of those are old, whether vaxed or unvaxed.
but it does change the calculation quite a bit. so basically 20% of old unvaccinated people are causing 50% of covid deaths.

 

[mexcurandero420]

St. Phatty , please read what i posted about analysing raw data on cases and deaths with/without vaccines. it isn't quite as simple you might think. Making a decision based of poor understanding of how the stats work is not a good plan. I say this only with yours and those around you's welfare in mind.



https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/sc...he-vaccinated/

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health/how-we-know-covid-19-vaccines-work

FYI that is already old data since Omnicron is taken over Delta at high speed.Did you also look to the excess mortality rate in the UK at the same time during the vaccination roll out?

 

[h.h.]

FYI that is already old data since Omnicron is taken over Delta at high speed.Did you also look to the excess mortality rate in the UK at the same time during the vaccination roll out?

Good thing they rolled it out. It was spreading fast.

 

[VerdantGreen]

FYI that is already old data since Omnicron is taken over Delta at high speed.Did you also look to the excess mortality rate in the UK at the same time during the vaccination roll out?

I wasn't trying to present the latest data, i was pointing out the dangers of using a simplistic and flawed analysis of raw data to argue a point about the vaccines. Drawing proper conclusions from statistics is often complicated and we aren't all experts at it, including me.
this blog explains some of it quite well:
https://livefreeordichotomize.com/2021/07/21/denominators-matter/

 

[Hammerhead]

Even though Omicron is more transmissible, it's less severe in illness. More sick but less dead. That works. The new Covid pill is coming. The anti vaccers should start bad mouthing that soon.

I just read chloroquine has been rebranded as this new covid pill LMAO.

 

[mexcurandero420]

I wasn't trying to present the latest data, i was pointing out the dangers of using a simplistic and flawed analysis of raw data to argue a point about the vaccines. Drawing proper conclusions from statistics is often complicated and we aren't all experts at it, including me.
this blog explains some of it quite well:
https://livefreeordichotomize.com/2021/07/21/denominators-matter/

COVID-19 vaccinations and mortality - a Bayesian analysis

https://www.researchgate.net/public...cinations_and_mortality_-_a_Bayesian_analysis

 

[VerdantGreen]

COVID-19 vaccinations and mortality - a Bayesian analysis

https://www.researchgate.net/public...cinations_and_mortality_-_a_Bayesian_analysis

anyone can post anything to researchgate. If you really want the truth, rather than something that just supports the opinions you already have (which you will always be able to find on the internet) , then look for peer-reviewed scientific studies or papers... which means they have been checked by other scholars for accuracy.
VG

 

[BudToaster]

YES! bring on the fact checkers! when i see "the truth" i read "the consensus" - really, just mass opinion, easily manipulated by propaganda and fear. and it works for/against all sides.

 

[Amynamous]

I like my science from actual scientists.
I also like my doctors to be real doctors and my surgeons to be real surgeons.
I’m strange that way.

 

[Hammerhead]

It's clear many don't care much for Science. The only people they trust are those with the same feelings they have. Peered reviewed was brought up long ago but some refuse to accept them in fav of anything else.. IMO some people are just scared to get the jab as it might cause them to grow a third boob .

 

[mexcurandero420]

anyone can post anything to researchgate. If you really want the truth, rather than something that just supports the opinions you already have (which you will always be able to find on the internet) , then look for peer-reviewed scientific studies or papers... which means they have been checked by other scholars for accuracy.
VG

One of the three Prof.Schetters is involved himself in developing vaccines.He knows the in & outs.The one from the VU Amsterdam is analyticus.Its not just an opinion from the three gentlemen.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Why would anyone not trust "the science?"...

https://www.icmag.com/forum/talk-ab...2-the-great-awakening?p=18017940#post18017940

 

[mexcurandero420]

 

[h.h.]

Since Merck took a backseat in the vaccine development, they still aren’t pushing their wonder drug ivermectin. Must be populist crap science.

 

[Amynamous]

mexcurandero420
That looks like great news.

Here’s a link with an updated graph and lots of other data. Confirmed cases have skyrocketed there, so the lower mortality numbers are encouraging.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/south-africa

 

[dramamine]

Since Merck took a backseat in the vaccine development, they still aren’t pushing their wonder drug ivermectin. Must be populist crap science.

It's off patent, so it's not a money maker.

 

[mexcurandero420]

mexcurandero420
That looks like great news.

Here’s a link with an updated graph and lots of other data. Confirmed cases have skyrocketed there, so the lower mortality numbers are encouraging.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/south-africa

Info about the symptoms of Omnikron from the UK is running nose, sneezing, fatigue and a headache, that's it.

 

[GMT]

The concern is whether the lower serious effects are due to the high rate if previous infections there or just a milder version. Its reason to be hopeful but too early to celebrate yet.

 

[BudToaster]

today's rabbit hole ... i just stumbled onto the literature for biological nano routers - some papers describing the tech go back to 2013. should certainly be mature enough by now to be deployed in the jab. this is just too fucked up. i really hope all those researchers are going to say they were only kidding.

i don't think 60g of psilocybin is going to be enough. i am looking into growing/processing some DMT, just to be on the safe side.