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VerdantGreen

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from what i gather, viruses mutate to become less lethal, not more. the virus wants you to spread it around as much as possible, if it kills you off fast it doesn't get a chance to spread as widely as if it gives you only mild symptoms so you can continue to spread it, so it generally mutates to that end, ie higher infection rate, but lesser symptoms. we can but hope that this is the case with omicron. delta was already more contagious then the previous ones and had a lower mortality, now omicron is even more virulent and even less deadly.


yes, that's often true, but not always. there are a few examples in the link. spanish flu and ebola were two iirc
 

mexcurandero420

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Impressive array, looks expensive as hell.
Imagine there is an interesting back story...

This radar installation was build within 36 hours.Its a very advanced radar system than the Woodpecker they had in the past.
 

h.h.

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hmmmmmm…..
Are influenza (flu) and COVID-19 caused by the same virus?
Influenza (flu) and COVID-19 are both contagious respiratory illnesses, but they are caused by different viruses. COVID-19 is caused by infection with a coronavirus first identified in 2019, and flu is caused by infection with influenza viruses.
 

gaiusmarius

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The Virus mutated to become more deadly in the later waves of that pandemic

https://www.livescience.com/1918-flu-variant-deadlier-later-waves-lung-tissue.html

covid also mutated to be more heavy in the early stages, but you are of course correct, it can go either way. but omicron seems to be going in the benign direction. once it really spreads its self around, even a new mutation of a more deadly kind, would find its life harder, due to all the natural immunity previously spread by omicron. so what ever the virus does next, omicron seems to be a good thing, not as good as no surge at all, but better then another delta surge.

like i have noted before, this virus is pretty special, almost magical, from its many many symptoms to its mysterious beginnings. it hasn't exactly been predictable. so really, only time will give us certainty in these questions.
 

VerdantGreen

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Agreed that Omnicron is a good sign, although with it being so infectious, sheer numbers may translate to quite a few deaths - even if it poses a reduced risk. That said, figures from SA should be viewed with the knowledge that the population is younger and slimmer.. as well as that there have already been 2 massive waves over there whilst there were few vaccines.. so many of the more vulnerable may have died back then and most people have good natural immunity (most having caught covid twice)

Flu was also around before the spanish flu epidemic in 1918.... so it must have mutated into spanish flu as well.
There have been numerous epidemics over the centuries
Hippocrates first described flu symptoms in 400 BC !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_influenza
 

mexcurandero420

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The flu from 1918-1921 originated from an animal from a farm in Kansas.It jumped to humans which mutated and became infectious from human to human.
 

VerdantGreen

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"
The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918....
While the
1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and evaluated
, the properties that made it so devastating are not well understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to
non-pharmaceutical interventions
such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly."

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm
 

gaiusmarius

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Agreed that Omnicron is a good sign, although with it being so infectious, sheer numbers may translate to quite a few deaths - even if it poses a reduced risk. That said, figures from SA should be viewed with the knowledge that the population is younger and slimmer.. as well as that there have already been 2 massive waves over there whilst there were few vaccines.. so many of the more vulnerable may have died back then and most people have good natural immunity (most having caught covid twice)

Flu was also around before the spanish flu epidemic in 1918.... so it must have mutated into spanish flu as well.
There have been numerous epidemics over the centuries
Hippocrates first described flu symptoms in 400 BC !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_influenza

yes, that's exactly what the health minister said here, the sheer numbers will most likely push hospital capacity to the outer limits for the next few weeks. i really hope the mortality will continue to be kept low, but it will get harder and harder the fuller the hospitals are. gonna be a bad winter, we are back to; work at home orders, for anyone that can, all cultural and free time indoor events are now only allowed with covid certificate. doing a quick test is no longer accepted. this is the one stupid thing he said imo. to me it seems logical, that those that are tested are really the safest folks to be around right now. with the certificate alone, you don't really know 100% if someone has it or not. with a fresh test you really know, so disallowing the recently tested seems to be just another way the gov is using to push that shot. or maybe the end goal is the certificate. either way excluding the tested is unscientific.
 

GMT

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There's some uncertainty about the accuracy of the lft's for Omicron due to the high level of mutation. I'm trying to find figures, but I haven't seen any published yet.
 

Three Berries

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Stunning Covid data from Denmark

But not for the reason you've been told; the story is vaccine failure, not Omicron

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/stunning-covid-data-from-denmark

Omicron - which continues to appear significantly less dangerous though more transmissible than earlier variants of Covid - has been used as a cover for vaccine failure.

Most new Covid cases in Denmark occur in people who are vaccinated or boosted - and that is true for both Omicron and earlier variants. More than 76 percent of non-Omicron Covid infections in Denmark are in vaccinated people, along with about 90 percent of Omicron infections.

Further, only 25 of the 561 people currently hospitalized in Denmark for Covid have the Omicron variant. The Danes do not provide an exact number for patients in intensive care with Omicron, saying only that it is fewer than five.
 
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