Butane Residue Test Results

[Gray Wolf]

FYI from A6 Grower (was news to me)

"Im the very first person on this fourm to bring Mystery oil to light https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5734082&postcount=109 back on april 23 2013 and have been preaching about distillation ever since."

Interesting thread, if you read on you'll also find the use of plain rubber HVAC hoses brought into question, I assume for the first time.


Secondly, yesterday I heard this from GW,

"I stand by my statement that for the purposes of comparing the different sources, your test does a fine job of fulfilling the purpose, but I wouldn't walk into a court of law with it, for the reasons that I gave you when I ran the test myself and determined that the low density poly bags absorb and desorb the butane, which makes accurate weighing problematic.

I haven't mentioned that on line,"

As I replied back to brother GW way back when he first attempted his version of the test, vacuum down the bag after the test. It's a very simple test, but requires following the instructions exactly as written. If you really believe in the bag trapping butane, or whatever... a simple small bowl can be formed of aluminum foil to use as a tare boat.

My results don't waver, and are very definitive... for example give me two cans each of six brands of butane with the labels masked and I can identify with my test with 100% accuracy the pairs.

Evaporation testing is the laboratory standard for solvents.

"Petroleum Ether, A.C.S. Reagent, 500ml (16oz)

Specifications:
Meets ACS Specifications
Boiling range 35 degrees - 60 degrees C Pass
Maximum limits of impurities
Color (A.P.H.A.) 10
Acidity Pass
Copper corrosion Pass
Doctor test Pass
Residue after evaporation 10ppm
Sulfur 5ppm
Benzene (GC) 2ppm

CAS: 8032-32-4"

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Petroleum-E...905?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a826f1bf9

Residue after evaporation 10ppm


Kevin at RHS linked me to this, click on "Look Inside"

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02631707#page-1

That's an evaporation test using a huge sample size to gain accuracy due to the gross taring and weighing methods.

Ummmm, what do you imagine happens to the pentane under vacuum?

To put my side of the debate in better perspective, we are comparing using the results of your test against the results from totalizing the parts per billion results from a GCMS.

I'm not dissing you, just don't see them as the same thing or requiring the same level of accuracy.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Ummmm, what do you imagine happens to the pentane under vacuum?

No imagining, it boils off, this is a test for non-volatile residue.

 

[Gray Wolf]

No imagining, it boils off, this is a test for non-volatile residue.

And yet we are actually concerned about molecule heavier than C-4, because of how much harder they are to remove after extraction than before.

When we distill butane at under <85F>, we stop at atmospheric pressure (0 gauge), so that the C-5 Pentane remains in the still.

It is also what is mostly caught in our post distillation polishing filter as well.

 

[SkyHighLer]

And yet we are actually concerned about molecule heavier than C-4, because of how much harder they are to remove after extraction than before.

When we distill butane at under <85F>, we stop at atmospheric pressure (0 gauge), so that the C-5 Pentane remains in the still.

It is also what is mostly caught in our post distillation polishing filter as well.

Those alkane molecules heavier than C-4 like pentane, hexane, and heptane (see below,) are removable though, heck many brothers extract with those exact solvents, and purge them from the final product with heat, or with heat and vacuum.

It's the non-volatiles, the one's we discovered the identity of with the first GC-MS analysis I reimbursed you for a year and a half ago that remain in the product no matter the degree of purging that my test is concerned with, and I believe deserve the most concern.

I'm all for more valid data, I've already reached into my nest egg for the common good, if anyone else wants to throw hard cash on lab analysis, go for it, and if you would, please post the results publicly.

Notes:
"At this point, we move to the Greek alphabet with Pentane, which has five carbons and 12 hydrogen’s, to Hexane with six carbons and 12 hydrogen’s, and Heptane with seven carbons. There are longer chain Simple Alkanes, but they are typically not used for extraction.
Due to Vander Waal forces, as the chains get longer, their boiling points go up, as does the difficulty in purging out their residuals afterwards. Here is the general relationship of chain length to boiling points:"
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/simple-alkanes-alcohols-and-ethers/

"C1: methane only
C2: ethane only
C3: propane only
C4: 2 isomers: n-butane and isobutane
C5: 3 isomers: pentane, isopentane, and neopentane
C6: 5 isomers: hexane, 2-methylpentane, 3-methylpentane, 2,2-dimethylbutane, and 2,3-dimethylbutane
C12: 355 isomers
C32: 27,711,253,769 isomers
C60: 22,158,734,535,770,411,074,184 isomers, many of which are not stable."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkane

 

[Gray Wolf]

Those alkane molecules heavier than C-4 like pentane, hexane, and heptane (see below,) are removable though, heck many brothers extract with those exact solvents, and purge them from the final product with heat, or with heat and vacuum.

Actually it is anything larger than C-4 and the non volatiles, because they are harder to purge later, even if you ultimately do get them below 50 ppm. In the process you lose more of your monoterpenes, and with it aroma and flavor

It's the non-volatiles, the one's we discovered the identity of with the first GC-MS analysis I reimbursed you for a year and a half ago that remain in the product no matter the degree of purging that my test is concerned with, and I believe deserve the most concern.

I'm including everything on the GC-MS list, which included hydrocarbons as long as c-18

I'm all for more valid data, I've already reached into my nest egg for the common good, if anyone else wants to throw hard cash on lab analysis, go for it, and if you would, please post the results publicly.

Yes you have and I appreciate a man who puts his money where his mouth is. I will most certainly post these results, like I did the last ones

Notes:
"At this point, we move to the Greek alphabet with Pentane, which has five carbons and 12 hydrogen’s, to Hexane with six carbons and 12 hydrogen’s, and Heptane with seven carbons. There are longer chain Simple Alkanes, but they are typically not used for extraction.
Due to Vander Waal forces, as the chains get longer, their boiling points go up, as does the difficulty in purging out their residuals afterwards. Here is the general relationship of chain length to boiling points:"
http://skunkpharmresearch.com/simple-alkanes-alcohols-and-ethers/

"C1: methane only
C2: ethane only
C3: propane only
C4: 2 isomers: n-butane and isobutane
C5: 3 isomers: pentane, isopentane, and neopentane
C6: 5 isomers: hexane, 2-methylpentane, 3-methylpentane, 2,2-dimethylbutane, and 2,3-dimethylbutane
C12: 355 isomers
C32: 27,711,253,769 isomers
C60: 22,158,734,535,770,411,074,184 isomers, many of which are not stable."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkane

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[SkyHighLer]

Ok, on to the semi-volatile 'residue,' i.e. all the unwanted stuff like pentane, hexane, etc. on down to the non-volatile residues. These I expect to see decent results on from a decent lab analysis, or even the Certificate of Analysis from the factory.

So, do lab testing if so inclined, but here's a way to do a crude check if the semi-volatile residue results are even in the ball park. Do my test exactly as described, and then do it again, but this time remove all heat to the bag before the final bit of butane boils off and the temperature starts to rise above about 60-65F, when the last of the butane has boiled off thoroughly wipe the outside of the bag dry, but don't vacuum it down, just go ahead and take the final weight at this point. Subtract the weight of the non-volatile residue from the first test from the combined weight of the non-volatile and semi-volatile residue obtained from the second test, and you now have the approximate weight of the 'stuff' that can be purged but is a pain in the ass. If you used a scale and weighed your original solvent samples you can even get a percentage, which should be crudely near to that obtained by a lab.

I've stopped the boil off as in the above, and there is very little of the combined non-volatile and semi-volatile residue, much more than the non-volatile residue alone, but so little you're going to have to weigh it to get a fix on it, not even a drop (from an about 165g solvent sample, i.e., a standard butane refill can's worth.)

I don't expect everyone to grasp the above, but it's not conjecture.

You really don't even need to do the first test and subtract it's non-volatile residue results if you just want to see for yourself the combined non-volatile and semi-volatile residues, worthwhile imo, as there really isn't much, and it will probably surprise you.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I retested Clipper 12X, still has a lot of residue...

Clipper 12X had 0.028g of residue

Clipper 12X, Spain, 300ml can (167.0g actual,) reads on the bottom "SU29E"

The non-volatile residue had a light yellow tint, and a moderate odor.


The weight of the liquid sample I captured in the Mason jar for the test minus the blow by was 139.0g. The percentage of blow by seems consistent, I'll keep following it until I'm absolutely sure.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Headed up to Chalice California, wasn't gonna' - but thai gotta'

I expect I'll be spewing shit about Mystery Oil to anyone that'll offer me a dab, so my apologies in advance, face to face I say it absolutely straight up, no face to save, but the authentica.... here's a clue, RHS never sent the 'for sure' 'word' sample tank for me to do my simple test on, should have been here no doubt about a week,,, ten days ago, I've been holding my breath. Nothing, nada, zip, oh well, ho, hum, I already said I'd shut up here due to ridicule of my constantly requesting would you bulk suppliers please at least in the secret confines of your extraction area, never to reveal the results, just give my test a try, grab a couple of cans of Ronson from Walgreens and test it along side to make sure your results are in the ballpark with mine from my list, and I'd feel much more cool. Anyway look for the little scrawny white dude, I'm going to be wearing a Terpp Extractor hoodie, and if it's bright out, probably my beige desert cap with drape down to my shoulders, seriously I'm going to have to really be trying to avoid be a nuisance, but the tease is just too much, lol, my BEL neighbor just came out and hacked, guess it's time to hit the road as he hits one up.

Latter

 

[GratefulOne]

Does mystery oil matter for anyone other than open blasters? Anyone running a cls properly will distill the butane and remove it completely.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Does mystery oil matter for anyone other than open blasters? Anyone running a cls properly will distill the butane and remove it completely.

Who knows how much of the BHO I dabbed Saturday at Chalice was open extracted? I went face to face with SCLabs and Steephill on whether they have even conceived of the possibility of testing for Mystery Oil. It's still show 'em the money, bad as lawyers.....

One other company also pissed me off, this time totally, guy had an extractor with a Haskel and a chiller mounted on a cart. Perfectly fine until I mentioned GW in relationship to the Haskel, and then so much stinkmouth about GW!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry no pictures, I walked off... company had a logo with an M in a circle is all I recall. What a total prick, zero reason for anyone to do business with somebody so full of hate.

I'd like to try out the DipStick dab pen with the upright coil in a self draining ceramic cup, but not at $200!

Btw, I'm the one who passed out in the hot sun in my sweatshirt at the HealthStone booth, I went on to consume much more edibles free and purchased, and many more dabs, after removing the stupid sweatshirt, and drinking some water. Embarrassing, my apologies to the Health Stone crew.... also, my thanks for replacing my previously cracked HS Sherlock, the elation was probably the real cause of my going feint after we sealed the exchange deal with a huge HS dab through a bubbler.

I took pictures of the Across International independently heated shelf oven, I was told each shelf has two internal strip heaters, the shelf is sealed being composed of an upper and lower a sheet. I mentioned to them my wonderings as to why they still are using a double walled enclosure with a huge hunk of glass that could be plexiglass with this model, and then went on to explain how simple and even less expensive it would be to use a full coverage silicon heater stuck with the included 3M adhesive to the bottom of each tray.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Free and not so free edibles and shatter everywhere, and no problems.

 

[SkyHighLer]

The music was implemented with much more finesse than last year, still plenty of it, and plenty loud when you get near... but at least there were plenty of pockets of calm as you moved your way around this time.

 

[SkyHighLer]

The Rosin booth was always jamming'

 

[SkyHighLer]

The spray paint mural display and creation area was vivid and well setup, don't remember why I didn't take a bunch of pics of it, might have been my first set of batteries had suddenly died, and/or my fingers were covered with medicated candy bar..... Hubbies as usual was my trusted first go to, huge fresh strawberries freshly dipped in their MMJ chocolate fountain! On top of that they had Hubby Bar smoothy samples.

 

[SkyHighLer]

I know there was at least one CO2 booth....

 

[SkyHighLer]

The MouthPeace seems to have caught on, I saw them everywhere.

http://mouthpeace.us/shop/mouthpeace-2/

 

[SkyHighLer]

More pics from Chalice California 2015

 

[SkyHighLer]

The final pic is my new HealthStone Sherlock, I so much like colors of the new one better, don't what caused my other one to crack, I have several of them and that's the first one to go bad.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Done!

 

[Gray Wolf]

The MouthPeace seems to have caught on, I saw them everywhere.

http://mouthpeace.us/shop/mouthpeace-2/

Good idea!

I was laid flat for over a week from a bug I picked up sharing a nectar collector at a secret cup.