CANNABIS DNA PROJECT

[PrimalHaze]

PS I have eight 2400 year old seeds given to me from the Hermitage Museum in St. Petersburg, Russia. Excavated by Sergei Ivanovich Rudenko in 1947-1949. From Pazyryk: "In a corner of one grave chamber of the Pazyryk cemetery was a fur bag containing cannabis seed, a censer filled with stones, and the hexapod frame of an inhalation tent - these are believed to have been utilized at the end of the funerary ritual for purification."
I also have many other Cannabis seeds thousands of years old in my collections.

-SamS

I get excited when I read about findings like this. Sam, what can you speculate about the chemotype of these 2400 yr old seeds?

For the love of Herb... please do all you can to get some of these old genetics resurrected.

When this project was first announced I was skeptical about patents, accessibility to data, etc... but now I'm very interested in the findings of the cannabis family tree. Good luck Sam!

-pH

 

[pastor]

I quote Phylos Bioscience FAQ:

"What will I get if I submit a sample for the Cannabis Evolution Project?

You’ll get a copy of a Material Transfer Agreement identifying and describing your sample, and indicating that you are not transferring any rights of any kind along with it. It will also indicate that you’re entitled to the unique data we generate from your sample, and include a sample ID number that will give you access to the data we post on the web when it’s complete."

so every contributors here have gotten a MTA?

 

[SpaceBros.]

I get excited when I read about findings like this. Sam, what can you speculate about the chemotype of these 2400 yr old seeds?-pH

C. sat. C. Rud. sat. spo.

or

C sat. sat. sat.

Russian Ruderlaris and Hemp respectively

High CBD
Low THC
Lower overall cannabinoids

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

No one that has contributed has asked for one. I have not seen them as I did not ask for one for my seeds I contributed. If it is real important for any potential contributor I can try and get a copy, but I do not send live seeds to the USA, the DNA is extracted and that is sent, so no one can grow anything that anyone has sent in, unless they were sent to me to grow like in a few special cases. The data after sequencing, will be online, sample numbers were given to contributors of the first 100 samples that were submitted to me and are having their DNA extracted and sent to Phylos. As I submit more samples ( I have collected several hundred more) I will assign new ID numbers and inform the contributors of their samples numbers so they can look at the Data when posted online by Phylos. Any questions just ask me.
-SamS

I quote Phylos Bioscience FAQ:

"What will I get if I submit a sample for the Cannabis Evolution Project?

You’ll get a copy of a Material Transfer Agreement identifying and describing your sample, and indicating that you are not transferring any rights of any kind along with it. It will also indicate that you’re entitled to the unique data we generate from your sample, and include a sample ID number that will give you access to the data we post on the web when it’s complete."

so every contributors here have gotten a MTA?

 

[joe2]

am I missing where the data from the DNA Project are posted? none yet?

 

[polyflowerbud]

Do "people" invest for no gain at all?
Why would "they"?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

am I missing where the data from the DNA Project are posted? none yet?

You are correct Phylos has not given me anything to post yet, as soon as they do I will post it.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Do "people" invest for no gain at all?
Why would "they"?

Because they believe that RCC & I and Phylos will get the info and post it, there has been a bit of a slow down as Phylos used to have the DNA sequencing done at a separate University facility, now they have bought several of the NextGen sequencers and are beginning to use them in house, please excuse the delays, in the end it will speed everything up. I will post as soon as I have anything to post. I am frustrated also but good science can take time, that is how it is.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

any cannabis dna recognition pre 1700's australia?

We are looking for samples but there was no Cannabis in Australia pre-26 February 1606 when the ship Eendracht, Captain Dirk Hartog, on its way to Indonesia bumped into west coast of Australia. altho 1770 by James Cook is the commonly held date of white men landing in Australia. I do not know who first took Cannabis to Australia or when, do you? Yes we are interested.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Yes, will it be posted as you go along, or released all at once when the project is complete?

I would like to see DJ Short's stuff tested actually.
His stuff is different from other breeders plants.

As we go along....
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

The Dutch were getting shipwrecked on the coast of Australia for years before James Cook "discovered" the country.
They tended to get blown off course or lost en-route to Indonesia on a regular basis.
Some of them obviously made it to shore and were taken in by the Aboriginals; that's why in the northern coastal areas of Western Australia you see tall black Aboriginals with blonde hair, because they are descendants of some of the Dutch who were shipwrecked off the coast and made it to shore.

But if they brought cannabis seeds with them, I can assure you it was not cultivated, as the Aborigines were hunters and gatherers; they didn't grow crops of any sort.

The first cannabis to be cultivated in Australia would have been in the sixties by hippies; nothing before then.

By the way Sam; who is Phylos?

Read the first post in this thread, or better all of them....
-SamS

 

[bigmotaman48]

Sam , your frustration with pot growers is overwhelming . I wanted to scream " take a gardening , horticultural or botany class at your local community college whenI was at The Emerald Cup last year , take a class , people have been growing plants for years , learn from them , not Jason your buddy , take a class .

 

[Buckowens]

Any Aussie Cannabis is of southern Chinese origin would be my guess.

 

[SpaceBros.]

There is no native or wild Cannabis growing in Australia. As mentioned earlier Cannabis likely came to Australia through pot-smoking hippies in the 60's or 70's. "Australian" outdoor or "bushies" cannabis is NLD type with possible Thai and Indonesian influences. Some of the few Australian named strains include Papua New Guinea (PNG) Gold, Mullumbimby Madness, Ducksfoot and Australian Bastard Cannabis (ABC). By the early 90's indoor Skunk and Northern Lights were common place with most "bushies" being what people here would refer to as "schwag". Although an occasional batch of good outdoor would come through.

 

[Croissant]

Do "people" invest for no gain at all?
Why would "they"?

passion.

they gain the sense of feeling they are a part of something larger than themselves they believe in.

The same reason why Wikipedia exists and people contribute to it for free.

 

[polyflowerbud]

Hi, and sorry about my unpleasant tone.- :
A book called HEMP and the marijuana conspiracy in Australia. -
It's available from online Soil and Health library-(soilandhealth.org)
thanks again.

 

[PetFlora]

Are you in a position to separate and test seeds grown under red/blue lights v white based lights?

Based on biology and botany, all things will mutate under stressed circumstances

The absence of the green spectrum will affect cannabis dna, but how many generations will it take?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

If I had to guess I would say Chinese hemps and Thai drug varieties were the main Australian Cannabis gene imports? I am guessing.
-SamS

 

[strandloper]

from Wikipedia:

"Cannabis sativa seeds first arrived in Australia in 1788 on the First Fleet at the request of Sir Joseph Banks.[2] The blueprint for the New South Wales colony, approved by the British Cabinet in 1786, envisaged Australia as a commercial colony producing hemp.[2]

In 1892, the Department of Agriculture distributed Cannabis sativa seeds to hundreds of farmers in New South Wales as an experiment in the cultivation of hemp due to the high prices of binding-twine at the time.[3] From 1840 to the early 1900s, Australians used cannabis as a medicinal herb and Cigares de Joy (cannabis cigarettes) were sold over the counter.[4]


It was popular as a medicine, and was used as an intoxicant by members of the literati; Marcus Clarke, author of the great Australian novel For the Term of his Natural Life, experimented with cannabis as an aid to writing. A short story he wrote, Cannabis Indica, was written under the influence of cannabis;[5] members of Melbourne's bohemian Yorrick Club (of which Clarke was a member) were notorious cannabis users.[5] Until the late 19th century, "Cigares De Joy" (cannabis cigarettes) were widely available; these claimed to "give immediate relief in cases of asthma, cough, bronchitis, hay-fever, influenza [and] shortness of breath".[6]"


In the spring and summer of 1963, attention was called to the presence of large amounts of Cannabis sativa growing on river banks, along creeks, and near irrigation channels in Hunter Valley. The New South Wales Department of Agriculture and Fisheries dispatched field officers to the affected areas to identify the plants.[citation needed]

The discovery created a sensation in the press. One Sydney newspaper reported the find under the headline "Love Drug found in the Hunter Valley".[citation needed] The discovery also aroused much interest in the fledgling bohemian community. In April and May of each year of the infestation, small but determined bands of marijuana devotees evaded detection by police and land owners as they harvested the flowering tops of the plants. These individuals became known as weed raiders. Much of the resulting cannabis was then smuggled to Sydney, where it was dried, cured and illegally distributed."




Wouldn't the British have brought the hemp seeds from India?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Interesting but no mention of where the seeds were from? 1788, or 1892 I would be interested in both.
-SamS

from Wikipedia:

"Cannabis sativa seeds first arrived in Australia in 1788 on the First Fleet at the request of Sir Joseph Banks.[2] The blueprint for the New South Wales colony, approved by the British Cabinet in 1786, envisaged Australia as a commercial colony producing hemp.[2]

In 1892, the Department of Agriculture distributed Cannabis sativa seeds to hundreds of farmers in New South Wales as an experiment in the cultivation of hemp due to the high prices of binding-twine at the time.[3] From 1840 to the early 1900s, Australians used cannabis as a medicinal herb and Cigares de Joy (cannabis cigarettes) were sold over the counter.[4]


It was popular as a medicine, and was used as an intoxicant by members of the literati; Marcus Clarke, author of the great Australian novel For the Term of his Natural Life, experimented with cannabis as an aid to writing. A short story he wrote, Cannabis Indica, was written under the influence of cannabis;[5] members of Melbourne's bohemian Yorrick Club (of which Clarke was a member) were notorious cannabis users.[5] Until the late 19th century, "Cigares De Joy" (cannabis cigarettes) were widely available; these claimed to "give immediate relief in cases of asthma, cough, bronchitis, hay-fever, influenza [and] shortness of breath".[6]"


In the spring and summer of 1963, attention was called to the presence of large amounts of Cannabis sativa growing on river banks, along creeks, and near irrigation channels in Hunter Valley. The New South Wales Department of Agriculture and Fisheries dispatched field officers to the affected areas to identify the plants.[citation needed]

The discovery created a sensation in the press. One Sydney newspaper reported the find under the headline "Love Drug found in the Hunter Valley".[citation needed] The discovery also aroused much interest in the fledgling bohemian community. In April and May of each year of the infestation, small but determined bands of marijuana devotees evaded detection by police and land owners as they harvested the flowering tops of the plants. These individuals became known as weed raiders. Much of the resulting cannabis was then smuggled to Sydney, where it was dried, cured and illegally distributed."




Wouldn't the British have brought the hemp seeds from India?