Fiddynut's indoor jungle

[Fiddynut]

Good morning tribe.

As I was thinking about my next run a thought popped into my head. Why would I run the same plants twice if they don't seem to be what I want in smell and flavor? The plan has been to run clones of the plants that I just harvested (2) and are flowering now (2). I thought to myself that if I run these again and get the same results I'll have spent about 5 months running them twice. I think that I'd be pretty disappointed in myself if I spent all that time and didn't care for the product.

So it came to me that I have some fem calli connection seeds that I was afrade to run because I got some hermies last time I ran them. Back then I didn't know how to find hermies or how to deal with them. I've had a few runs since then and I've dealt with hermies without getting seedy buds. I know where to look and when, as well as how to pick them off. It's worked well and I don't see why it won't work again if I do get some balls. So I decided to soak and put some seeds in soil. I have 1 cc Girl Scout cookie, 2 Larry OG, and 2 Blackwater.

I'm not a huge fan of fem seeds but for a quick grow I think they are going to be perfict. My plan is to do a short veg, something like two weeks or so and then pot up and switch to 12/12. I'm not going to top them just see what I get. I'll take cuts from the lower branches at some point and I'm going to lollipop them pretty aggressively this time. Maybe I'll find a keeper or two here, maybe not.

 

[pop_rocks]

yeah fiddy, no use wasting good space on bad seed
/i like your description as "cardboard pheno"
thats the thing about growing from seeds, you are kind of rolling the dice as far as what you will get
even the best breeders beans will hold a mix of fire and bunk,( like a spectrum: FIRE<--0-->BUNK; or more accurately 1:2:1)
the better the genetics were locked down, the more likely you will find fire, but there will always be a few that arent what the breeder had in mind
but dont toss them just yet, because until you smoke it you dont know what it really is
im not saying these are worth keeping, but at least wait till you have given the smoke a proper chance to show you what its got

im with you all the way there,rode
its like with fine wines, the terrior plays a huge part in the flavor profile
even grown indoors, the difference between soil and hydro is there
and good cure makes all the difference, sir! we have to be patient
there will be times that you know you hit it out of the park from day one, but until you have properly cured the stuff, you cant really be sure of what you have

andy', does that pic you posted show the problem?
like fiddy said, its really close and hard to tell about the health of the plant
maybe if you could show a couple pics, one of the whole plant in good light and thena closeer shot of a leaf or two highlighting the problem
sorry man, but its hard to say whats wrong from the pic you posted

 

[Fiddynut]

yeah fiddy, no use wasting good space on bad seed
/i like your description as "cardboard pheno"
thats the thing about growing from seeds, you are kind of rolling the dice as far as what you will get
even the best breeders beans will hold a mix of fire and bunk,( like a spectrum: FIRE<--0-->BUNK; or more accurately 1:2:1)
the better the genetics were locked down, the more likely you will find fire, but there will always be a few that arent what the breeder had in mind
but dont toss them just yet, because until you smoke it you dont know what it really is
im not saying these are worth keeping, but at least wait till you have given the smoke a proper chance to show you what its got

im with you all the way there,rode
its like with fine wines, the terrior plays a huge part in the flavor profile
even grown indoors, the difference between soil and hydro is there
and good cure makes all the difference, sir! we have to be patient
there will be times that you know you hit it out of the park from day one, but until you have properly cured the stuff, you cant really be sure of what you have

andy', does that pic you posted show the problem?
like fiddy said, its really close and hard to tell about the health of the plant
maybe if you could show a couple pics, one of the whole plant in good light and thena closeer shot of a leaf or two highlighting the problem
sorry man, but its hard to say whats wrong from the pic you posted

Good morning pop_rocks.

I heard the term cardboard pheno here back when I first started growing and it just stuck with me. These plants are probably not that flavorless, I think I was just a little disappointed at the realization that they weren't going to be what I'm looking for. A little cure should help a lot.

You are right that growing from seed makes for a genetic roll of the dice and you never know what your going to get. In the few grows I've done I've noticed that not two of the plants I've grown have been the same and many grows have showed grate differences between plants of the same strain grown in the same soil, environment, water, feed, ect. I like the way you describe the chances as 1:2:1. That seems very accurate to me. I'm probably going to keep one of each of the cuts I have rooting right now for a few weeks and make final decisions then. I may keep one or two around just to play with as clones and maybe experiment with trying to put it in some coco and see if I can keep it healthy in veg.

 

[pop_rocks]

thats a really good idea, f'nut
keepa couple cuts around to experiment with
growing it in coco sounds like a good idea as well
you might discover something about the plant you werent expecting
so of all the plants youve grown, what was the one you like the most and why?
youve had a lot of variety in your garden and it would be interesting to hear what your thought are on some of the ones you have tried
if you could have a second chance at any of them, which would it be?


so we are about a week off form the winter solstice and winter is in full swing
hope everyone is warm and cozy and full of holiday cheer
what a year 2017 has been!

 

[Rodehazrd]

Hello Guys
Fiddy I can't say enough good about the CC Larry I lost all my cuts in a rippers event but I want some more. I did not have a poor Pheno in the 10 regs I popped. Fucking kids likely smoked my clones in a corn cob pipe.
I still stand by the CC818 as my all time fav. but some friends liked the Larry better. Headband never came close to Swerve's claims but I liked what I got. About .4 g per watt. SOG might make more weight.
I lost my ballast yesterday I think. went in last night and it was dark so off to the grow store to drop some cash. With the low temps I need the heat as well as the light.

 

[Fiddynut]

thats a really good idea, f'nut
keepa couple cuts around to experiment with
growing it in coco sounds like a good idea as well
you might discover something about the plant you werent expecting
so of all the plants youve grown, what was the one you like the most and why?
youve had a lot of variety in your garden and it would be interesting to hear what your thought are on some of the ones you have tried
if you could have a second chance at any of them, which would it be?


so we are about a week off form the winter solstice and winter is in full swing
hope everyone is warm and cozy and full of holiday cheer
what a year 2017 has been!

Good morning pop_rocks.

That's what I was thinking pop. I've got a bunch of veg space with this second light and now is the time to experiment. I have a bunch of the cuts starting to root as we speak so I'm going to toss my old moms and plant 4 of the cuts to keep them around a while. Meanwhile I'm going to stick a couple other cuts in some coco beer cups and start the experiment. It's going to be a bit of a learning curve to get the hang of feeding the coco girls so I'll spend some time this weekend reading up on that. I have some fox farms nutes that I don't use in soil anymore and a bottle of GO micro with plenty of nitro in it, and I have the GO cal/mag which I don't use in dirt either so I'll use it it has more Ca that the botanicare cal/mag plus that I use in soil. Let the adventure begin!

My favorite plant and which I'd grow again is a great question. I've loved the flavor of the CC Larry OG and the GSC, the bodhi lemon wookie too. But hands down the best I've grown in single plant yeild, potency, and dank flavor was the gorilla bubble by Tony green. I had a cut of that but trashed it when I got some stress hermies on the plant in flower. That was the plant where I first learned to identify and remove balls, and it was seed free when done. Luckily I have another half pack of those beans and I'll be revisiting that strain in a couple rounds for sure. It seems like everyone finds keepers in every pack of that stuff. Can't wait to find one too.

That's right pop the days will start getting longer soon. I'm surviving on just a few hours of daylight here and more light will be a welcome sight. But for now its time to enjoy the holladay season for sure. I've got a couple extra days off next week that I had to use and I'm looking forward to getting some rest, garden time, and last minute shopping done and being ready to spend time with family and friends for Christmas. Then it's party time for the new year! You are right '17 has been a great year and I'm hoping for an even better 2018. It's Friday allready and I'm ready for the weekend too. Just have to power through today and tomorrow. Have a great weekend brother!
Fiddy.

 

[Fiddynut]

Hello Guys
Fiddy I can't say enough good about the CC Larry I lost all my cuts in a rippers event but I want some more. I did not have a poor Pheno in the 10 regs I popped. Fucking kids likely smoked my clones in a corn cob pipe.
I still stand by the CC818 as my all time fav. but some friends liked the Larry better. Headband never came close to Swerve's claims but I liked what I got. About .4 g per watt. SOG might make more weight.
I lost my ballast yesterday I think. went in last night and it was dark so off to the grow store to drop some cash. With the low temps I need the heat as well as the light.

Good morning Rodehazrd.

I'm looking forward to the Larry and the others as well. I smoked my last little chunk of the Larry a few weeks ago and it still had great flavor. Hard to believe that grow was allmost a year ago allready. We will see what I get here but you are welcome to have cuts if they are goo. I'm expecting sprouts above soil tonight or tomorrow and we will see what comes up. Fingers crossed!

That sucks about your ballast. I want to get a spare in case that happens to me sometime but I always find other things to spend my money on. I hope your plants don't mind the interruption in light any.
Have a great weekend bud...Fiddy.

 

[Badfishy1]

Good day lads. Anybody run hydro? Couple questions for anybody that does

 

[pop_rocks]

wow, that sucks, rode'
/like f.nut says, maybe it isnt a bad idea to keep a spare on hand
i dont think it would be too much trouble to hold onto the cuts you have for a little longer
plus like you mentioned, you can try new things
i like the idea of the beer cup to hold your clones in
they dont take up much space and will maintain the stock until you decide what you want to do with it
thats great you are getting a couple extra days off for the holiday
im still on the fence about my holiday schedule and will probably firm it up this weekend after mrsChicky gets back

what kind of set up do you have in mind fishy'?

 

[Badfishy1]

Good day all. That is what I was wondering about. Looking for a set up that is relatively easy to maintain. Just so many options

 

[packerfan79]

Good day all. That is what I was wondering about. Looking for a set up that is relatively easy to maintain. Just so many options

I think rockwool handwatered Is the simplest hydro you will find. I have been thinking about mabey trying it out on my next seed run.

 

[Fiddynut]

Greetings friends.

I hope everyone had a great week and your weekends are off to a nice start. This week really flew by and I can't believe it's the weekend allready. I have 3 days off not sure what I'm going to do with myself. It's warming up a little with highs in the upper 30's the next few days and the snow will soon be melted. They are allready talking about a big snow here next week so maybe it will be all white again for Christmas.

I noticed that at lest 3/5 seedlings were trying to poke their heads above soil as of this morning. I expect them to be fully up by tonight and hopefully the other 2 are right behind them. Looks like the cuts are allready starting to make roots at only day 6 in the cloner, I'm glad to see it working well again.

@Badfishy. I haven't tried any hydro but I'm going to start a couple clones in coco in a few days so maybe we can learn some things together.

@pop_rocks. I think the beer cups will be a great way to learn about coco and to learn about keeping moms that don't get too big and take up too much space. This should be a fun experiment.

@Packerfan. Rockwool easer than coco? Is that because it dosent interact and steal the nutrients from the plants or something like that? About what ppm of veg nutes do you recommend for for starting clones in coco?

 

[packerfan79]

Greetings friends.

I hope everyone had a great week and your weekends are off to a nice start. This week really flew by and I can't believe it's the weekend allready. I have 3 days off not sure what I'm going to do with myself. It's warming up a little with highs in the upper 30's the next few days and the snow will soon be melted. They are allready talking about a big snow here next week so maybe it will be all white again for Christmas.

I noticed that at lest 3/5 seedlings were trying to poke their heads above soil as of this morning. I expect them to be fully up by tonight and hopefully the other 2 are right behind them. Looks like the cuts are allready starting to make roots at only day 6 in the cloner, I'm glad to see it working well again.

@Badfishy. I haven't tried any hydro but I'm going to start a couple clones in coco in a few days so maybe we can learn some things together.

@pop_rocks. I think the beer cups will be a great way to learn about coco and to learn about keeping moms that don't get too big and take up too much space. This should be a fun experiment.

@Packerfan. Rockwool easer than coco? Is that because it dosent interact and steal the nutrients from the plants or something like that? About what ppm of veg nutes do you recommend for for starting clones in coco?

I don't know that rockwool is easier than coco, just easier than the more complex hydro like rdwc .I don't really ppm much anymore, I would probably start at 1/4 strength and work your way up from their. Clones can handle higher ppms than seedlings imo.

I have a buddy who runs rockwool, and he only feeds every 3rd day. He gets nice yields. I like the idea of not having to water everyday.

 

[Fiddynut]

I don't know that rockwool is easier than coco, just easier than the more complex hydro like rdwc .I don't really ppm much anymore, I would probably start at 1/4 strength and work your way up from their. Clones can handle higher ppms than seedlings imo.

I have a buddy who runs rockwool, and he only feeds every 3rd day. He gets nice yields. I like the idea of not having to water everyday.

Good afternoon Packerfan.

1/4 strength sounds good. I'll look and see what the bottle says.

That's interisting about the hand watering of the rockwool. What size cubes and containers does he use to flower plants out? I've only seen the little cubes at the hydro store.

 

[packerfan79]

Good afternoon Packerfan.

1/4 strength sounds good. I'll look and see what the bottle says.

That's interisting about the hand watering of the rockwool. What size cubes and containers does he use to flower plants out? I've only seen the little cubes at the hydro store.

My buddy uses a 4 inch cube until it roots through and then they stack it on 6 inch cube. He runs a lot of plants I think last time he ran 155 under 6 lights. It may just be a plant numbers dictate yield thing. He also runs co2 and I don't.

 

[pop_rocks]

ive used the rockwool blocks in the past
when the roots need more room to grow, you just place the smaller cube onto the larger block
i also agree with p'fan that hand watered would be them most basic and easy to set up
i used timers and have run with both a drip and ebb/ flood table with good results
/but more work to set up
you can probabaly order the larger 4x4 blocks online and they also have slabs you can use depending on what size you want.

 

[Badfishy1]

ive used the rockwool blocks in the past
when the roots need more room to grow, you just place the smaller cube onto the larger block
i also agree with p'fan that hand watered would be them most basic and easy to set up
i used timers and have run with both a drip and ebb/ flood table with good results
/but more work to set up
you can probabaly order the larger 4x4 blocks online and they also have slabs you can use depending on what size you want.

Set up time isn’t an issue, asking more about during an actual run how much time/day or week is involved. Obviously many variables taken into consideration

 

[pop_rocks]

you can do a lot of the heavy lifting up front and set up a drip line system
this will save you hours of time in your day to day activity, but takes a minute or two to set up and get dialed in
like you said, many variables involved

 

[Badfishy1]

Thanks pops will look into drip line. Similar to blu-mats? Now, interesting find... with all the back and forth on cloning, i just wanted to say, I decided to try and make a cloner out of something’s that were laying around the house (Folgers can, air pump and some nerf gun bullets) yes very high tech and drained the wallet all $2.98 i spent on 2 air stones and a backflow device. However, a couple weeks ago I topped a plant, cut a hole in the top of an old Tupperware, filled Tupperware w Brit’s filtered tap water and place cutting into water. Kept the cutting under veg lights and in a week had roots. Anybody tried this method? Dumb luck? I’m 1/1 with said method. Thinking prob shouldn’t try it again as to keep perfection!

 

[Mudraya]

Rockwool is a little harder to get used to than coco, but when tweaked to ocd perfection is a better result, very much worth it IMO. Less buffering action means less insurance against fluctuations in the res or the media, but also more control. Little tweaks have more of an effect. You can get a pretty decent result by hand watering 1x/day but if you want exceptional results -go the multiple feed DTW route and join in on what greenhouse growers of the world already know.