Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???

[Tonatiuh]

hey everyone....was hoping i could get a yes or a no on some pics that may or may not be root aphid damage...

1st off ill give u some background info.

i been going thru a time for the last 6 months...city water went bad,had to install an r.o unit and am still kind of dialing it in i think.

had some terrible runs after literally years of flawless harvests.
figured out it was the water.got a r.o unit...started adding cal mag to my mix every feed and water like ive read i was supposed to w r.o water.
using the k.i.s.s. method with maxibloom and koolbloom i THINK i had no need for the c/m as my base nutes i think have enough in them where i was doing more damage then good.....my veg room is awesome,thriving pretty much.have one mama that looks a tad burnt but other then that they are good.
flipped a set like 8 days ago and they have this weird cal/mag thing going on.
hoping i can chalk it up to not needing to add cal mag....hoping.

i seen one thing crawling in my soil,one time...i look at it thru a scope regularly and cant find anymore at all...also i THINK i saw what was a larva in soil one time but i read that R.A arent born as larva they are whole at birth???
so i was glad about that...i think...
i have pics of flyers on a blue sticky trap but to me they all look like gnats...
was hoping i could get some answers from you guys with more knowledge then myself on this subject.
any questions just ask...i need to get this off my mind with either a yes or a no so i can take action.
ive already been treating as if they are r.a,i DID see something a couple times like i said.
so far ive foliared veg with acephate,then i drenched them with imid a couple days later.
a few days after that i hit them w a foliar of avid...also i hit them w azamax a couple weeks back.
i will order the ogbiowar for flower if i need to,might get some just to have on hand.
i seen a thread where that stuff destroyed a colony of them...

pics...

1st the sticky traps...

veg

a couple plants have this...

 

[Tonatiuh]

continued...

these shots are what im hoping are cal/mag issues from adding it when not needed...

on a mama

flipped this set about 10 days ago...again hoping just cal/mag bs

now have some of this happening...

 

[Tonatiuh]

continued...

whole plant shot,was flipped 10 days ago,took it out to get a decent shot w out the hps...

see whats happening to a couple leaves?

thanks in advance IC community...really hoping u guys tell me i was fuckin them up with the cal/mag i cant handle another 6 months w sub par crops...btw this happened to the oldest fans,not any new growth has this happening....and the other strain in this same set shows no bad signs at as of now...

peace-T-

 

[Tonatiuh]

also...
whats the potato test please?

thanks.
peace-T-

 

[eebbnflow]

hey everyone....was hoping i could get a yes or a no on some pics that may or may not be root aphid damage...

1st off ill give u some background info.

i been going thru a time for the last 6 months...city water went bad,had to install an r.o unit and am still kind of dialing it in i think.

had some terrible runs after literally years of flawless harvests.
figured out it was the water.got a r.o unit...started adding cal mag to my mix every feed and water like ive read i was supposed to w r.o water.
using the k.i.s.s. method with maxibloom and koolbloom i THINK i had no need for the c/m as my base nutes i think have enough in them where i was doing more damage then good.....my veg room is awesome,thriving pretty much.have one mama that looks a tad burnt but other then that they are good.
flipped a set like 8 days ago and they have this weird cal/mag thing going on.
hoping i can chalk it up to not needing to add cal mag....hoping.

i seen one thing crawling in my soil,one time...i look at it thru a scope regularly and cant find anymore at all...also i THINK i saw what was a larva in soil one time but i read that R.A arent born as larva they are whole at birth???
so i was glad about that...i think...
i have pics of flyers on a blue sticky trap but to me they all look like gnats...
was hoping i could get some answers from you guys with more knowledge then myself on this subject.
any questions just ask...i need to get this off my mind with either a yes or a no so i can take action.
ive already been treating as if they are r.a,i DID see something a couple times like i said.
so far ive foliared veg with acephate,then i drenched them with imid a couple days later.
a few days after that i hit them w a foliar of avid...also i hit them w azamax a couple weeks back.
i will order the ogbiowar for flower if i need to,might get some just to have on hand.
i seen a thread where that stuff destroyed a colony of them...

Hi im going through the same deal in hydro . your sticky traps look like mine . same flyers, appear the same to what I had . after ive knocked out all the flyers health has improved , then slowly I saw claw nd a twist with a leaf . after examining some of the poor looking roots I noticed what I think is root aphids . your flyers on your traps to me look like Gnats but I have no personal Exp other than internet photos ive looked at . im convinced I had gnat then RA to follow or even both at the same time .

 

[eebbnflow]

you can examine roots like I did with a minimum 100x loupe. hard to find but if they're there you'll see them crawling around

 

[Corpsey]

Those flyers look like fungus gnats.

 

[Mikell]

Potato test - lay or press a slice of potato in to the top of the soil. Wait at least one hour, examine and observe/document/ID any bugs present. I'm not even sure how it works though

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

Potato test - lay or press a slice of potato in to the top of the soil. Wait at least one hour, examine and observe/document/ID any bugs present. I'm not even sure how it works though

its simple really. all living things have a frequency. certain pathogens can be eliminated by harnessing their their kryptonitic frequency, turns out all plant pathogens are communicating with all non macrobiotics foods. so the potatoes are actually calling the aphids. you can disrupt this if you put compost in a bulls horn on the full moon and bury it. then sprinkle on your plants. be careful i dont know how it will affect human parasites in your own body.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

its essentially a giant open root sore. i bet its irresistable to root munching critters. just a guess.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Ton, inspect your soil for crawling critters (15x glass is sufficient). Usually there is a boost of RA activity within a few minutes after watering--both surface (top 1") and in the bottom (drain holes). Don't confuse them with Hypoaspis Miles (fungus gnat eaters) but they are about the same size and RAs have distinctive ridges/hairs on their back.

Or take your worst plant--the one that is most affected, and look at the rootball--they will be munching on the roots/root hairs. Good eyes, bright light and 15x loupes/magnifier is all you really need to identify RAs. As to identifying fliers, you have to examine the thorax--which takes a bit of effort and for us "novices" it may not be too definitive.

 

[Mikell]

its simple really. all living things have a frequency. certain pathogens can be eliminated by harnessing their their kryptonitic frequency, turns out all plant pathogens are communicating with all non macrobiotics foods. so the potatoes are actually calling the aphids. you can disrupt this if you put compost in a bulls horn on the full moon and bury it. then sprinkle on your plants. be careful i dont know how it will affect human parasites in your own body.

its essentially a giant open root sore. i bet its irresistable to root munching critters. just a guess.

I'll take "Sounds much less crazy" for 400, Trebec

Pulling your leg. Not sure how serious you are with the first one, I know nothing about biodynamics. I am however, a wise ass.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Tonatiuh,

On cal mag. Imo, its not needed at all since ur using a quality nutrient that has been designed with the right ratios of it already. cal/mag is a bandaid treatment for a symptom that people cant figure out that is induced by environment, watering issues, bug issues, or ph issues. that's where the calmag problem lies im quite positive on this.

Now for the fliers, to me they look like FG's, and im about 95% sure of that. When they get to cause that much pressure on the plants, There are tons of larvae eating roots, inviting pythium, fusarium, verticilium, etc... then comes nutrient deficiencies because of the root damage not being able to take the appropriate amount of nutrients to support the foliage.

Not saying u don't have RA, just they seem to be pretty easy to see since u only need a 15x scope to see them.

U need to completely eradicate the FG fliers and larvae, then all new plants with non damaged roots will grow like normal. Plants that have root damage already may never fully recover since they have been exposed and may harbor one of the nasty root diseases I mentioned earlier.

 

[TheOutlawTree]

Tonatiuh.... Those are a few of the same symptoms I was getting before I realized I had RA's.

Then again if your not treating for aphids and your plants look that nice in early flower.... you probably don't have them and it may just be FG's.

Does anyone know the answer to my question?

 

[TheOutlawTree]

Does anybody know if SNS-203, or Cedar based Insecticides will kill the met-52 fungus?

Ive got some beautiful girls in vegg and im about to transplant into 4g smart pots coco/perlite and met-52. Im not going to count on the met-52 as a solo preventitive as I can not afford another bad run. I just don't want it going to waste if those other root drenches will kill the fungus.

Ive been able to veg nice healthy plants again with the help of Imidacloprid, botaniguard, sns-203, and GoGnats.

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Does anybody know if SNS-203, or Cedar based Insecticides will kill the met-52 fungus?

Ive got some beautiful girls in vegg and im about to transplant into 4g smart pots coco/perlite and met-52. Im not going to count on the met-52 as a solo preventitive as I can not afford another bad run. I just don't want it going to waste if those other root drenches will kill the fungus.

Ive been able to veg nice healthy plants again with the help of Imidacloprid, botaniguard, sns-203, and GoGnats.

I see ur in cali, why not just call the people that make the met52, they would give u an honest answer, so not to make their product ineffective.

My guess is no though. I just cant see how some natural oils, and herb extracts are going to mess with a fungus. those oil products are designed to be undesirable to bugs, and mess with their reproduction cycle.

 

[Tonatiuh]

did the potato test in both rooms...all 10 slices from the pots i put them in came up clean.
left them sit for an hour checked,was clean,let them sit another hour and they were still clean.
thats a big relief.
guess ill eradicate the fungus gnats and keep it movin.
still will treat soil for any FG larva and get rid of it too.
ogbiowar will work for them?
peace-T-

 

[Miraculous Meds]

did the potato test in both rooms...all 10 slices from the pots i put them in came up clean.
left them sit for an hour checked,was clean,let them sit another hour and they were still clean.
thats a big relief.
guess ill eradicate the fungus gnats and keep it movin.
still will treat soil for any FG larva and get rid of it too.
ogbiowar will work for them?
peace-T-

I haven't used the ogbiowar but I keep hearing good things about it. I used liquid bti, then bti bits mixed in the medium, and sm90. I did the potato test overnight and found soil mites the next day. They are much smaller than RA I believe.

 

[Tonatiuh]

so you dont think 2 hours was long enough?
i was told an hour would be long enough.
dont tell me i have to slice up another potato again?


peace -T-

 

[Miraculous Meds]

so you dont think 2 hours was long enough?
i was told an hour would be long enough.
dont tell me i have to slice up another potato again?


peace -T-

No im not an expert on the test, just sharing what I did. If u got that info from a reputable person then im sure u are correct.