Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???

[crippled1]

This is a hypoaspis, see how aroung the back end there is a lighter part and a darker part and it forms a V shape.
It is eating a flour mite. I still do not know the name of the mites eating my roots but they are big trouble, my boy hypoaspis ate up to 125000 of them on day one

 

[Hemp_Star]

Where can I find Bayers in Canada?

Where can I find Bayers in Canada?

I have these lil bastards pretty bad in my bucket system. I have been reading and looking for help. TY BTW...you all are helping out this paraplegic big time!

I have been flushing the system every three days, wiping out buckets and vacuuming out lines. This type of work kills my back and makes my feet feel like they are being smashed with hammers(neuropathic pain) all night. I tried using the Microbial solution the H store gave me for fungus gnat eggs. It seems to help a bit but the buckets are littered with them still. 3 outta 10 plants are pretty much dead now. My medicine is dying

Anyone please advise. The only shit I can find here now is insecticidal soap. I am nervous to drench in that stuff...especially if it doesn't kill all stages. I just ordered Bayers off Amazon, but i am unsure if it will make it over border. Any Ideas?

Please help...I need sleep...precious sleep...

 

[crippled1]

It all depends on how far along your plants are. How much longer til harvest? Depending on how damaged your plants are, is it worth saving them?
I got this from a senior farmer on another forum, he says it works and the plants actually like it.
Use Ortho max lawn and garden at 1/10 strength and use it as a drench.
Just to clarify, are you saying you have root aphids or soil mites?
The above remedy is for soil mites, although it may work for RA also.
Sorry, I don't want to hijack the root aphid thread.
Carry on.

 

[Hemp_Star]

My plants are in veg...about 24" tall in hydro buckets. I have root aphids. Is Ortho max available in canada?

PS
I have been lurking about this forum for sometime. I was an contributor to the overgrow forum for many years under diff name . Looking forward to being part of the info exchange program you all have here.

 

[Admiral Canna]

Argh. I had root aphids like 2-3 months ago.....small problem. So I took clones and shit canned everything.

I noticed them again tonight doing some xplanting. ARGH!!!!!

First time I saw them, they were on a DWC bucket I had running. I dunked the roots in a mix of H202 and it seemed to kill them.

Now I have them in ProMix. Wonder where the fuck they came from. I don't take clones. I run a clean room.

I wonder if they ever come in soils/additives. I had a sample of GH's Ancient Forest (humus).....and I was tryin to think if I got em the same time I started using that. Not knockin it or anything.....seems like a great product. But it makes ya wonder.

Going to the grow store tomorrow to see what they got for me. ARGH these fuckers. But hey, it ain't mites.

 

[Hemp_Star]

Fuck Sakes! I just noticed that the Amazon order is going to take up to Oct 5th! Thats 3 weeks almost...What am I going to do?

Can I use "End All" as a pyrethrin soak? If so what rate?

Would anyone sell me an ounce of their so imid? I cant find shit. I dont want to order another batch..man this is killing me...

 

[RetroGrow]

Go to Home Depot or Lowes or Ace hardware to buy it. They sell it everywhere....

 

[Fat J]

OSH too - go to the hardware store in town ^^

 

[Hemp_Star]

LOL thanks guys...I live in Canada and they took all major pesticides off the shelves like last year. They only sell pyrethrin and insecticidal soap now. So any other ideas?

I ran 2 mil/g End ALL for a couple hrs. Wonder what that will do to aphids/plants...

 

[beta]

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[puff adder]

Oh Man!

I got them again! These things are evil little bugs. You think everything is going fine, and then either you catch them in time, or all of a sudden your plants up and die.

I noticed what I thought were fungus gnats flying out of the coco when I watered, not too worried though as I've always had them, but the other day I found ONE root aphid flyer. I let the pots dry in preparation for the Imid (Bayer Tree and Shrub) and went today to water and apply the Imid. Once again, I thought I had spilled coco on the floor, but it was a mass exodus of tank beetles crawling out of the holes in the pots, like a bazillion trillion kajillion (I counted).

The plants haven't skipped a beat, and still seem healthy. I flipped to 12-12 a few days ago, so I think I caught them in time. I will be adding Roots Excellerator the next few waterings to hopefully help repair any damage.

I gave an Azamax soil drench a week ago, and Azamax alone does nothing to root aphids.

I will give one more Imid application in a week, and I'll be applying another Azamax soil drench a week after that. This is what I did last time, and it worked a charm. This also seemed to deal with the fungus gnats as well.

I will be using Imid in veg now as a preventative. These bugs are serious bad juju.

 

[ShroomDr]

running perpetual certainly is making this more complicated.

I dosed the whole garden again (except the girls beyond 3 weeks in flower). Seedlings got 12.5mL/Gal of Bayer Complete (0.72% imid) without trouble. (I also foilar fed 0.5mL/qt of floramite, and 15mL/qt of Monterrey garden insect spray [spinosad].)

I just checked my vegging flood table, and i see a bunch of dead, but i just spotted 4 crawlers. I keep my used buckets of substrate adjacent to this table, so im gonna dose all of them too.

I figure the only way to break the cycle is to load up plants with enough imid to make it though flower (without needing a 'booster'), and prophylactic applications to the rest of the garden.

 

[Relentless]

dont give up.. i beat em with bayers..
pm, thrips, gnats, and root aphids down.. next up, spidermites, yay!

 

[Hemp_Star]

Ide suck some dick for an ounce of bayers... :|

 

[ShroomDr]

So I just bought a bottle of Bayer Tree and Shrub (1.47% imid) an it is also a (2-1-1) with NH4 0.4%. I was not aware it had nutrients.

FWIW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imidacloprid (I didnt quote the whole article.)

Imidacloprid is a neonicotinoid, which is a class of neuro-active insecticides modeled after nicotine. .... It is marketed as pest control, seed treatment, an insecticide spray, termite control, flea control, and a systemic insecticide.

Studies on rats indicate that the thyroid is the organ most affected by imidacloprid. Thyroid lesions occurred in male rats at a Lowest Observed Adverse Effect Level of 16.9 mg/kg/day

In France, its use (as Gaucho) has become controversial due to a possible link to derangement of behavior in domesticated honeybees... In relation to this, Germany has banned seed treatment related to neonicotinoids, in May 2008, due to negative effects upon bee colonies.


On January 26, 2005, the Federal Register notes the establishment of the '(Pesticide Tolerances for) Emergency Exemptions' for imidacloprid. It use was granted to Hawaii (for the) use (of) this pesticide on bananas(,) and the States of Minnesota, Nebraska, and North Dakota to use this pesticide on sunflower.


A chlorinated analog of nicotine, the compound therefore belongs to the class of neonicotinoid insecticides, and acts on the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor; the chlorination inhibits degradation by acetylcholinesterase. Imidacloprid is notable for its relatively low toxicity to most animals other than insects due to its specificity for this type of receptor, which is found more often in insect nervous systems and zooplankton than that of other animals (exceptions exist, earthworms and a few species of fish, for example). This potentially allows for lower concentrations (e.g., 0.05–0.125 lb/acre or 55–140 g/ha) to be used for insect control than other neurotoxins (particularly organophosphates) and enables its use in applications as diverse as flea treatments for pets, control of beetle larvae in lawns, eradication or prevention of termite infestation in buildings, and other uses where animals and people may be exposed. Imidacloprid is, for example, present as a main (or the sole) active ingredient in concentrations between five and ten percent in three out of the four most widely used flea treatment and preventative topical treatments for dogs in the United States; these manufacturers claim an effective killing persistence of at least four weeks. The compound is also used for flea treatment on cats, whose livers have only limited detoxification ability compared with dogs and humans.

Imidacloprid has low vapor pressure. The chemical breaks down to inorganic molecules by both photolysis and microbial action. Photolysis in water results in a half-life of 1.4-10 days in water, while microbial action results in a half-life of 30-150 days in water/sediment systems and 106-193 days in soil. In soil under aerobic conditions, imidacloprid exhibits moderate to very high persistence. The manufacturer maintains that, when applied according to instructions, such long-term contamination is only found as the result of "repetitive application over several years" and its spread to populations of beneficial insects is minimal. In the body, 96% of the chemical is eliminated within 48 hours; the most important degradation product in the body is 6-chloronicotinic acid, another nicotinic neurotoxin with similar properties. Imidacloprid has, however, been reported to degrade into toxic, persistent, 2-chloropyridine.

Imidacloprid is rated as "moderately toxic" acutely by the World Health Organization and the United States Environmental Protection Agency‎ (class II or III, requiring a "Warning" or "Caution" label), and a "potential" ground water contaminant. It is rated as an "unlikely" carcinogen by the EPA (group E), and is not listed for endocrine, reproductive, or developmental toxicity, or as a chemical of special concern by any agencies. It is not banned, restricted, cancelled, or illegal to import in any country. It has, however, been banned for use as a crop pesticide in France since 1999. See Pesticide toxicity to bees. Tolerances for Imidacloprid residue in food range from 0.02 mg/kg in eggs to 3.0 mg/kg in hops.

Animal toxicity is similar to that of the parent compound, nicotine exhibited as fatigue, twitching, cramps, and weakness leading to asphyxia. The oral LD50 of imidacloprid is 450 mg/kg body weight in rats and 131 mg/kg in mice; the 24-hour dermal LD50 in rats is greater than >5000 mg/kg. It is not irritating to eyes or skin in rabbits and guinea pigs (although some commercial preparations contain clay as an inert ingredient, which may be an irritant). The acute inhalation LD50 in rats was not reached at the greatest attainable concentrations, 69 milligrams per cubic meter of air as an aerosol, and 5,323 mg/m³ of air as a dust. In rats subjected to a two year feeding study, no observable effect was seen at 100 parts per million (ppm). At 300 ppm females showed decreased body weight gain and males showed increased thyroid lesions, while females showed increased thyroid lesions at 900 ppm. In a one-year feeding study in dogs, no observable effect was seen at 1,250 ppm, while levels up to 2,500 ppm led to hypercholesterolemia and elevated liver cytochrome p-450 measurements. Reproductive studies in rats resulted in no observable effect at 100 ppm and decreased pup weight at 250 ppm; developmental toxicity studies in rats showed no observable effect at 30 (mg/kg)/day and skeletal anomalies at 100 (mg/kg)/day, while in rabbits no observable effect was detected at 24 (mg/kg)/day and skeletal abnormalities at 72 (mg/kg)/day. Imidacloprid was negative for mutagenicity in 21 out of 23 different laboratory tests, but was positive for chromosomal changes in human lymphocytes and for genotoxicity in CHO cells. No carcinogenicity was seen in rats fed up to 1,800 mg/kg of imidacloprid for two years.




The most widely used applications for imidacloprid in California are pest control in structures, turf pest control, grape growing, and head and leaf lettuce growing. Other widespread crop uses are rice, grains/cereals including corn (maize), potatoes, vegetables, sugar beets, fruit, cotton, and hops. Target insects include sucking insects (e.g., aphids, whiteflies, leafhoppers and planthoppers, thrips, scales, mealybugs, bugs, psyllids, and phylloxera), beetles (e.g., longhorn beetles, leaf beetles, Colorado potato beetles, rice water-weevils, wireworms, grubs, and flea beetles), and others (e.g., lepidopterous leafminers, some diptera, termites, locusts, and fleas).

As an insecticide spray, it is used on citrus, coffee, cotton, fruits, grapes, potatoes, rice, soybeans, sugarcane, tobacco and vegetables. It is also marketed for termite control, for flea control on pets, and for household cockroach control.


...A systemic insecticide Imidacloprid is taken up by plant roots and diffuses in the plant via the xylem; its systemic properties then rely on insects ingesting the insecticide (e.g., by sucking plant fluids)...


Imidacloprid is receiving increased attention as a possible factor in colony collapse disorder, a mysterious condition that causes sudden death of honey bee populations. Mass die-offs of bees threaten pollination of food crops in the USA and Europe.

Imidacloprid is the active ingredient in Bayer's Advantage brand flea and tick drops

So like it or not, we are all probably consuming imid already.

If you give your Dog flea treatment, you are dosing them with imid, in the EXACT same way as your plants. (Id love to know the ppm in dogs from a dose of flea killer.)

 

[nvthis]

Great thread. Kinda freaked me out.. I get a few flyers caught up in a filter and always assumed it was gnats.. I grabbed a few on tape and had a look. I am no expert, but still looks like gnats to me. Whacha all think?

 

[nvthis]

Unfortunately I have been noticing a few of these crawly little fuckers around lately. Don't know what they are.. Sorry for the blur, but these things move too fast to get a descent micro shot..

 

[Albertine]

pointy butts on flyers = non aphids. Fast moving = non aphids.

 

[nvthis]

pointy butts on flyers = non aphids. Fast moving = non aphids.

Phew! Good to know.. Your are my hero, friend

 

[the gnome]

any pics available with plants that have symptoms of root aphids?

I read this on page 2:
The life cycle of this insect coincides with the leaf damage perfectly and explains why it always seems to start right around day 25 of flower like clockwork. I too have beaten myself up trying to figure out if I was doing something wrong with my nutes or ph but I use a simple nute regimen

I went 12/12 on 8-29, in the last 7 days I'm getting these leaves that are spotting like a cal-def and yellowing on my 2 AKs, now its happening to a few others in the garden?
I hit em with cal mag but its not doing anything, they should have ample nutes so I'm suspecting salt buildup and maybe a ph lockout??
now I read this...egads!