Stand up businesses discard the bad product and eat the cost. This happens in business sometimes. Shady companies like ecogreen would rather keep stuffing their wallet full.
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Butane Residue Test Results
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Stand up businesses discard the bad product and eat the cost. This happens in business sometimes. Shady companies like ecogreen would rather keep stuffing their wallet full.
I don't think they knew at first, they gladly exchanged all mine. They probably sold a bunch knowing though I'm sure. I know sean was just using them himself and made a 4a mol. Sieve to get the sulfur out. If it was really all about wallet stuffing, I'm sure they would have told all of us to piss off, but I'm sure there was inventory concerns involved.
You can get fancy all ss tanks, they don't have as high of a pressure rating, like 150psi I think but that should in theory be plenty. They are expensive though and are usually custom made. I think bhogart sells them and a few other people. A little brass isn't a big deal if you keep your system dry.
You can get fancy all ss tanks, they don't have as high of a pressure rating, like 150psi I think but that should in theory be plenty. They are expensive though and are usually custom made. I think bhogart sells them and a few other people. A little brass isn't a big deal if you keep your system dry.
Name brand to be determined, however no logos will be on my bottles. I want them found at closed loop locations only. No desire for photos of my products at crime scenes, eco gas and the state of CA for $100 bob.
I don't give a shit what is easiest...
If recovery tanks virgin from the factory filled with twice distilled 99.999% is what is called for that is what will be delivered. I have to think the eco disposables are the cheapest, but that may not be what you as a customer wants...
"Eco gas and the state of ca for 100$ bob"? Wait, what? You mean Alex? Was that a jeopardy joke lol?
Eh, I don't think you could get in anymore trouble than the vac oven companies, or glaciertanks or brewers hardware or any other companies that have their logo stamped on the steal. But the parchment companies, those bastards will go straight to jail lmao!
Yeah custom service would be cool, but doesn't sound very easy to manage from a business perspective. Lots of overheard with all that and everyone you employ along the way needs to be paid and that will leave the customer with a heavy bill.
Eh, I don't think you could get in anymore trouble than the vac oven companies, or glaciertanks or brewers hardware or any other companies that have their logo stamped on the steal. But the parchment companies, those bastards will go straight to jail lmao!
Yeah custom service would be cool, but doesn't sound very easy to manage from a business perspective. Lots of overheard with all that and everyone you employ along the way needs to be paid and that will leave the customer with a heavy bill.
You should try really hard to get up to 50 posts so you can pm. Will open up a whole new world to you.
Right now salaries are ZERO and customer service is key. I don't care if I sleep in a sleeping bag on the ground next to my dog. I also don't care if I put 1,000 miles on my personal vehicle in a day.
I also don't care if the ICmager requests to pay on delivery in TRADE, you know gold, silver, wheat, rice, etc.
Who cares if others wouldn't run a business with such small margins and huge customer service headaches. If EcoGarbage would have just keep their ridiculous margins and NOT sent me contaminated solvent while PUBLICLY continuing to sell contaminated solvent. I wouldn't have started a business to compete with them.
"gratefulgrower
Hahaha your years behind. The information and test results are in ICMAG forum performed by SkyHighler as well as other contributors like GreyWolf @refinedhydrocarbon
refinedhydrocarbon
@gratefulgrower I'm aware of those results. I'm curious to do some different tests and some of my own. I wouldn't be so hasty to assume that we aren't aware of the information that's already public knowledge and widely discussed within the community. C'mon now, you should be applauding the pursuit of knowledge - not trolling."
https://instagram.com/p/y7uxsVOEYU/?taken-by=refinedhydrocarbon
To Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions, and anyone else proffering liquified gas solvents:
I wait with bated breath for yours or third party lab non-volatile residue test results.
Hahaha your years behind. The information and test results are in ICMAG forum performed by SkyHighler as well as other contributors like GreyWolf @refinedhydrocarbon
refinedhydrocarbon
@gratefulgrower I'm aware of those results. I'm curious to do some different tests and some of my own. I wouldn't be so hasty to assume that we aren't aware of the information that's already public knowledge and widely discussed within the community. C'mon now, you should be applauding the pursuit of knowledge - not trolling."
https://instagram.com/p/y7uxsVOEYU/?taken-by=refinedhydrocarbon
To Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions, and anyone else proffering liquified gas solvents:
I wait with bated breath for yours or third party lab non-volatile residue test results.
Thanks, I am trying to get to 50 post.
reading as much as i can in that time. I truly appreciate all the input from the community!
Oil Crisis
Member
Fasho lol, Im not too far away.
I went with 30# when I first ordered so they are sending me another 30# in iso. How much higher pressures do you know?
I'm of the opinion it is unethical to promote the sale of gas as clean enough for open blasting without further testing beyond the factory Certificate of Analysis.
I've spent thousands of dollars testing the canned butane supply to ensure no one was getting dirty BHO, and now these underground bulk suppliers are undermining my effort.
This is the beginning of my response:
To [email protected] (Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions)
This is SkyHighLer, the Mystery Oil tester. You were 'outed' at ICMAG Concentrate Forums a few days ago, here's my public response,
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6880270&postcount=590
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6881299&postcount=601
If you find a third party lab that's set up for, or can even comprehend what is necessary to perform an accurate non-volatile residue test, more power to you.
In the meantime here's my basic non-volatile residue test:
Cut the top off a one gallon ziplock bag to further reduce the weight (generic bags are fine.)
Fold the bag up, place a rubber band around it, place it on a milligram scale, and record the tare weight.
Open the bag up wide, fold the top down one inch to stiffen it so it doesn't collapse, and place the bag into to an evaporating dish.
Place the evaporating dish in another dish like you would when doing an open blast boil off, warm water goes in the second dish...
Using a small scale, squirt about 165g (that's about a 300ml lighter refill can's worth) of solvent into a quart Mason jar. See the video, freezing the jar and solvent is of benefit in keeping the blow-by to a minimum.
Pour the solvent from the Mason jar into the bag.
Add warm water to the larger dish to speed up the boil off.
After boil off, pat dry the outside of the bag in case of condensation.
Vacuum down the bag to remove any volatile residue (like pentanes,) and moisture.
Fold the bag up, place the rubber band around it, place it on the milligram scale, and record the final weight.
The difference in weight is the amount of non-volatile residue (Mystery Oil.)
Divide the weight of the non-volatile residue by the sample weight, and multiply the result by one hundred to obtain the percentage.
Notes:
Here's a video of how to squirt liquified gas into a Mason jar,
"New Method for making BHO" by Jamus Herbeau
https://youtu.be/VTVRYk0Zdg4?t=1s
Here's the milligram scale I use, and recommend,
http://www.amazon.com/American-Weig...d=1428083560&sr=8-1&keywords=milligrams+scale
Here's the 1,000g x 0.1g scale I use and recommend,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012N1NAA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
To get accurate milligram readings every reading must be followed by a check with the calibration weights. I recalibrate over and over as the scale's readings drift as it warms up. Feel free to obtain a better scale... but it's going to cost you dearly.
This test provides weight/percentage, odor, and tint of the non-volatile residue. Take a good whiff of the test bag before and after vacuuming down, there should be very little odor after vacuuming. Fold the residue area of the bag over a couple of times, and place on a white surface to check the tint. A little yellow tint is typical of Korean and Chinese gases even if it's good stuff otherwise.
Best, John
John XXXXXXXX
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I've spent thousands of dollars testing the canned butane supply to ensure no one was getting dirty BHO, and now these underground bulk suppliers are undermining my effort.
This is the beginning of my response:
To [email protected] (Refined Hydrocarbon Solutions)
This is SkyHighLer, the Mystery Oil tester. You were 'outed' at ICMAG Concentrate Forums a few days ago, here's my public response,
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6880270&postcount=590
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6881299&postcount=601
If you find a third party lab that's set up for, or can even comprehend what is necessary to perform an accurate non-volatile residue test, more power to you.
In the meantime here's my basic non-volatile residue test:
Cut the top off a one gallon ziplock bag to further reduce the weight (generic bags are fine.)
Fold the bag up, place a rubber band around it, place it on a milligram scale, and record the tare weight.
Open the bag up wide, fold the top down one inch to stiffen it so it doesn't collapse, and place the bag into to an evaporating dish.
Place the evaporating dish in another dish like you would when doing an open blast boil off, warm water goes in the second dish...
Using a small scale, squirt about 165g (that's about a 300ml lighter refill can's worth) of solvent into a quart Mason jar. See the video, freezing the jar and solvent is of benefit in keeping the blow-by to a minimum.
Pour the solvent from the Mason jar into the bag.
Add warm water to the larger dish to speed up the boil off.
After boil off, pat dry the outside of the bag in case of condensation.
Vacuum down the bag to remove any volatile residue (like pentanes,) and moisture.
Fold the bag up, place the rubber band around it, place it on the milligram scale, and record the final weight.
The difference in weight is the amount of non-volatile residue (Mystery Oil.)
Divide the weight of the non-volatile residue by the sample weight, and multiply the result by one hundred to obtain the percentage.
Notes:
Here's a video of how to squirt liquified gas into a Mason jar,
"New Method for making BHO" by Jamus Herbeau
https://youtu.be/VTVRYk0Zdg4?t=1s
Here's the milligram scale I use, and recommend,
http://www.amazon.com/American-Weig...d=1428083560&sr=8-1&keywords=milligrams+scale
Here's the 1,000g x 0.1g scale I use and recommend,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012N1NAA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
To get accurate milligram readings every reading must be followed by a check with the calibration weights. I recalibrate over and over as the scale's readings drift as it warms up. Feel free to obtain a better scale... but it's going to cost you dearly.
This test provides weight/percentage, odor, and tint of the non-volatile residue. Take a good whiff of the test bag before and after vacuuming down, there should be very little odor after vacuuming. Fold the residue area of the bag over a couple of times, and place on a white surface to check the tint. A little yellow tint is typical of Korean and Chinese gases even if it's good stuff otherwise.
Best, John
John XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXX
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Oil Crisis
Member
Thank you sunfire for trying to look that up. I'll keep that assumption in mind. & yes I am not too far away from 50 posts.
hitman 7X had 0.031g of residue
hitman 7X, Korea, 300ml can (165.5g actual,) reads on the bottom "130830"
That's a lot of non-volatile residue, but the test bag had only a slight yellow tint... the smell of the residue was typical low grade Korean funk.
If there was a non-volatile residue lab test you'd think one of these vendors would use it...hmmm?
I have Amp 9X coming, and there's a new Power 11X, but at $25.25 a can, seriously? I just ordered it, the results are going to be just too funny...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Can-Power...866?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c50e953a2
hitman 7X, Korea, 300ml can (165.5g actual,) reads on the bottom "130830"
That's a lot of non-volatile residue, but the test bag had only a slight yellow tint... the smell of the residue was typical low grade Korean funk.
If there was a non-volatile residue lab test you'd think one of these vendors would use it...hmmm?
I have Amp 9X coming, and there's a new Power 11X, but at $25.25 a can, seriously? I just ordered it, the results are going to be just too funny...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Can-Power...866?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c50e953a2
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STOK FYR EXTREME PURITY had 0.006g of residue
STOCK FYR EXTREME PURITY, USA, 300ml can (169.7g actual,) reads on the bottom "14349 (1) STOCK 300 ML 04888"
The non-volatile residue in the test bag had a very slight yellow tint, and a little bit of odor, no problem.
I saw a larger volume in the Mason jar I initially squirt into (280ml compared to 225-250ml,) and the initial boil off temperature was right at ~32F, suggesting the can is mostly, if not all n-butane.
I've previously tested STOK FYR ABSOLUTE PURITY, those results and these, along with all the rest can be found by clicking on my ICMAG Signature link.
I have Power 11X and Amp 9X ready for test...
STOCK FYR EXTREME PURITY, USA, 300ml can (169.7g actual,) reads on the bottom "14349 (1) STOCK 300 ML 04888"
The non-volatile residue in the test bag had a very slight yellow tint, and a little bit of odor, no problem.
I saw a larger volume in the Mason jar I initially squirt into (280ml compared to 225-250ml,) and the initial boil off temperature was right at ~32F, suggesting the can is mostly, if not all n-butane.
I've previously tested STOK FYR ABSOLUTE PURITY, those results and these, along with all the rest can be found by clicking on my ICMAG Signature link.
I have Power 11X and Amp 9X ready for test...
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Power 11X had 0.019g of residue
Power 11X, Korea, 320ml can (181.8g actual,) reads on the bottom "141108"
Amp 9X had 0.031g of residue
Amp 9X, Korea, 320ml can (181.9g actual,) reads on the bottom "140115"
The residue of both had a slight odor, and a light yellow tint.
The results will be added to the list found in my ICMAG Signature.
It cost me over $25 for that crappy can of Power 11X, and they didn't let me down...........expectations met!
Power 11X, Korea, 320ml can (181.8g actual,) reads on the bottom "141108"
Amp 9X had 0.031g of residue
Amp 9X, Korea, 320ml can (181.9g actual,) reads on the bottom "140115"
The residue of both had a slight odor, and a light yellow tint.
The results will be added to the list found in my ICMAG Signature.
It cost me over $25 for that crappy can of Power 11X, and they didn't let me down...........expectations met!
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Once again I have too much left over so-so canned butane from my residue tests sitting around, Capital, Puretane, Newport, and on and on. At least a half a dozen cases, all for free. I'm in the Inland Empire of SoCal, pm me to arrange pick up or meet up. TIA!
too new to pm but uhhh....
