Riot just posted this on instagram.
This is a freakin trip.
Am I understanding they are selling tissue cultures now? After they got everyone’s genetics , they are selling them?
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CANNABIS DNA PROJECT
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This is a freakin trip.
Am I understanding they are selling tissue cultures now? After they got everyone’s genetics , they are selling them?
Doubtful, they got a lot of dead tissue dna to test as well, to me it looks like they are using phylos to fingerprint their varieties so that they are able to trade mark them and make royalties off the plants, not just anything in the public domain.
Resurrecting plants from sequenced DNA is science fiction, at the moment. Yes, you can insert a gene or two, but that's it. Doing any more than that would be insanely expensive. (And you're not using a gene gun, which would be like trying to copy the mona lisa with a shotgun. Possible, but how many lifetimes of the universe are you willing to devote to it?)
Phylos knows who has the 'real' cuts. They're going to make some industry folks very good offers for whatever starting genetics they want - not build them in the lab at a bare minimum 100s or 1000s of times the cost.
They're also going to do their own selective breeding work and/or offer very good money for exclusive rights to obtain the unique genetics they want, because you don't build a public library of proof of what's in the public domain, only to go and copy the public domain.
Even if they weren't publishing the sequences, it would be stupid to use any genetics they knew were public, because anyone with the resources could show they were full of it. And that would, again, not make them any money.
If we assume they're in it for the money, the conspiracy theories just don't make sense.
Phylos knows who has the 'real' cuts. They're going to make some industry folks very good offers for whatever starting genetics they want - not build them in the lab at a bare minimum 100s or 1000s of times the cost.
They're also going to do their own selective breeding work and/or offer very good money for exclusive rights to obtain the unique genetics they want, because you don't build a public library of proof of what's in the public domain, only to go and copy the public domain.
Even if they weren't publishing the sequences, it would be stupid to use any genetics they knew were public, because anyone with the resources could show they were full of it. And that would, again, not make them any money.
If we assume they're in it for the money, the conspiracy theories just don't make sense.
exactly this.
for dna-isolation, you don't need that much material, and you destroy your sample in the process(actually did a dna-isolation this afternoon, not for weed though, although my sample was a weedplant once, but the goal is finding fungus-dna). this is what phylos has been doing for a while. they probably have plans to make money off of that nice databae they collected, but not the way this conspiracy theory is suggesting, just the data itself is already valuable without being possible to get live plants out of it.
for tissue culture, you need more material than if you just isolated some dna to sequence. and if you're using material from a plant that isn't grown under sterile conditions, it's likely you'll lose some to infection from micro-organisms on and inside the leaf(or other material, if you're using something else, but I've only done tissue culture a few times with squares of tobacco-leaves from tobaccoplants cultured in sterile conditions exactly for that purpose). so to be safe I'd say you need at least one full leaf to be sure you can get a plant out of it. and dead material won't do.
^Bingo
They're not frankenstein-ing plants. I bet you when Conception Nurseries gets a client, they say, 'What strains would you like to grow?' and the client says 'these'. They go over to Phylos and ask 'Do these have viruses or an abnormal amount of line elements/defects?' and they say 'No, no, no, yes, no.' 'Can I scrub it? 'Maybe' 'Cool'.
Then conception goes back to the client and says 'Let's start tissue culturing the fuck out of these 4 but not this one'
I just spent my afternoon reading the 37 pages here and it's astounding how few people in the thread seem to really grasp why Sam is asking for the oldest possible seeds (but still throw him under the bus.) Like, maybe 5 people in the whole thing get SNP's and their importance to a 3D Phylos model. Those are the answers that can really tell us about origins of cannabis. Wish I had anything worth a damn to catalog.
The paper that Chimera posts on page ten has 14,031 SNP's- that's what this is all about. Friggin' cool.
They're not frankenstein-ing plants. I bet you when Conception Nurseries gets a client, they say, 'What strains would you like to grow?' and the client says 'these'. They go over to Phylos and ask 'Do these have viruses or an abnormal amount of line elements/defects?' and they say 'No, no, no, yes, no.' 'Can I scrub it? 'Maybe' 'Cool'.
Then conception goes back to the client and says 'Let's start tissue culturing the fuck out of these 4 but not this one'
I just spent my afternoon reading the 37 pages here and it's astounding how few people in the thread seem to really grasp why Sam is asking for the oldest possible seeds (but still throw him under the bus.) Like, maybe 5 people in the whole thing get SNP's and their importance to a 3D Phylos model. Those are the answers that can really tell us about origins of cannabis. Wish I had anything worth a damn to catalog.
The paper that Chimera posts on page ten has 14,031 SNP's- that's what this is all about. Friggin' cool.
