Healthcare passes house. your thoughts?

[Bobby Stainless]

Im not a anything fanboy. Except for GT-Rs maybe.

I bought in on Gold when it was less than a zip of chronic. So I am happy.

I also have got my "ducks in a row", so to speak.

I also like to look at all the Data before making a concrete decision.

 

[flat5th]

the UN is in the business of making the U.S and Israel look like the evil ones in the world

I think we're doin' a pretty good job of that ourselves.

 

[9Lives]

Im not a anything fanboy. Except for GT-Rs maybe.

I bought in on Gold when it was less than a zip of chronic. So I am happy.

I also have got my "ducks in a row", so to speak.

I also like to look at all the Data before making a concrete decision.

Hey i am with you on the gold thing...Been with it for years..

But we have not yet seen what we are expecting. A gold rush..This rise now..While big is still nothing compared to what is coming.

 

[HOVAH2.0]

Can we all agree that you really have to be a WICKEDLY, sick, individual to wanna charge

someone for being sick,

to wanna kick someone out of a hospital because they cant pay the bill.

YOU really have to be some kind of a brain wash robot to think that everyone in the world shouldnt be given meds because they cant afford it.

i mean if you truely believe you should pay for your health, you are a canidate for the Republican party. but youre also a canidate for any extreme faction in the world
Iranian party leaders, the tea partys of US, al qaeda ,

these extreme, normally racist but not always, are just Partys for people who dont care for the advicment of the human species as a whole, they want power to stay in there favor... ie political or financial and they use untruths and lies to convice the masses.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

The only rise we have seen, has been fueled by the "rush to gold" IMO.

Like you said, the real gains, have not been realized.

 

[9Lives]

Can we all agree that you really have to be a WICKEDLY, sick, individual to wanna charge

someone for being sick,

to wanna kick someone out of a hospital because they cant pay the bill.

YOU really have to be some kind of a brain wash robot to think that everyone in the world shouldnt be given meds because they cant afford it.

i mean if you truely believe you should pay for your health, you are a canidate for the Republican party. but youre also a canidate for any extreme faction in the world
Iranian party leaders, the tea partys of US, al qaeda ,

these extreme, normally racist but not always, are just Partys for people who dont care for the advicment of the human species as a whole, they want power to stay in there favor... ie political or financial and they use untruths and lies to convice the masses.

Talking out of your ass...

Yes i could not give a rats ass if a lazy fat fuck dies of cardiac arrest because he has bee gobbling down McD-s for the last 10 years..I really do not care if he dies..

And you can count in other similar situations in there as well..

 

[Bobby Stainless]

Can we all agree that you really have to be a WICKEDLY, sick, individual to wanna charge

someone for being sick,

to wanna kick someone out of a hospital because they cant pay the bill.

YOU really have to be some kind of a brain wash robot to think that everyone in the world shouldnt be given meds because they cant afford it.

i mean if you truely believe you should pay for your health, you are a canidate for the Republican party. but youre also a canidate for any extreme faction in the world
Iranian party leaders, the tea partys of US, al qaeda ,

these extreme, normally racist but not always, are just Partys for people who dont care for the advicment of the human species as a whole, they want power to stay in there favor... ie political or financial and they use untruths and lies to convice the masses.

Everything should be free, and it should never rain, and we should all have puppies...

If you don't agree with the health reform, so I am a racist??? Do you work for MSNBC?

You sir, have bought it all, hook... line... and sinker. There is no Democrat and Republican anymore.

The reason health care is expensive, is due to mal-practice insurance, and doctors doing more than necessary. There is NO person in the US that can not go to a ER, and get health care. PERIOD.

The only way Health Care will get cheaper is Tort reform.

 

[KnowBudz]

The bill is an abomination! So many folks don't seem to "get" the fact that health *insurance* is not the same as health *care*. There is absolutely NO evidence that government interference ever leads to anything other than waste, fraud, and universally-shitty outcomes. It doesn't take too much study to realize that the bill would in no way lead to any of its stated goals.

So many folks miss the obvious....that most of our current insurance woes are the end result of years of government tinkering. Medicare and Medicaid simply transfer costs to private insurance. Shifting costs is not lowering costs. If the goal was truly providing coverage to the uninsured, that could be accomplished without trashing the whole system.

As every student is taught in Econ 101, "there is no such thing as a free lunch".

 

[basspirate]

Talking out of your ass...

Yes i could not give a rats ass if a lazy fat fuck dies of cardiac arrest because he has bee gobbling down McD-s for the last 10 years..I really do not care if he dies..

And you can count in other similar situations in there as well..

Unfortunately 9lives I don't think you have a say in this conversation because you're obviously not a human.

Talk about talking out of your ass... sure the only people who die of cardiac arrest are fat people, the people who die due to not being able to pay medical bills definitely deserve to suffer. You've got a big clue and your ignorant remarks simply reinforce that fact.

I wish poverty and cancer on your family and on your fucking retarded face. Let someone /you love/ die because of a treatable condition and tell me it's ok because it was for the good of the national debt.

Maybe nobody loves you, and that's why you're so bitter.

It's funny just how misrepresented the cannabis community is in the mainstream; maybe if all the squares realized that you can still be an asshole and a pothead it'd get legalized more quickly.

But then again, what good has compassion and love for our fellow man ever done for anyone? ....hmm.


I hope you find a way to take all of that gold with you when you die, you're going to need to pay somebody off in the afterlife if you stand a chance of not being fucked in the ass by the devil for all eternity. Maybe you'd like that?

Maybe you'll come back as a poor fat-girl who gets turned away at the doctor's office because your folks don't make enough money.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

This Bill is not about helping people.

If you think it is, then read all 1900 pages of it...

 

[Hydrosun]

Everything should be free, and it should never rain, and we should all have puppies...

If you don't agree with the health reform, so I am a racist??? Do you work for MSNBC?

You sir, have bought it all, hook... line... and sinker. There is no Democrat and Republican anymore.

The reason health care is expensive, is due to mal-practice insurance, and doctors doing more than necessary. There is NO person in the US that can not go to a ER, and get health care. PERIOD.

The only way Health Care will get cheaper is Tort reform.

I agree with your sentiments, but it is the third party non-producers you mention that make cost ridiculous.

If there were only patient and Dr., life would be good. Add in insurance companies, attorneys, and government bureaucrats and you have no chance for anything but failure.

To the stateists who decry throwing a NON-PRODUCER out of a hospital; you are free to pay for their care, but what gives you the right to steal from me and my neighbors to pay for those who will not PRODUCE for themselves? I'd like to think that I could use my PRODUCTION for the health of MY family; should my shelves really be bare because I had to feed YOUR chosen few?

Some animals are more equal than others I guess.

Peace,

 

[basspirate]

Everything should be free, and it should never rain, and we should all have puppies...

If you don't agree with the health reform, so I am a racist??? Do you work for MSNBC?

You sir, have bought it all, hook... line... and sinker. There is no Democrat and Republican anymore.

The reason health care is expensive, is due to mal-practice insurance, and doctors doing more than necessary. There is NO person in the US that can not go to a ER, and get health care. PERIOD.

The only way Health Care will get cheaper is Tort reform.

Sure, you can go to the ER and never pay your bill and end up costing everyone more money. Not to mention that by the time people go to the ER their symptoms are so bad that it's going to cost triple to treat them than if they could have simply been treated in the first place, or received preventative care.

Why wait til the whole house is on fire and bring out the entire fire dept. when you could have put out the kitchen fire with one can of extinguisher?

Huge unnecessary gov't spending is a problem but you need to decide what kind of person you are; one who feels a responsibility to his fellow man and one who doesn't. You can be against this bill and still support the principle of taking care of one another. This isn't a matter of wishing everyone had puppies, it's a matter of life or death for some.

We can all wish that there wasn't violence or suffering in the world and practically those things are impossible, but aren't we supposed to strive to do the best we can?

If you want to save money, keep people as healthy as possible in the first place. They earn more, spend more and burden society less.

I'm not here saying THIS particular health care bill is the answer to our country's healthcare woe's, keep in mind; I'm just disturbed by people who see no reason to worry about their fellow humans.

And I think you're right, malpractice insurance and financially ambitious, greedy fucking doctors ruin it. That's the problem with a society that chases the dollar instead of the dream.

 

[Hydrosun]

Basspirate.... Are you chasing the dream and/or growing trees?


It would be easier to get on board with your thinking if you let the world know how much you already do to bring good things into the universe.

Peace,

 

[Bobby Stainless]

I understand your point. I understand compassion.

This bill is not what that is about. It is about growing government, and further putting stress on the dollar, which will lead to hyper inflation, if not just inflation.

This is the plan for paying off debt.

If I owe someone a trillion dollars, the less the money is worth, the quicker the debt is paid. Notice we do not owe a trillion in Gold, but in the FIAT drenched dollar.

The Govenrment/Obama does not care about Americans.

 

[socbutter]

Now you are speaking out of your ass.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - but you are not entitled to your own facts. And suggesting there are massive wait times for medical care in Canada is bullshit.

I have known only one Canadian who ever sought health care in the USA -- and that wasnt because of wait times, but a belief that the brain surgeon in NYC was the best in the world. She actually had to wait longer to see this particular neurosurgeon in the USA than she would have had to wait for the operation in Canada.

The last time I attended at a doctor's office (March '09) - a walk-in clinic - for treatment, I had to wait 15 minutes. The appointment had been booked all of 90 minutes previously.

You ask Canadians if they would trade their medicare system for anything that resembles the American health care system? 98% of them will tell you to go to hell -- and not nicely. And that's a universal response from a country that can't agree on anything.

You'd think that a system that was as BAD as some nutty Americans claim it is would have people up in arms about it. The only thing Canadians would literally be up in arms about is if someone tried to take their Medicare system away. Doesn't that tell you that your doom and gloom assessment of Canada's unversal health care is, in fact, a god-damned lie?

Americans are outright loopy when it comes to this discussion. I don't anticipate that my comments will change yours at all - but I don't much care.

Fact is, the aspect of Canada's health care system that many Americans don't like is this belief that you need to call some government official first before a medical procedure is "authorized". It doesn't work that way. What a Canadian actually does is pretty simple. They go to the damn doctor. They get treated. The End. It doesn't happen. You call for authorizations from a HMO in the USA and assume every other system works that way. Well it doesn't.

But all of this is a sideshow. What opponents of univeral health care really don't like are the high taxes that come with it. You'd much rather that 30% of your population had no health care if it means that you don't have to pay higher taxes...as long as you aren't one of those 30%, that is.

Asking seven wolves and three sheep to vote on what's for dinner isn't democracy.

Thanks you for your reply. RIght on Bro

 

[basspirate]

Hey hydro, you've got a great point there, and your grow looks absolutely beautiful. Chasing the dream needs to result in something you can hold in your hands or see with your eyes. I treat everybody with as much respect as possible and give my energies to help those who ask. As my growing skills increase, you better believe that I will be spreading the love to those in need.

I think if we had quality, cheap cannabis for people it would save us a lot on the healthcare side too. Why do we need to treat innumerable conditions with synthetic meds that cost a ton of money to produce when mama nature is giving us what we need right out of the fucking ground.

If more people were actually doing anything at all to benefit one another, one selfless act per day, it'd be a way different world. Some call it idealism, but I think it's a practical truth, just one that is never likely to come to fruition.

Upon reading my previous posts, I want to remind everyone that I'm not blindly in support of this healthcare bill, or in support of it at all, but I do think that we need to look inside and see what really matters and act from there. You can despise this bill and be a completely compassionate human being. It's just sickening to see blatant disregard for those who are suffering and in need.

I mean are we aspiring to be a unified, healthy, harmonius human race or are we trying to live in an Ayn Rand novel?

 

[rootfingers]

If any of you truly want to know what the dems are trying to do with this bill and are willing to read for more than a page, I urge you to check out this article. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts960

You can wish for some other way to reform health care but the fact is congress only really addresses the idea once a generation. Last time was medicare in the 60's. Look at the numbers in that article, which sources are all cited, and ask yourself if you want to wait for your kids congress to maybe try again.

 

[Bobby Stainless]

I think we all think this way Basspirate. Unfortunately reality comes crashing through.

I know a thing or two about business, and this is bad for it. When business is good, the US does well. Charities and Alumni donations rise. People start to hire again.

One sure fire way to help a person, is to put them to work. Our unemployment has not stopped rising since he took office, Bush did his part, but he is gone. "Saved Jobs" is a un-quantifiable number.

We are experiencing a de-industrialization of America. This is bad. This health care bill is another nail in the coffin. More jobs will fly away...literally.

 

[9Lives]

I'll leave this thread with a parting thought...

''Fucking Hippies...''

 

[Bobby Stainless]

I just got note reminding me about Silver.

It is cheaper, and a good way to secure cash. This is the way I try and help people basspirate.