thanks for the heads up MM,
I've seen the info posted in this thread a million times
and when I need it it disappears lol
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Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???
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thanks for the heads up MM,
I've seen the info posted in this thread a million times
and when I need it it disappears lol
Nice thanks for the advice. Think im gonna do a bti product, get some sticky traps, and also throw some hypoaspis miles at em, just cuz I love predator mites. Hope they dont beef with the cucumeris that have apparently made a home in my soil... I really thought when I threw em down there they would migrate up to the foliage, but I was clearly mistaken...
RedBeardy5
Active member
So does anyone know that used Orthene when the stuff stops being phototoxic? I used it on two of my flowering rooms at 3grams a gallon. One room got so burnt I trashed them. The other is manageable, but it's been 7 days and the burning is still present. The aphids are completely gone but The Orthene damaged my girls more than the actual aphids. When does this burning stop?
Anyone battling these should go the ogbiowar route. I used it on some of the plants in veg and it eliminated them completely, I just wish I never used this Orthene.
Anyone battling these should go the ogbiowar route. I used it on some of the plants in veg and it eliminated them completely, I just wish I never used this Orthene.
Persiankid
New member
Wow... this thread is awesome. Thank you to all of you for all of this info... Especially you Eclipse i've been reading your posts quite a bit today.
After 5 years of being RA free I found the little fuckers lurking in my garden today. Big fat preggo bitches and their satan spawn chewing on my roots.... Fuck. luckily they're only in my veg room. I want to go full blast fucking nuclear on these assholes...
I use rockwool cubes for cloning and I found the RA's on the bottom of the cubes munching my brand new pearly white roots. I usually go from rockwool cube to a 6 inch pot of coco then into coco beds. This time around I decided to try my veg with 4x4x4 RW cubes instead.. took a look at those and they are also infested... My mothers are in the same room planted in peat, most of them in 10 gallon pots and few in fives and some newbies that are still in 1 gallon pots... I checked all of the them and I didn't find any signs of infestation...nonetheless with how close they are to the infected plants... I'm sure they've picked up some deuchbags and I'm going to treat them as well anyways.
The last time i had them was a little over 5 years ago. I noticed them on the bottom of my 4x4x4 cubes and had no clue what they were.. did some research (apparently not enough after learning more about Imid's half life) and nuked them with Bayer Tree and Shrub.... It killed them all, I watched them flush out of the bottom of my rockwool and was amazed at how many there were.. I don't want to use the Imid option if there is another nuke that has a shorter half life....The Orthene\Riptide combo sounds like it would work but I have a few questions I was hoping to figure out...
1. Has anyone used the orthene\riptide method on Rockwool?
2. Is there anything you need to do differently when mixing the cocktail for coco/peat/rw?
3. Do you have to dunk the plants or can you just drench for larger containers/beds?
4. Other than the Biowar... what other preventative methods do you guys like to use?
After 5 years of being RA free I found the little fuckers lurking in my garden today. Big fat preggo bitches and their satan spawn chewing on my roots.... Fuck. luckily they're only in my veg room. I want to go full blast fucking nuclear on these assholes...
I use rockwool cubes for cloning and I found the RA's on the bottom of the cubes munching my brand new pearly white roots. I usually go from rockwool cube to a 6 inch pot of coco then into coco beds. This time around I decided to try my veg with 4x4x4 RW cubes instead.. took a look at those and they are also infested... My mothers are in the same room planted in peat, most of them in 10 gallon pots and few in fives and some newbies that are still in 1 gallon pots... I checked all of the them and I didn't find any signs of infestation...nonetheless with how close they are to the infected plants... I'm sure they've picked up some deuchbags and I'm going to treat them as well anyways.
The last time i had them was a little over 5 years ago. I noticed them on the bottom of my 4x4x4 cubes and had no clue what they were.. did some research (apparently not enough after learning more about Imid's half life) and nuked them with Bayer Tree and Shrub.... It killed them all, I watched them flush out of the bottom of my rockwool and was amazed at how many there were.. I don't want to use the Imid option if there is another nuke that has a shorter half life....The Orthene\Riptide combo sounds like it would work but I have a few questions I was hoping to figure out...
1. Has anyone used the orthene\riptide method on Rockwool?
2. Is there anything you need to do differently when mixing the cocktail for coco/peat/rw?
3. Do you have to dunk the plants or can you just drench for larger containers/beds?
4. Other than the Biowar... what other preventative methods do you guys like to use?
dont use on mediums containing high alkalinity components. soil was a kill of of plants while those weird tree plugs were fine. saw someone suggest using a reduced rate on soil. i had sourced plants from several folks and dunked them all to make a mom room. 30% died another third barely lived. the rest seemed ok.
major differences were rockwool vs brown plugs
soil vs none.
also the earlier arguments in this thread on wether othene would kill your plants were between a coco grower and a soil grower. i read the msds sheat and it held the answer.
it rapidly degrades and off gasses nitrogen sulfer etc when it comes in contact with high alkaline substances,
that answered my question right about the time i never ever had root aphids again.
LightItUpChris
New member
These root aphids are really kicking my ass in week 5 flower. I have used Bayer Complete in week 2 flower after noticing them. I did'nt want to but it was in a vain attempt to save my family's medical crop.
Now I am in week 5 flower and about 10 % of the plants have gotten much worse. With a few looking like they are going to compleltey die. and very possibly move to the who garden. Bummer.
I have resorted to spreying the bases of each plant every couple days with Bontanigard in the hopes that willl give it some resistance to try and make it.
Hopefullly they will. I know that it is not that they are being brought in from outside clones, the problem is that they are every where in out side the house. It is summer time here and during the summer they swarm and I mean swarm outside the house during the morning and evening. I have resorted to double filtering the smalll amount of fresh passive air from outside. As well as spreying home depot bought bug killer for all around the house.
In the past I have used, Bayer-Fruit and Citrus, Bayer- Complete, Botanigard, Mallet. Bottom line is I believe that imid has lost its effectivness, and I am hopeing to find something that will work
I am posting this to let others know that they are not in this fight alone. I will keep fighting, and reading and fighting.
Now I am in week 5 flower and about 10 % of the plants have gotten much worse. With a few looking like they are going to compleltey die. and very possibly move to the who garden. Bummer.
I have resorted to spreying the bases of each plant every couple days with Bontanigard in the hopes that willl give it some resistance to try and make it.
Hopefullly they will. I know that it is not that they are being brought in from outside clones, the problem is that they are every where in out side the house. It is summer time here and during the summer they swarm and I mean swarm outside the house during the morning and evening. I have resorted to double filtering the smalll amount of fresh passive air from outside. As well as spreying home depot bought bug killer for all around the house.
In the past I have used, Bayer-Fruit and Citrus, Bayer- Complete, Botanigard, Mallet. Bottom line is I believe that imid has lost its effectivness, and I am hopeing to find something that will work
I am posting this to let others know that they are not in this fight alone. I will keep fighting, and reading and fighting.
"4. Other than the Biowar... what other preventative methods do you guys like to use? "
I use a repellent/barrier on the soil surface to prevent flyers from laying eggs in the first place and to break up their life cycle.
Dirt cheap Kirkland dryer sheets have chemical surfactants that are harmless to plants and animals but repel bugs that hunt by scent. (Root aphids, Fungus gnats, mosquitoes)
Lay them on the soil surface, change once a month, then put a strip of "painter's tape" around the base of the stalk and smear it with tanglefoot to stop the climbers.
So far, it has worked a treat for me.
Has me RA free, even outdoors.
Aloha,
Weeze
I use a repellent/barrier on the soil surface to prevent flyers from laying eggs in the first place and to break up their life cycle.
Dirt cheap Kirkland dryer sheets have chemical surfactants that are harmless to plants and animals but repel bugs that hunt by scent. (Root aphids, Fungus gnats, mosquitoes)
Lay them on the soil surface, change once a month, then put a strip of "painter's tape" around the base of the stalk and smear it with tanglefoot to stop the climbers.
So far, it has worked a treat for me.
Has me RA free, even outdoors.
Aloha,
Weeze
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
Orthene ended up burning my leaves significantly too. I noticed some out of the main light canopy were in a lot better shape. If I used it again, id reduce the strength, back off the lights for a few days, n flush them really good the next day after treatment.
Shouldn't really use orthene in flower imo. Maybe the first week or two.
Systemic means plant absorbs and it stays in plant, no?
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
Not forever, gotta figure in the half life, n test to see if there is traces left in the plant after harvest for verification. Like orthenes half life is around a week, while imids might be as much as a couple hundred days. that's just an example, n not the actual half lives.
LightItUpChris
New member
"weezard"
cool idea, and creative thanks for posting
cool idea, and creative thanks for posting
RedBeardy5
Active member
Well luckly my girls recovered and new growth started about 10 days after the Orthene dip. My other veg rooms went to shit. While they are coming back this method can set you back about 2 weeks to a month. It seems like the plants are starting over growing roots.
There are several organic remedies for RAs, and several of those do a great job on the RAs, but also on the roots, many of which are damaged anyway. Cedarcide PCO Choice will kill [I'm betting] 100% of the RAs of any and all stages. I no longer use it as a drench because it causes pretty bad root damage and survivors will take 2 weeks to a month to be vigorously healthy again.
UConnAg did drench tests on RAs in containers, trialing a bunch of things from Imid to Ins. Soap [not Cedarcide]. They concluded that Insecticide Soap [full strength 5 Tbl/gal-no dish liq.] did the best job and also carried away the waxy white beads that RAs leave behind that slows healing. Alas, serious root damage. I've used used a 30 min soak, then 2 hours later, flushed with water till runoff is no longer soapy. This mitigated the pain, and took *less* time for recovery.
Thru all the shit I've tried [all organic], I'm happy to say that I haven't seen any evidence of RAs in over a year. They cost me a lot of money, time, and teeth grinding, the little bastards. But all that is now just a blurring memory.
OGBiowar saved the day. Used religiously for over a year [for good measure], they just faded away. Started with a thorough 30-40 min soak in 4 tsp/gal each of OGBW Root and Foliar. Then, watered with plenty of runoff with same weekly for a month. After that every 14 days for many months. Maybe wasteful, but I wasn't taking any chances. I always hit new medium with it. Now I do once a month. Happy again. -granger
UConnAg did drench tests on RAs in containers, trialing a bunch of things from Imid to Ins. Soap [not Cedarcide]. They concluded that Insecticide Soap [full strength 5 Tbl/gal-no dish liq.] did the best job and also carried away the waxy white beads that RAs leave behind that slows healing. Alas, serious root damage. I've used used a 30 min soak, then 2 hours later, flushed with water till runoff is no longer soapy. This mitigated the pain, and took *less* time for recovery.
Thru all the shit I've tried [all organic], I'm happy to say that I haven't seen any evidence of RAs in over a year. They cost me a lot of money, time, and teeth grinding, the little bastards. But all that is now just a blurring memory.
OGBiowar saved the day. Used religiously for over a year [for good measure], they just faded away. Started with a thorough 30-40 min soak in 4 tsp/gal each of OGBW Root and Foliar. Then, watered with plenty of runoff with same weekly for a month. After that every 14 days for many months. Maybe wasteful, but I wasn't taking any chances. I always hit new medium with it. Now I do once a month. Happy again. -granger
RedBeardy5
Active member
Yeah I'm going crazy with the ogbiowar teas right now. They are gone but like yourself I can't afford to loose another crop. I'll have to try the soap your mentioning.
RedBeardy5
Active member
No I mean if I get another infestation lol.
kiefchief109
Member
Do I Have root aphids? ***Video Link***
Do I Have root aphids? ***Video Link***
Recently I noticed a group of clones taking way too long to grow out of their cups. I saw sickly roots and scoped some white crawlies moving around that weren't springtails. I took a 5 second video of one of them with my digital microscope. I'm praying that I'm wrong and its some other kind of bug because I also noticed fungus gnats were present. The medium is coco,perlite and amended with earthworm castings.http://youtu.be/OcrXcce8ywE
Do I Have root aphids? ***Video Link***
Recently I noticed a group of clones taking way too long to grow out of their cups. I saw sickly roots and scoped some white crawlies moving around that weren't springtails. I took a 5 second video of one of them with my digital microscope. I'm praying that I'm wrong and its some other kind of bug because I also noticed fungus gnats were present. The medium is coco,perlite and amended with earthworm castings.http://youtu.be/OcrXcce8ywE
