TerpeneDream
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do you plan on sharing or using any data from the genome project led by cu?
there's been some interesting data published from samples collected this past year.
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/12/13/034314.full.pdf
damn!
as guessed, i dont expact sams to disclose any data availible ever or soon, even to the donors!
oh what a scam :/
blessss
ps.: i hope the sequences will help you design markers you planned for (@sams), BUT i don't think the ones you are screening for are to be found lolz
pps.: so much to the "open source" and donators will get access to data via the sample id they submitted...
I live in this country where there are many different landraces, we hunt them to cook in high-fat condensed milk and enjoy the smooth high coming in waves - I say landraces cause they grow in the wild, but some look like (tall, strong branches) having been cultivated for hemp-production in the past, while some are just feral, like the ones called Cannabis sativa L. subsp. spontanea Serebrjakova in Russian tradition and also called Cannabis Ruderalis in other traditions, the short and auto-flowering ones.
Then, in addition to this feral/escaped low-thc plants, there are of course different strains from different regions of Georgia, which is a small, but geographically diverse country. I believe there are traditional strains of both Indica and Sativa dominances (or what was used to be called Indica and Sativa), but no-one has ever documented them.
So, I registered on this forum to maybe get clues about how to start to put these local varieties to a catalogue and I found information that I didn't expect - 1 was about this mind-blowing re-clasification by Clarke and Merlin and the other about their theory regarding the NL Cannabis being from the more-or-less the same area as my country Georgia is (between the Black Sea and the Caucasus mountains).
That is why I want to contact you, I don't have much material yet, I will start taking samples in the second half of Spring, but I already have seeds of this above mentioned feral Ruderalis from a dry plain region in Eastern Georgia and I of cultivated drug-plant from the coastal region (where the most potent ones are said to come from in here).
For now, I cannot list the other races that I have come upon and cooked throughout years, but I want to collaborate with your project, the interest if Rob Clarke towards Caucasus being a big reason for it, do I really have to post so much, to be able to get in touch?
I mean I could just tell you my e-mail and you could contact me if interested
Now that there is a pretty impressive and informative study! Interesting to see NLD has more CBD than BLD. Possibly due to modern artificial selection. Also that hemp has the highest concentration of the terpene, myrcene. As expected NLD is more closely related to hemp than BLD.
Any experience with the delta 4 & 8 THC cannabinoids Sam?
I welcome help from anyone that has a landrace, we want them, even a dead seed is useful for the DNA info. We can use a live seed, we don't grow them we just sequence the DNA, from a seed, dry leaf, pollen.....
-SamS
Do you have any need for modern seed-bank landraces?
I a few have Hoa Bacs (Vietnam), Laos Luang Prabangs, Wild Thailand (WOS) and Oaxacans (Nirvana's El dorado) I could send you.
If they are pure landrace we want them, alive or dead seeds can be used, as well as a dead dry leaf which is easier for us to extract the DNA and sequence it. As long as we have the info about the variety, where it came from, via whom, and it is a landrace we want it. PM me.
-SamS
RCClarke said:Right, and people have put a lot of energy into developing what they call varieties, or at least asexually reproducing a cutting, you know making a clonal propagation. And, once you start to be able to identify plants, to fingerprint them if you will (though it’s not a totally appropriate term), but to identify them in a physical way, then you have the ability to protect them. The initial knee-jerk response is, well if I can identify these gene sequences that identify my variety that I’m trying to keep for my monetary gain, then – like patenting any product or any process – you would begin to think about restricting other people from using your intellectual property, your variety. That’s one way to look at it. And that’s the way patent applications and processes basically work.
The situation with cannabis is a little bit different because everybody, pretty much everybody, has given seeds or given cuttings of their favorite plants to their friends. Well the minute they do that they’ve put their creation into public domain. It’s like handing out your manuscript to your book without having copyrighted it. That would be analogous. So it is part of the public domain. And, what that means is that most of the cannabis that’s out there now belongs to everybody. It doesn’t belong to any one person. And if someone has something they haven’t released, they’ve kept it proprietary, then it can belong to just them. And when, and if, there’s a system in America to protect these plants, they could be protected. But, it makes a lot more sense rather than fighting to keep other people from using something you have, to just admit that we all have access to all these things and they belong to the public domain, and they can’t really be sequestered and used by one party.
It would be what’s being termed “defensive” intellectual property rights protection. You’re not on the offense to try to keep other people excluding their use or license the use of your variety. You’re just saying that it’s everybody’s and no one person can take it and profit from it. And that seems, in the current state of the way things are, to be a more logical way to approach the situation.
Robert Clarke interviewed by Project CBD's Martin Lee
Discusses the Phylos Cannabis Evolution DNA Project.
https://www.projectcbd.org/article/...ed+(02-18-2016)_2016-02-18_1&utm_medium=email
That discussion was definitely worth listening to, thanks for posting the link Sam,
Clarke mentions that about 1000 samples have been DNA tested already, I wonder how many samples will need to be tested?
Thanks for the link Sam. Maybe a few of us, including me, had you all wrong. Any work taking Cannabis varieties out of the hands of individuals and bringing it into the hands of the people is good work in my book.
PS.You never returned my PM about the current seedbank "landraces" I can submit. I guess you're not interested? As nice as they are I'm fairly skeptical myself about them being 100% pure landrace Sativas.
SB