Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
Those look like FG's and H. miles soil mites to me.
-
ICMag with help from Landrace Warden and The Vault is running a NEW contest in November! You can check it here. Prizes are seeds & forum premium access. Come join in!
Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???
- Thread starter spleebale
- Start date
Those look like FG's and H. miles soil mites to me.
Fliers are mature RAs...the easiest way to identify the lil bastards is in their "aphid" form. Soil inspection is the easiest. Inspection via drain holes, scoop out a few inches of soil with a spoon, look for racers running around the lip/rim after watering (may take a minute or two for everyone to "start your engines"), and more importantly--it has been my experience that if you have RAs...then there is a 90% chance you also have Fungus Gnats (they seem to go hand in hand--like stink on shit). But not the other way around...you can have FGs and have zero RAs. Most people (including this old fart) find it difficult to determine via their thorax which flyers are RAs and which are FGs...but easier to identify the tell tale ridges on the back of the crawlers.
T
Terps
Thats what i thought also but these mites are incredibly small, not visible to the eye but maybe they're juvenile H.miles. here an adult i captured around the pot edge that is visible by eye.
T
Terps
I thought that root aphids aren't fast movers in aphid form and those "racers" are predator mites? Either way i'll do the potato test today and see if that reveals more.
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
Those are good pics. I don't see any tail pipes, but it looks like only 6 legs? They still look like soil mites to me. I guess there is a lot of different kinds of soil mites. And im 95% sure those fliers are FG's. Dead ringers for the pic of FG in the first post.
Id treat for the FG, and keep a diligent eye on the situation.
On another note..... My entire room looks like shit. All the plants are yellowing like mad. Right up to the leaves in the buds on some branches. Damage started from the bottom up on all the plants.
The interesting thing I noticed is.... The only plant that is completely green and happy is a GG4 that is completely seeded from top to bottom. Then there is a Wifi in the corner. I pollinated one lower branch on this large plant... and guess what, that branch is completely green and healthy also, while every other branch around it is severely yellowing.
Is there something to this? Or all coincidental?
Sounds to me like either you were very late in application and the roots are still not ready to take up nutes. My second guess would be the chems you used hurt the root system. Sorry I can't be up here all the time but I will post my opinion here on this thead too. After several attempts with crazy solutions I found that "BoninaGard WP22 at 2tsp per gallon weekly drench has all but eliminated the problem" of root aphids within about three weeks.. I had tried several other options until I talked to my guru and he sent me to the WP. I even tried Bayer on two babies which worked (not as well as the wp in the longrun) but now of course I can't use those babies for anything. Anyway, the WP doesn't hurt your root system, it's very effective, and it's completely non-systemic... Please folks, before you try a lot of crazy shit, try the WP22.. it worked for us, no if's ands, or buts and from what I can tell, the babies actually loved it.... not like some of the other options I am reading here....
Mr. Grimbo
Mr. Grimbo
Bad Habits
Member
okay so my buddy has been battling RAs for a few years now in his warehouse... he's finally said fuk it and is tearing everything down and starting brand new.
Anyways, he has a ton of nutes, probably like a grand worth, that he was gonna toss because he just wants to start with new everything.
So my question is - is there any chance there could be RAs inside the nute containers? I know he uses his drill paint mixer attachment in some of them...
IF I were to buy new containers and empty the old nutes into the new containers, what would be the chances of potentially having some in there? It'd be a shame to see many nutes go to waste...
Anyways, he has a ton of nutes, probably like a grand worth, that he was gonna toss because he just wants to start with new everything.
So my question is - is there any chance there could be RAs inside the nute containers? I know he uses his drill paint mixer attachment in some of them...
IF I were to buy new containers and empty the old nutes into the new containers, what would be the chances of potentially having some in there? It'd be a shame to see many nutes go to waste...
StankyBeamer
Professional A$$hole
i would just steam clean all your nutrient bottles or dunk the closed sealed bottles in bleach water. a warehouse worth of nutes is some serious coin, and i doubt if an aphid is seriously hibernating floating in a bottle of nutrients, it would probably drown, or run out of oxygen at some point. im in the same boat and i just plan on cleaning all my bottles and trashing all of my non-liquid nutes
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
Id say its next to impossible for a bug to survive that salt concentration. imo just wash the outside with some bleach water.
you guys just need to wash them off with hot ass soapy water. theres no way any bugs live i your stock solution ot buckets of salt. thats way less than possible. the salts would dessicate them in under a day. the solution would kill them. wash the outside of the container and your done. sweep mop wipe dow room top to bottom. thats all you can do aside from heat treatments. spray down room with riptide. call it a day. where it really matters is keepig the lurkers from reinfesting. systemics can make it stay gone. kontos on everything and add imid on moms. then it wont come back in a month when you start to relax.
I guess you just decided not to read what I posted. If your're going to quote me, be accurate. Or at least make an attempt to answer the question.
A. I didn't use any "chems" or "crazy shit"
B. If you read what I posted, you would see that I used Mycotrol, A 100% organic pesticide.
C. Mycotrol and WP22 (which you recommended) are the same thing.
D. Learn to read before opening your mouth.
Not to be rude...but your buddies problem is most likely "contamination". IMHO, if he does not find how the RAs are contaminating uninfected plants...then he is running on a hamster wheel.
Eradication is a plan of action that requires "combat-like strategies". Treat the plants, treat new plants, clean up the joint, adopt "clean room" practices, identify how uninfected plants are getting RAs. Bamboo sticks (reuse), dirty containers, not cleaning tools between rooms, not changing clothes/shoes (I have "garden shoes" that have never seen outside...I wear "fresh clothes" when entering the garden environment), failing to wash hands--these are the usual suspects.
Smoke a fatty, think like a RA and come up with a list of things to investigate.
As for the nutes...I would seal all nute bottle real tight (tape them if necessary) and submerge the bottles in soapy water + chlorine overnight. That little spillage at the bottle opening is probably where RAs COULD congregate as well as the bottle bottom...if they decided to reside on nute bottles--think food.
Bad Habits
Member
Thank you for the input
What about in things like Rapid Start or GH vegan plant booster? those things seem pretty "light" - any possibility they might be able to survive in there?
What if it's a non salt-based solution? Thinkin of random additives that might not necessarily be salt-based...
Also not really here to debate the point of his RA situation and what to do about it... His grow, his decisions ya know. Doesn't really affect me either way except for possibly getting some free nutes out of it (I obviously don't take clones or anything like that from him...)
Well when you're running a fat commercial grow with basically 2 people not including the trimming crew IPM is much easier said than done. But as noted above, not really here to discuss his situation - simply want to know the answer to my questions about the nutes
Then tell your buddy the nutes are contaminated and you SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORED!
Miraculous Meds
Well-known member
I don't know of any reason to put a mixing device in the concentrated bottles of rapid start or plant booster. So id say if he used a mixer it was in the reservoir after he added the concentration. Look, if moneys not a real big issue and the value of the products ur getting for free don't mean much in the long run just buy new bottles of the shit u need. But to me I doubt any of those nutes are infected. U stand just as much of a chance of getting a bug on the outside of a bottle from a grow store as u do from ur friend.
so i did my orthene riptide dunk last night, today i saw one flying bug darted to fast to idintify, i hope i am not still contaminated. i had to wait because my riptide didnt get shipped i let some vegging plants over dry to the point of wilting so i didnt dunk them i nursed them back in the humidity dome with my clones. they were newly rooted colnes in dixie cups of promix.
ditamous earth seems to be a joke, and a pain to clean up after. i saw a big ant white covered in the stuff walking around like nothings wrong.
ditamous earth seems to be a joke, and a pain to clean up after. i saw a big ant white covered in the stuff walking around like nothings wrong.
that ants toast, i smashed it. i idd a potato test, no bugs so far, before less than a hour all slices were crawling. time will tell either way i am glad i dunked them it was a good experance except for that orthane stink lingering. and my plants all seem to be looking better, i also sprayed outside the house and under my grow with demon wp, demon wp on everything but the plants.
TheOutlawTree
Active member
Does anybody know if SNS-203, or Cedar based Insecticides will kill the met-52 fungus?
Ive got some beautiful girls in vegg and im about to transplant into 4g smart pots coco/perlite and met-52. Im not going to count on the met-52 as a solo preventitive as I can not afford another bad run. I just don't want it going to waste if those other root drenches will kill the fungus.
Ive been able to veg nice healthy plants again with the help of Imidacloprid, botaniguard, sns-203, and GoGnats.
Its an expensive battle with these bastards but I will not let them win this time. Plants are going in to the flower room in 1 or 2 weeks.
Ive got some beautiful girls in vegg and im about to transplant into 4g smart pots coco/perlite and met-52. Im not going to count on the met-52 as a solo preventitive as I can not afford another bad run. I just don't want it going to waste if those other root drenches will kill the fungus.
Ive been able to veg nice healthy plants again with the help of Imidacloprid, botaniguard, sns-203, and GoGnats.
Its an expensive battle with these bastards but I will not let them win this time. Plants are going in to the flower room in 1 or 2 weeks.
