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Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???

LostTribe

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You didnt have to kill everything you should have took cuttings and washed them real quick and bagged them shut. Then you'd just have to reset. Sorry for your loss. 10% bleach solution and rinse or at very least micronized sulfur dunks on all incoming and finished rooting cuts from now on. You wont have any more bug problems.
 

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Unfortunately the fuckers are still present... I think I knocked them back but they're still around and now also doing visible damage again. What a nightmare. As I can't get my hands on any botanigard here in Europe (only option is to order from the US and then it gets way too pricey) I have found an alternative product containing Beauveria Bassiana at a fraction of the cost and will give it a try. It's a fungus and from what i've read it gets into the bugs and kills them from the inside and others have said it did the job nicely. Back shortly oh man...
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i've been fighting em too the past few months. i spray my veg plants with soap+oil+essential+hydrogenperoxide try cinnamon oil and rosemary and peppermint together with the standard teaspoon of soap and teaspoon of vegetable oil mixture you would make as a leaf wash. i add hydrogen peroxide because of its effect on living cells. i assume maybe it'll help kill the adults. since the larvae live on leaves i tried bti water (mosquito dunk) mixed into the water when im not using the hydrogen which i assume would kill the bacteria. but between that spraying all my plants in veg as near to daily as i could manage... definitely gonna have to get a 3 day streak going to start seeing any benefit, same as with spidermites... the colder weather cooling down the space, aggresive leaf removal and spraying the top of the soil also. i think i've beat them out of my grow area. theyre still present somewhere near my houseplants which dont seem to get effected in other parts of the house. but if i put a seedling or seomthing under the same light as my houseplants ill start seeing the telltale signs.

thats how im sure i ended up with them in my grow room in the first place. but yeah try spraying daily with soapy oily water. when you shake up the bottle it should be like a white colored water not too bubbly. if its bubbly, too much soap, if its oily instead of white when you shake it up then theres too much oil in the mix. when you spray your plants it should leave em a little shiny on the leaf, but not oily and greasy looking.

all else fails, most bugs die in the cold so you could try making it below 60 in your grow ...overnight at least.

im high. this is a thread about aphids i thought i read thrips for some reason lol.
i've had aphids too. same thing really except instead of essential oils i was using garlic and pepper mixed in with the standard oil+soap mix. i noticed when they were in my garden they loved my marigolds and wouldnt touch the rosemary. maybe rosemary oil?

i kept the chopped garlic and habanero in a little satchel that i kept in the sprayer. kinda like making a tea. gotta change it after about a week or its gonna get some kinda grimy from decomposing. i guess you could brew the tea part separate then add it to your sprayer.



for any kinda larvae that lives in the soil i just use mosquito dunks or let the plants dry up for a while and water from the bottom a while till they go away. those ones are easy. its the bugs that live on the plant that kill me.
 
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mr.brunch

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The new peat free composts are bad for the gnats… too much undigested plant/wood material in them.
Like a gnat magnet.
I’m glad I’ve found some peat based stuff, but a good strong circulation fan helps as it makes it hard for the little buggers to land
 

woolybear

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Ran out of coco bricks a while back, bought a pricey $11 bag of fancy fox farms pre-mixed coco, bam, no more fungus gnat issues.
 

Chevy cHaze

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Hi guys,
Quick update... as I said I sourced some product containing Beauvaria Bassiana spores in Europe and it got them good. No flyers for now, will apply once more and report back.
This is the stuff that is in Botanigard, which is hard to get here in Europe (unless shipped from the US).
 

Chevy cHaze

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It appears the Beauvaria Bassiana Fungus has killed them for good. Nothing flying around, nothing visible in the soil.
In the meantime I've harvested and broken down the grow and about to start another round. Will bleach clean and/ or exchange most equipment and re start.
I'd give any product containing BB a try if you've got root aphids you can't get rid of, there are many different pests but in my case the BB resolved it quickly while for example BTI was not having any impact and I could not control the aphids by physical means
 

NorStar Genetics

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It appears the Beauvaria Bassiana Fungus has killed them for good. Nothing flying around, nothing visible in the soil.
In the meantime I've harvested and broken down the grow and about to start another round. Will bleach clean and/ or exchange most equipment and re start.
I'd give any product containing BB a try if you've got root aphids you can't get rid of, there are many different pests but in my case the BB resolved it quickly while for example BTI was not having any impact and I could not control the aphids by physical means
That stuff works good, I use it as a spray and drench.
 

lostcalyx88

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(Imid is the same substance used in Advantage and Frontline for pets - it is based off nicotine and probably has similar toxicity. It smells like Advantage tho, and is probably not great for you. It deserves noting that yesterday I made a 3X concentration mix with Bayer Complete Insect Killer [which also has Beta-Cyfluthrin in it] and set it up to water through irrigation and the hose was loose and came off, spraying all over my face and down my torso... I immediately showered, but don't feel bad... I'll let you know)

-you'll be fine, as long as you didn't ingest any

-Botanigard was mentioned as the most effective and also SAFE non-systemic control (not a chemical so it can be used up to the day of harvest). It is two strains of fungi which attack insects I believe [anyone wanna do a report?]

-Works well only against certain life stages of root aphids.

-Bifenthrin ("Wisdom" and others) is another that is non-systemic (so it can be used without the plant holding on to it. It is supposed to be very effective and not that toxic.

-This shit is actually quite dangerous and is very toxic. It is also systemic, and breakdown actually takes almost a full year, because it doesn't easily leech out of the medium with daily watering.

-Acephate ("Orthene" etc.) was mentioned as one of the most effective instant-kills (as opposed to the imid which is more for continued control) but seems to be quite toxic (I would DEFINITELY recommend looking into it before using!!!

If you can find acephate, you're better off using that, rather than all the other chems combined. It fucks them up really good. I would compare it to a floramite for root aphids. Only drawback is that it is systemic as well and dangerous to handle.

-Acetamiprid, Gamma-cyhalothrin were also mentioned as treatments but I have not looked into them - anyone who would like to add on info about them, please?

Acetamiprid is effective for the RAphids once they're beginning to darken and get the harder exoskeleton.

Gamma Cyhalothrin is also highly effective against Root aphids. I've found it does the most damage to the overall population from the tiny newly birthed transparent fucks, all the way to the flyers.


On a side note, flyers are the easiest to kill. Any light concentration of neem oil will kill them on contact. And as far as dissolving the little youngsters......just get some insecticidal soap, and the potassium salts will eat up the little ones soft bodies. *Just be careful to not throw the ph when using insecticidal soap. it will send your PH +10.....

After long personal battles with these fucks, and helping countless others, I'm convinced that soooo many people have them, and are just ignorant of it. And they do make spider mites look like nothing.
Mate I've just gone through a my 3rd plant in last 6 months. 2 were recent. They literally went from thriving in wk 1 to 3 to wilted leaf and died within 24 hrs. And it was same started in older leaf clawing but looked like phos before they started to claw. I was in soil that has been going for a year bit longer. But had start of real heat here. I'm sure it was root aphid or fungus knats. No gnats flying around had em before. I think my situation was over watering In a medium with heavy organic matter. Which depleted oxygen and the bad guys came out to play. This first time I've dealt with this as only gone to xl containers for a better living system. I'm in process of moving back to smaller containers unless your using a bed indoors with a nice dripper system I don't think it makes life any easier to have larger pots. Maybe if u have microscope and can be sure on your biology. Love your post. Cheers
 

lostcalyx88

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You have root rot. Likely Pythium, or Fusarium. Not Root Aphids or "knats".
Yeah I'm leaning towards that. I've been using less casting and it's been a while since I've added any sort of aeration so it was staying to wet and getting the wrong critters due to still being some worms but as I don't add aeration. (Mainly I've noticed I've been over watering trying to do small watering but have been heavy handed.. transfered to smaller bots and a coco soil castings with I like to use many rock dust fulvic, amino, seaweed, gypsom potash and (phosphate, bld n bone and magnesium if needed) and fpjs aloe, Mexican marigold, canna are the main ones in use. I literally just just my first worm tea brew deadpan heads mix. Glacial (i used volcanic) rock dust, worm casting(orcompost) molasses (I used a fpj mad with aloe) fulvic acid, and seaweed and bubbled for 24hrs due to warm temps. I've got good sighns at moment. I've got we 5,3,1 in flower was the issue I didn't have it in veg.

If starts hitting the next few coming through. Can u see anything I should change ?
P.s my temps are 85to 88 due to no air on and humidity would be around 60 70 due to its been stupidly hot and need a new exhaust which is the one cooling the light. And I am getting a led the second I got the coin thanks aloe mate
 
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