Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???

[who dat is]

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it before but y'all check out Microbelift BMC for fungus gnats. It's an 8% Bti solution, waaaayyyy better than the 2% mosquito dunks. That stuff knocks them out no problem. I've used it and it smoked them, leaving me only with the root aphids still..... That being said, I've slowly and steadily been losing my fight against them. I yanked my plants out of their solo cups, busted up the root ball to make room for a layer of floor dry (Diatmoceous Earth) and mixed in with that the powdered DE. I did the same thing as a top dressing on the plants as well. I can't stop the yellowing and dropping leaves. I know that they all need to get potted up to gallon containers but I can't waste the space on plants that will die and literally don't have the room for everything. I'm about to pull the plug on all the genetics I popped in order to plant up the clone onlys to the one gallons to keep them around. (gluebreath, gg4, ogkb2.0) I would be chucking plants of Headbanger, LeeRoyTK, 24K White Gold. I'm really sad and tired of this shit. This is drawing the lifeforce out of what makes growing fun for me.

Fuck shitty cuts and fuck you you goddamn shitty person selling tainted clones on craigslist. I should have laughed in your face but was afraid of being rude.

 

[Lyfespan]

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it before but y'all check out Microbelift BMC for fungus gnats. It's an 8% Bti solution, waaaayyyy better than the 2% mosquito dunks. That stuff knocks them out no problem. I've used it and it smoked them, leaving me only with the root aphids still..... That being said, I've slowly and steadily been losing my fight against them. I yanked my plants out of their solo cups, busted up the root ball to make room for a layer of floor dry (Diatmoceous Earth) and mixed in with that the powdered DE. I did the same thing as a top dressing on the plants as well. I can't stop the yellowing and dropping leaves. I know that they all need to get potted up to gallon containers but I can't waste the space on plants that will die and literally don't have the room for everything. I'm about to pull the plug on all the genetics I popped in order to plant up the clone onlys to the one gallons to keep them around. (gluebreath, gg4, ogkb2.0) I would be chucking plants of Headbanger, LeeRoyTK, 24K White Gold. I'm really sad and tired of this shit. This is drawing the lifeforce out of what makes growing fun for me.

Fuck shitty cuts and fuck you you goddamn shitty person selling tainted clones on craigslist. I should have laughed in your face but was afraid of being rude.

Who did you check to see if the DE is spiking your medias PH? for root aphids i have been using the azamax and i dunk the hole plant while smallin 5 g buckets, then in to trays to sit for a few hours with most of the root area submerged, oh and i have been mixing drench from azamax at well over the recommended dose at 2.5 tsp per gallon, i just keep lights dimmed, i also like to hit them foliarly the following days with sns 203 also over dosed at 8-10 oz per gallon, 7 days later i do a sns 209 systemic treatment at 10-12 ml per gallon, then run a treatment 10 days later with the azamax foliarly at 2.25-2.5 oz per gallon, and this keeps my warehouse free of fliers and crawlers along with the traps, untill i forget to do treatments, then i have to battle them back into submission.

 

[who dat is]

Who did you check to see if the DE is spiking your medias PH? for root aphids i have been using the azamax and i dunk the hole plant while smallin 5 g buckets, then in to trays to sit for a few hours with most of the root area submerged, oh and i have been mixing drench from azamax at well over the recommended dose at 2.5 tsp per gallon, i just keep lights dimmed, i also like to hit them foliarly the following days with sns 203 also over dosed at 8-10 oz per gallon, 7 days later i do a sns 209 systemic treatment at 10-12 ml per gallon, then run a treatment 10 days later with the azamax foliarly at 2.25-2.5 oz per gallon, and this keeps my warehouse free of fliers and crawlers along with the traps, untill i forget to do treatments, then i have to battle them back into submission.

That's pretty much just glorified neem oil. I'm hoping to completely eradicate, not just keep them at bay. Next up I just have to bite the bullet and get back on the orthene + riptide combo. I just don't know if I can completely get rid of them with my crawlspace set up down there. ;_;

 

[Lyfespan]

That's pretty much just glorified neem oil. I'm hoping to completely eradicate, not just keep them at bay. Next up I just have to bite the bullet and get back on the orthene + riptide combo. I just don't know if I can completely get rid of them with my crawlspace set up down there. ;_;

atomizing fogger

 

[Granger2]

You CAN get rid of them completely if you are persistent. Check the latest 10 or so pages for my posts in this thread. You can do it organically even, but you have to be persistent. Area sprays are essential, 1st month. After the first month, it's not hard, but you need to keep at it for months. Good luck. -granger

 

[StankyBeamer]

Just a little bump, my gnat situation wasn't solved completely by spraying soil with pyrethrin and permethrin and soap, because I was avoiding the piperonyl butioxide in flower. Released 25,000 hypoapsis in the flower room and then did a full 30 minute drench on the veg room with 5ml/gallon pyrethrin and a light dose of insecticidal soap, it's been about eight days no fliers or larvae seen. But when the gnats moved out, the fruit flies moved in. My ocd just cannot win

 

[Medium Pimpin']

I never had luck with bti when it comes to getting rid of fg's
The ONLY thing that worked for me was neem.
Neem meal in my mix,
Neem/aloe/Si foliars.

These gnats kicked the shit out of me and my grow for along time!
I'll find a random flier every once in a blue, but oodles better here now.

 

[Sluicebox]

Deleted this one as it was full of profanities and offered nothing to the thread, sorry to anyone offended by it. Hey someone just told me to get something called fras. Anyone used that? Mix on top and water in. Is that like a mosquito dunk?

 

[Granger2]

Insect Frass= Insect manure uncomposted. May help, but nasty. -granger

 

[StankyBeamer]

I just got flamed on instagram for recommending someone don't bring worm castings in from outside because of possibly bringing in root aphids. I was answered with dozens of," if you knew what ipm was you'd never have problems with aphids even if they got in", and, "aphids are easy, only ignorant people struggle with them", and my favorite, "all you need is neem bro". Hahaha never taking clones from anyone but genotype and senior members again, fucking idiots this world is full of I swear.

 

[thesloppy]

I just finished a nearly year long bugpocalypse. At first i thought I had fungus gnats, but only after unsuccessfully battling them for months did I figure out they were root aphids....and man, did they beat my ass down.

They pretty much forced me to forget everything I thought I knew about growing, and re-think my entire (tiny closet) system, because it took me a while to figure out I even had them, and I was getting frustrated and confused by the apparent deficiencies that I first fucked up all my nutrient formulas trying to fix damage that was being done by bugs, and then further fucked everything up, once I figured out I had bugs, with successive 'miracle cures'. I worked through everybody else's surefire cures with little to no success, one at a time, which contributed to why it took so goddamn long.

I tried dichotomous earth, sand, dish soap, insectidal soap, sticky traps, peroxide drenches, mosquito dunks, neem oil, and Azamax, all with varying levels of failure/success, but never coming close to actually stopping the buggy bitches.

Finally I had success with a combination of Imidacloprid (Compare-N-Save is $10 at Amazon) in water/rez for 24 hours @ 5ml per gallon. Then I dunked everybody in a Dawn dish soap drench (75ml per gallon of water, completely submerging all roots for 10 minutes), then rinsed/flushed everybody thoroughly. Finally, I ran some low level ozone in the room for an hour four a couple days straight, and continue to do so at about a half hour every week after I clean my room, for sterilization purposes. The plants were NOT happy with this regimen, as they weren't eating much but Imid, soap, and water for days, they took pretty much a full month to recover, and I lost one (out of about 20 bonsai moms...I had scrapped my flowering plants before treatment, as I didn't want to smoke Imid/soap/Azamax/etc.). I'm not sure if each step was necessary, or if it was a bit of overkill, but in the end that combined regimen appeared to kill everything & clear things up completely (knock on particle board).

It's been a month, and I've been digging through various roots/hydroton/coco looking for bugs everyday. I've got yellow sticky traps up in each of my 3 chambers which have remained completely clean for over a week now. My DWC buckets have white abundant roots flowing again, rather than dead slimy crap, plants are starting to flower without buggy deficiencies, and everything looks proper for the first time in almost a year.

 

[Weezard]

"I tried dichotomous earth, sand, dish soap, insectidal soap, sticky traps, peroxide drenches, mosquito dunks, neem oil, and Azamax, all with varying levels of failure/success, but never coming close to actually stopping the buggy bitches."

Looks like you tried everything but the Kirkland dryer sheets.
So did I.
Could have saved a lot of trouble my friend.
It's not too late to use the dryer sheets to keep your grow clean.
It's all I use for gnats and RAs.
Been squeaky clean for 3 years now, indoors and out.

Aloha,
Weeze

 

[StankyBeamer]

"I tried dichotomous earth, sand, dish soap, insectidal soap, sticky traps, peroxide drenches, mosquito dunks, neem oil, and Azamax, all with varying levels of failure/success, but never coming close to actually stopping the buggy bitches."

Looks like you tried everything but the Kirkland dryer sheets.
So did I.
Could have saved a lot of trouble my friend.
It's not too late to use the dryer sheets to keep your grow clean.
It's all I use for gnats and RAs.
Been squeaky clean for 3 years now, indoors and out.

Aloha,
Weeze

Care to elaborate? I knew dryer sheets worked well for keeping mosquitos away at the disc golf coarse, didn't know they could get rid of aphids and gnats. But my grow is in my basement right next to my laundry room, which has dryer sheets, haven't noticed a repellent effect yet

 

[thesloppy]

Looks like you tried everything but the Kirkland dryer sheets.
So did I.
Could have saved a lot of trouble my friend.
It's not too late to use the dryer sheets to keep your grow clean.
It's all I use for gnats and RAs.
Been squeaky clean for 3 years now, indoors and out.

Aloha,
Weeze[/COLOR]

That's one I hadn't heard of yet....sounds cheap & available enough, is there any reason you mention the Kirkland brand specifically, or will any do?

 

[mojave green]

That's one I hadn't heard of yet....sounds cheap & available enough, is there any reason you mention the Kirkland brand specifically, or will any do?

Curious as well.
Weeze?

 

[Sluicebox]

Kirkland dryer sheets? I pray that is the answer. I have heard of folks who are anal about spiders using dryer sheets all over their house and NO SPIDERS! Maybe dude is right? Be nice if he gets back in here to clear that up. Could you imagine? I just dropped $50 on frass and another bottle of go gnats about an hour ago. Then went to Costco on way home, would have grabbed some sheets had I known. Be going in tomorrow though count on it. Caution these are pretty flammable so don't hang them near your lights.

 

[StankyBeamer]

I'm gonna scatter them on the floor around the corners of the room, just for shits and giggles. Don't have aphids, but it couldn't hurt to keep it that way

 

[Sluicebox]

Weezard has been claiming this works since at least 2011. He had a thread going somewhere else on it. Other folks took his advice and all reported great success. Keeps spider mites at bay as well. Sure he'll elaborate for us. Dryer sheets, gonna wrap my mommies up like mummys lol.

 

[Dr.King]

I'm gonna scatter them on the floor around the corners of the room, just for shits and giggles. Don't have aphids, but it couldn't hurt to keep it that way

Quick question. I know you stated you used sand without success. The photos you posted at the beginning of this thread are suppose to have sand on them? Or was that before you added any? Just thought I would ask.

The dryer sheets sound like a fun way to go about keeping other bugs at bay. Glad to know. I too hope Weezard drops back in with more knowledge.

 

[Weezard]

That's one I hadn't heard of yet....sounds cheap & available enough, is there any reason you mention the Kirkland brand specifically, or will any do?

I use the Kirkland unscented because Bounce sheets reek!
The perfume that they add is offensive to me and is not needed.
It's the surfactants that bollix the flyers.

And the fine weave prevents egg laying and flyer hatching.
It's a snap for me, because I use square containers. One sheet covers my mid sizes pots, 2 sheets handle the big pots, and I fold them to fit the small pots. Just tear a slot and pull it around the stem and it's done.

(They only tear in one direction)

Water will pass through them, but I'm not sure that it does not wash out the surfactants so I lift them up to water.
Been using them since 2011 and have no FGs or RAs even outdoors, in the tropics.

Mind you, I started with sterilized soil and just used the sheets to keep it clean. I doubt if they will fix a serious infestation, but I know that they will prevent one.
They also repel Meat bees, (yellowjackets), and German Cockroaches.
Nothing lasts forever, so change them about once a month.
They are not effective against whitefly, however I have recently found something that is.
But, that's a different thread.

Aloha Ya'll.

Wee