Are old genetics.. just plain out of date now?

[CannaT]

Some th seeds bubblegum 54 days it need for flower when its in propper conditions.
Straight pungent as hell garlic/glue-ghani funk with just a bit strawberry/bubblegum sweetness at end.

 

[flylowgethigh]

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With my replacement eye lenses, I see just like that now also when looking at a point light.

 

[goingrey]

Bubblegum is not loud ?
My cut I grow is comparable to any OG,chem in pungency.
Its all about phenos.

Sounds like a good one. Have flowers from it been tested by any chance?

Anyway, just an example of something that was popular at the time. From Serious, TH Seeds, BOG, White Label, many companies..

 

[CannaT]

Sounds like a good one. Have flowers from it been tested by any chance?

Anyway, just an example of something that was popular at the time. From Serious, TH Seeds, BOG, White Label, many companies..

Unfortunately it has not been tested in the laboratory. only from my senses.
This pheno is something like bog bubble.
By my expirence this ghani fank over the time in curing translate to candy sweetness.
So this strawberry bubblegum what is in smell behind funk will be louder and louder and that funk will be sweeter and sweeter.
I dont expect that it will be 100% bubblegum but something like sweet afghan it will be.

"A pure bubblegum that was selected to be our first strain. The smell is all bubblegum and the smoke is very smooth. This very frosty strain has been my favorite for a long time. A long lasting and happy high. This mostly Indica is a large yielder indoors that produces the stickiest buds you can imagine. From my tried and true BOGBG #3 Mother plant. Flowers in 45 - 50 days."

This is Bogs description...it wasnt selected by me it was selected by my friend.
For him if he dosen't smell ghani funk weed is not good.
So he probably select towards funk.

 

[RobFromTX]

Nor does “old” mean that it’s good .. i’m gonna repeat myself and say that the golden age of marijuana is right now (and I’m not some new kid on the block either I’ve smoked all them ..
I grew up with them talking 1970’s imported Colombians Jamaicans Mexicans & Thai plus lotta the glorious strains from the seed banks of the mid& late 80s into the early 90s ..Just saying …and you can take this or leave it with a grain of salt …I’m just going by what my experience t. Teens will be onlineells me

"golden age" is always subjective. Teens will be online in 20 years talking about how shatter is the best stuff ever. I doubt you'll even be able to buy flower by then. But Im 40 and Ive grown a huge appreciation for those "back in the day" landraces that arent hacked up with 30% thc levels. It really makes me feel like i missed out on my very own golden age of weed. All i can say though is thank god for the good folks of Ace Seeds or id be smoking cookies for breakfast

 

[flower~power]

"golden age" is subjective. Teens will be online in 20 years talking about how shatter is the best stuff ever. I doubt you'll even be able to buy flower by then. Im 40 and Ive grown a huge appreciation for landraces that arent hacked up with 30% thc levels. Personally I feel like i missed out on the golden age of weed. All i can say is thank god for the good folks of Ace Seeds or id be smoking cookies for breakfast

It’s cool .. I don’t really grow for my head , i do it for profit

 

[romanoweed]

why? because step 1) forget any measurements step 2) some of the old Landraces gave the most powerful, beautiful experience i had in my life.

The reason why you even doubt that? reason 1) beacuse Brainchemistrys are different, so that makes the two points above meaningless, because for YOU it might be different and a Modern HYbrid might give you what fits your Brain.
But you asked in general, why should WE bother, so the two points are valuable. lol
And the Reason 2) why you doubt that is because old Strains collected in the 70s fall into inbreeding depression, as do your HYbrids, but Hbrids can be crossed out and still be similar. A Landrace will loose what it was: PURE.

But also many people hold more recent collected Landraces.. If you smoked that, then you might come to the conclusion you have seen it ll, but you havent.. Modern collected Landraces are IN MY OPPINION most of times a far cry from the original.

The good that i experienced a really really deep old LAndrace when it was still low generation, and thats why i can tell you that they are the strongest weed i had in my life. (and trust me i smoked todays Hybrids, its not really hard to get, and also elite stuff..

I wrote everything as claim in this post, but actully its just my oppinon, not ment as claim. Peace

 

[romanoweed]

Funy sidenote: some OLD 70s collected Landraces had also thcmeasurements of 25 percent, if thats so important.
The idea that Thc was low in every sample is wrong, and a myth measuring the average bud in the 70s, also they used another method, also they sampled the whole Plant instead of just the buds.. So,, its missleading to a good degree.. Today the guys just sample the Flowers from the most potent ever pheno they could create and we dont measure every single bud, sorry, full plant, thats in circulation.

 

[romanoweed]

I grew up with them talking 1970’s imported Colombians Jamaicans Mexicans & Thai plus lotta the glorious strains from the seed banks

yes, the problem with this is that it was IMPORTED. So this is the third reason why people might be misslead.

Imported means 3 months of shipping in a wet Cargo, or bagged around till half damaged.
People who smoked in Nam, those are occasionally firm believer in the ultimate power of Landraces.

And again: Brainchemistrys are different. This ultimate experience i had , my colleges smoking with me did not really feel as much interesse . So, there is no best bud for everyone.
It is very much known that some people get bad sideffects on Hybrid stuff, some others Sativa Landraces.
Its so individual.

 

[X15]

Marketing is a hell of a thing.
@RobFromTX I like what you said about shatter. Isn’t that some real shit.
Vape pens are confusing things even more. Think 10 years ahead and imagine what D8 is going to spin off lol.

Integrity and Naivety go hand in hand.
The dilemma is real, and very much lop-sided.

 

[flower~power]

yes, the problem with this is that it was IMPORTED. So this is the third reason why people might be misslead.

Imported means 3 months of shipping in a wet Cargo, or bagged around till half damaged.
People who smoked in Nam, those are occasionally firm believer in the ultimate power of Landraces.

And again: Brainchemistrys are different. This ultimate experience i had , my colleges smoking with me did not really feel as much interesse . So, there is no best bud for everyone.
It is very much known that some people get bad sideffects on Hybrid stuff, some others Sativa Landraces.
Its so individual.

Please don’t misunderstand me I know that it was good back then but if you look around you’ll find it’s still good (if not better today ) ..that’s just my opinion

 

[RobFromTX]

Marketing is a hell of a thing.
@RobFromTX I like what you said about shatter. Isn’t that some real shit.
Vape pens are confusing things even more. Think 10 years ahead and imagine what D8 is going to spin off lol.

Integrity and Naivety go hand in hand.
The dilemma is real, and very much lop-sided.

And very much unnatural

 

[Roms]

Deep Chunk seeded X18

 

[funkyhorse]

@funkyhorse I think you should transmute you talkative to patience and years of growing, an essential quality if you wanna find some good old pure NLDs specimens in each lines. And realize that you think to know but you know nothing according your hermies last hasty breeding with just a couple years of growing experience. It seems that you reproduce exactly the same schema that you denounce like a snake biting its own tail! Just take the time to do good selection and you'll go into the right direction of quality that you deserve.

I think that with time then your presumptuous newbie approach will realize the diversity of the cannabis in just one old line, do not only judge from the tip of the iceberg you can see and apprehend. Purples are everywhere and use to be generally less interesting it's true but a part of them can also be stellar and surprising, in every things the opposite remains and the growing of pure lines teaches you that. I think good luck or not is proportional to the love you give and the time you devote. Peace

Hi oldie
the ones who talk about presumptuosity are the presumptuous knowitalls
This is my best weed it was found in the winter grow. It grew side by side with RR
Haze from MadMac x Northern Thailand 2008 intersex
All progeny was firm. Quality is outstanding.
Breeding for sex is breeding against quality

@funkyhorse Santa Maria like Lambsbread aren't creepy or dark lol, they are exactly in the opposite illuminate high!

rastafari is not the only ganja religion. Santa Maria is a brazilian ganja religion
That garbage indica named Santa Maria is another lack of respect coming from european breeders
This is Santa Maria hymnarium

It is clearly obvious by the selections done by your collective that you guys have no clue about spiritual weed and you show it by selecting heavily towards purple or crossing sativas x indicas
For spiritual use, only creeper high weed works
The war on drugs was against creeper high weed. It is enlighting weed, drug quality. It has been poisoned by the biggest powers of this world
In Thailand and South America I used to roll spliffs using Rizla paper size 1. Use a filter and roll not filling much more than half length, making it equal to the size of the filter or a little longer. This is 3 toke weed
And there are many many qualities for creeper weed.
When you smoke creeper weed for more than 35 years and then you are introduced to all this hype about degraded weed, maybe newbies have a thing or two to teach to oldies because clearly oldies have fucked the canna pool big time.

The distance between being a preservationist to becoming a degradationist is very short. You only need to take spiritual weed and select it for purple and force outdoor creeper high weed to intersex indoors and cull all quality. You guys are great teachers. The only way to learn is to be humble when contemplating nature and reality

Have a nice weekend everyone

 

[smirnoff420]

Don't care about THC levels, still like the taste and smell of Northern lights.

 

[Roms]

Santa Maria is a brazilian ganja religion

For your info i think Santa Maria is Colombian and Gold so far to be creepy upside down weed lol

You seems to only know your creepy herb from Thailand lol ya don't know what is Gold weed like Santa Marta or Oaxacan from Mexico or Ethiopian, Malawi etc. Your presumptuous spectrum is to small to teach lessons man, take it easy!

And sorry but your pheno in pic looks really not good to me, creeper leafy as hell lol

Gold/Black vibes friendship of pure NLD declinaison

 

[lemonade]

It can be amusing, but also frustrating and kinda sad; bearing witness to some of the quacks and cuckoos that still permeate our cannabis community.

 

[flower~power]

Here’s some growers criteria, >>>> Must have potency , yield, flavor, smell , top quality heady effects , in no particular order…Also things like hybrid vigor is at the top of the list (that’s really important), also will it clone easily? … is it flimsy , or self supporting?is it a high maintenance , or low ? ? , easy to grow …? I don’t know about anybody else but I want to grow something that checks all the boxes …plus plus plus AAA AAA AAA above top shelf…. There’s lots of other things to consider as well

 

[harvestreaper]

spirittoyouall lol

 

[goingrey]

Hi oldie
the ones who talk about presumptuosity are the presumptuous knowitalls
This is my best weed it was found in the winter grow. It grew side by side with RR
Haze from MadMac x Northern Thailand 2008 intersex
All progeny was firm. Quality is outstanding.
Breeding for sex is breeding against quality
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rastafari is not the only ganja religion. Santa Maria is a brazilian ganja religion
That garbage indica named Santa Maria is another lack of respect coming from european breeders
This is Santa Maria hymnarium

It is clearly obvious by the selections done by your collective that you guys have no clue about spiritual weed and you show it by selecting heavily towards purple or crossing sativas x indicas
For spiritual use, only creeper high weed works
The war on drugs was against creeper high weed. It is enlighting weed, drug quality. It has been poisoned by the biggest powers of this world
In Thailand and South America I used to roll spliffs using Rizla paper size 1. Use a filter and roll not filling much more than half length, making it equal to the size of the filter or a little longer. This is 3 toke weed
And there are many many qualities for creeper weed.
When you smoke creeper weed for more than 35 years and then you are introduced to all this hype about degraded weed, maybe newbies have a thing or two to teach to oldies because clearly oldies have fucked the canna pool big time.

The distance between being a preservationist to becoming a degradationist is very short. You only need to take spiritual weed and select it for purple and force outdoor creeper high weed to intersex indoors and cull all quality. You guys are great teachers. The only way to learn is to be humble when contemplating nature and reality

Have a nice weekend everyone

This is the story of Santa Maria according to Cees from No Mercy Supply. He believes it to be of Californian origin.

THE ONLY REAL STORY OF THE SANTA MARIA.
（ February 2020 By SpeesCees ）

I think that serious breeders/cultivators are the only ones who don’t make serious money in Cannabisworld.
Some people start to make me out like a money wolf and they even use real bad names on me.
Just.. because I want a good price for F8 Santa’s.
They start to ask prices, so I send them a price list.
But then… it seems fast that they’re only interested in the F8 Santa’s !
And then… after I wrote them what the F8 will cost…. I’m the biggest idiot in the world and they gave me names I never hearth of.
The fools don’t understand that when they should be serious with me, that I can help them to come easy to a point they want.
But ones they do give me words and make me out for … pfffff, they even can’t become them for the highest price possible.
My pride is something they can’t take away from me.

Ok,… back to You and The Santa Maria’s.
Well, Planck was born just after I did save （you may call it to rescue ） the Santa’s thanX to Bernt Gundersen who did bring them to me in the form of 7 clones.
He was standing at 3 o’clock in the night on my door because he did not have a place to set them out in good pots under a good lamp.
They were stolen by Bernt, to be honest. （ Bernt was the head redactor of HighLife magazine.） Bernt did take 1.5 years to win their trust, and after a lot of visiting this Brazilian sect, they did show him their grow room and clone room.
Bernt did wear such an old big military jack with big pockets. So, the 7 clones landed in his pockets because he did know that it possible the only chance he would become to have those genetics.
This because he did know already that they did not have any seed of Santa Maria’s.
So they were going only on clones and didn’t know how to act to become pure, genetically 100% Santa Maria seed, since the guy who did bring them in, was not there anymore.

The story of some seedbanks and some idiots, that the Santa Maria should come forward out of a Brazilian strain, is bullshit.
People here in The Netherlands did think, a Brazilian sect, Brazilian name, some crazy people who did like to give the Santa’s their own name called Planck, （ They did make a big story out of it in the media ） and that the Santa’s did have a history in Brasilia!
No no no…. that’s a story they did makeup because the strain did need a name and a founder of that strain.
My investigation did bring me to California where the Santa’s for 90% sure did come from.
By now I don’t see much movement any more with the name Planck. Too much people did see already that this Planck was exactly like a Santa Maria. And they only could have found them by me.

In the beginning, this was not easy for me cause stolen….. is stolen ! Well, to be honest, right now it’s even not a serious item for me anymore.
They were going hard and fast over the human line as we all know. DON’T MISUSE WOMEN AND/OR CHILDREN !
They were doing crazy things with the women and children at the weekends when they had these spiritual happenings in the “Brazilian church” they did run. Well, women and children were sexually misused in a heavy way. The men who did play guilty did become a serious jail punishment.
After that…. I did not have any mercy for them and my frustration that they were stolen was gone !
The first I did anyway was manipulating 1 of them with gibberellic acid and that manipulated Santa did pollinate 3 of her sisters.
That did bring me like 430 pure female Santa Maria seeds.

And with that lot 100% female pure XX seeds of the mother herself （ I did keep the seeds from the mother I did manipulate, and who did also pollinate herself, apart ） It was easy to start the process of 8 times back to the mother to become her genetically 100% pure in seed. I also did start a line with an inbred strain from a Mexican haze X Silver Pearl. They were inbred to F3 if I’m well. So that did bring Santa Maria X Mexican Haze # Silver Pearl. The # is standing for inbred. But a lot of people don’t understand that cultivators sign. In the end…. That line was used for other things than bringing back the pure Santa Maria’s.
In this one, with clean XXy Santa Maria seeds, as they came from the founder his clones after treating them with G.A., I did not need to keep clones of the mother alive for 5-6 –7 years on two places to spread the risk. When I did need the mother for the next step, I just did have to germinate a few of these female seeds and picking out the best looking one from the start.

Oké… ones I was on the point of the F6… a big surprise was waiting. In science, they learn that F6 is back to pure again. Surprise… Cannabis doesn’t have rules made by people. Cannabis should be inbred to F8 to be genetically clean again. For that wisdom, I stick my hands in a fire if I’m wrong. A funny but very nice thing that did show up was that I discovered that first with the F6 generation they did start to give serious Phenotypes. So, the F8 generation is coming forward out of inbreeding but also by a no mercy way to select the wonderful Phenol’s to move on. And that was a very well move with great thanks to mother nature. （ I will send you a photo of little Santa Maria plants during the bringing up period. Just to show you how they are similar to each other ） So, shortly it’s like : The F8 Santa’s are coming forward out of just Pheno’s. And that’s a pleasure to see if they are growing up and flowering like there’s an extra motor in them. With no special tactics but pure natural.
And then: By accident, I did find out why I’m a fool sometimes! On a forum that I did start and fast left because my “partner” did show me already soon that his attentions were not then he told me. He just did need someone to become fast people on that forum, and he did like some…F8 Santa Maria !
We did have a contest on that forum with a nice prize for the winner. The question was easy: Who can find the most strains with Santa Maria genetics in that strain !? Man…. I almost went crazy! One guy already did find almost 250 strains with Santa in it !
And then….. I did wake up ! So… no more Santa Maria for the hobby growers or just the F3. This damned seedbanks did use some “hobby growers “ to order the Santa’s for hobby prices from me.
I will publish the list of strains with Santa’s in their genetics in the very near future. Did you know that the first successful auto flower was the Lowrider1 that did come out a Ruderalis X Santa Maria F8 !

The Lowrider2 was again a Lowrider1 X Santa Maria F8. They even use text and photos from my website. By now, believe me, at least 70% of all auto flowers do have Santa Maria in their genes.
The problem is that I’m still the flower power freak and I’m going at first with the mind full of trust. Well,… the seed banks and commercial breeders don’t know any mercy. It’s all just for the money. Even if they have to kill nice strains with good genetics.
Crossings with Ruderalis seems to me like a crime ! And the feminized seed is created by the use of that toxin silver water,
（Colloinaal water）, and that’s not a plant own stuff like gibberellic is. The third feminized generation is bringing already weaker plants. Some seed banks do have already feminized seed in the bank as back up for the strain. In time… when I’m dead already they will remember my words as I told them already for over 25 years.

I wrote this so detailed like it’s now, to have the Santa story straight on paper.
I’m tired to write it over and over again.
Excuse me for my poor English.

Cees / SpeesCees

FWIW Santa Maria was not used in the breeding of Lowryder 1, that part is incorrect. Lowryder 2 yes.