Are old genetics.. just plain out of date now?

[exoticrobotic]

Generally a preference for old vs new strains depends if you are old or new

I find older strains provide much more variety and nuances in the high compared to newer strains which of the dealer ones i have bought seem to provide a pleasant yet somewhat generic high.

The older strains have provided much of the building blocks for the newer strains but i feel we have evolved a generic high with a lot of the modern hybrids.

Where is that herb that pulses stronger and stronger in waves? The herb that you smoke and all of a sudden everything goes silent, your heart skips a beat, the world brightens and Wooaaahh... I'ma roll another!

Sounds like you have it @funkyhorse

 

[dank.frank]

not from USA, I can tell u that

We shall see about that. My [Cuban Black Haze x (A5 x Thai)] x A5(r) pheno - is some next level.



dank.Frank

 

[Finepointcanon]

There may be some good genes in those Skunkman beans on the bay. So far we have found a purple fruity pheno, and a green toffee pheno, in a cross I made from two different strains. That was from two abused plants I gave away. I call it SKOHLP.

Hey man, have you recently had any luck germinating those offers? I grew (ohaze x skunk) x op years ago and it was super nice. An old timer in my hometown accused me of giving him laced weed lol.

 

[Roms]

@funkyhorse I think you should transmute you talkative to patience and years of growing, an essential quality if you wanna find some good old pure NLDs specimens in each lines. And realize that you think to know but you know nothing according your hermies last hasty breeding with just a couple years of growing experience. It seems that you reproduce exactly the same schema that you denounce like a snake biting its own tail! Just take the time to do good selection and you'll go into the right direction of quality that you deserve.

I think that with time then your presumptuous newbie approach will realize the diversity of the cannabis in just one old line, do not only judge from the tip of the iceberg you can see and apprehend. Purples are everywhere and use to be generally less interesting it's true but a part of them can also be stellar and surprising, in every things the opposite remains and the growing of pure lines teaches you that. I think good luck or not is proportional to the love you give and the time you devote. Peace

 

[Finepointcanon]

You are writing this I dont know if you tried to erase it:

Hey there There’s nothing to elaborate I’m very familiar with the older strains of the 70s in the 80s just like I’m familiar with the strains of the 90s & the 2000s up thru today & I don’t look through anything with Rose color glasses…… my point is I just don’t want anyone automatically assuming just because something is “ old “ that automatically means that it’s “better“ cause it couldn’t be further from the truth… Evolution of moves forward & very rarely does it move backwards…People who think modern hybrids are not any good ihaven’t tried the right ones …I could see how people would think that is because there are so many of them and yeah there are a lot of crap out there but there was also a lot of crap everywhere

FP, I just learnt a couple of days ago this word from member Elanius
The weed of old I love so much had creeper high. My best current genetics are creeper high and I made them myself, I cant find them in the commercial canna world
Do you guys know which strains have creeper high?
Creeper high is the only spiritual weed, it is Santa Maria

For instance, I read about a sativa revival from 2007-2010
This is the time when the seedhunters arrived to southamerica only to find degraded genetics and making a lot of hype and bs out of it and this is what is being kept in usa
Look at lambsbread. The collective keeping it they all bred for purple bracts. Purple bracts is not spiritual weed and I am sure it has no creeper high.
Today it seems you hardly find green ones
The best genetics I have is from this time 2007-2010
Creeper weed landrace sent from Thailand by a swedish traveller stayed in the freezer in Denmark for 12 years and it was considered garbage because it goes intersex indoors. This is the kind of weed I would have sourced as a seedhunter. It is by far my best weed and it is the only creeper high I found. Crosses I am making with this strain are coming creeper high as well

This means for a reason or for another, breeders it doesnt matter if they are from Usa or not, breeding out of the tropics and out of their native environments are washing the genetics down and breeding far from effect quality
Breeding for sex is not breeding. Intersex traits remain in the line

I live in Thailand, and the last 3 bags of outdoor sativa that I've gotten have been creeper. The first hit's really goofy and pleasant, so you take 3 more hits and then suddenly the full effect of the first hit gets you and everything looks underwater and a little neon, like mushrooms though still goofy and pleasant, like a nice dream. This one has a real lemony/woody smell.

Second smells like earthy, woody spice. You take a hit and your head starts to sweat and your vision blurs and heart rate picks up so you think "Maybe this one isn't what I'm looking for", but after about 15-20 minutes the edgy side fades and a floaty, dreamy effect takes over. So you take 2 more hits and repeat. A joint of this will last me like 4 days.

Third has an effect nearly identical to the first (but a little less nice imo, only smoked it once) but it has an absurd strawberry syrup taste. Still creeper.

 

[Roms]

@funkyhorse Santa Maria like Lambsbread aren't creepy or dark lol, they are exactly in the opposite illuminate high!

 

[exoticrobotic]

Those first two look amazing @Finepointcanon

Love the detailed description of them

 

[Finepointcanon]

Thanks, I love weed lol. Yeah, I can't convince myself that the third is pure Thai yet. Last night is the first time I've tried it and it's barely dry, but I've just never ran into such a fruity syrupy flavor from heirloom strains before. The lemon? Sure. The woody spice? Absolutely. Synthetic cough syrup? Never before. The high like I said is similar to the first, but less "sparkly" if that makes sense. A bit more sit down and relax, which is present in Thais, but with a high level of cerebral stimulation. I need to ask my friend and smoke it a few more times. There are like 15 seeds with it, but if it's been crossed with a modern hybrid I may pass them along... Yeah right, I'll prolly still grow them because I'm curious lol.

First one is called "Wang Pha Green". I gotta ask about the others. I'm sure I'll make a smoke report soon for each. For now I want to keep my hands off it until it cures a bit.

 

[comfy markoth]

Modern stuff is prettier, more photogenic, is probably all.... maybe higher density of resin, but not necessarily better quality resin.

And- stuff like autoflowers (GOOD ones), high CBD genetics and weird genetics like freakshow, australian bastard cannabis and ducksfoot are available.

 

[revegeta666]

Oh well

 

[exoticrobotic]

Modern hybrids i see on the street are bred with the 9-5 working person in mind.

I prefer the 3am smokes.

 

[Pineboy212]

Honestly I started smoking weed n 91/92,can’t speak about earlier times but,I can definitely say that the weed did get better as time moved on,sour just elevated the power of its effects,og and blue dream the one that I sampled where one hit wonders(damn I’m old lol) u literally had to smoke it in a couple minute intervals because it was too strong u couldn’t smoke or take a hit when u wanted like with regular cultivars. I’ve never had any experience like that with this modern day cookie,cake and ice cream TERPED up stuff,really that part is what intrigues me those terps r fuckin insane gotta say that but I had to many different highs effects and strengths to be just caring about one strain or family of strains or effect or wave. I kno it’s a lot of different everything out there always been

 

[Switcher56]

FWIW, I have 17 strains I use in rotation, think of it as a different piece of ass. Mind you I grow weed medicinally. I can reach in to my medicine chest, and there is always a pill, that will get me there, where I need to go. Mari-pills weigh between 0.22 and 0.26g. I take 2/day, 6-7hrs apart. Each pill will take you on a beautiful 6 hr ride.

Was there good weed in the '70s? You bet! Unfortunately, there was a lot of shit out there as well. That being said, there is a fair amount of shit still out there. Why? The main focus these days is THC at the cost of all the other goodies the plant has to offer. I like my THC below 20% otherwise the strains are too damn racy.

 

[lemonade]

All of this is pretty darn subjective obviously.

However, i feel many fail to realize the “holy grail” strain(s) of years past are in some cases just nostalgia. It was the time, the place, the setting, the friends you shared with etc. The quality of the herb is important obviously, but don’t discount the power of nostalgia.

That and of course tolerance. Cannabis is a psychoactive substance, i.e. a drug. As human beings we develop tolerance to drugs.

I smoke mostly extracts these days. I find it doesn’t take long to get a pretty high tolerance, so i have to take breaks from time to time, or else i’m dabbing 1-2g of shatter per day while hardly getting a buzz, regardless of strain. Could be oHaze or DeepChunk extract doesn’t matter which or how many strains i rotate.

Tolerance and nostalgia are imo huge factors when it comes to this discussion.
Or rather, in most cases make it impossible to actually have a real, constructive discussion.

And for the record i love it all, from hashplants to 20 wk stuff. I don’t discriminate.

 

[Bio boy]

Strains come and go depending on popularity. Many people seek out old strains, even landrace, because of the particular high. Modern does not automatically mean good.

Also THC is a small part of the equation. Some 10% THC varieties are much better than some 25% varieties. There's much more than THC involved in the high. A lot of people are medical users and are after a particular effect. I personally use mostly older sativa varieties as I like them more.

Breeding (or pollen chucking) has created some great strains, but also reduced the differences between varieties, kind of a bland melting pot. I find a lot of modern strains bland or cause unwanted effects.

Literally years I sat here going man this smokes got no flavour anymore i assumed it was my smokers timg reducing flavour
I’ve grown n grown chasing flavours
then I smoke somthing someone has and it’s fire I wonder wtf is happening
he explained it’s a strain close to landrace and has tri-terpines and highest levels of cannibinoids he’s found

it tasted like biting a fruit not smoking essence of friggin evil strong stuff and was only 15% thc
here I am hunting some 30% to get higher and it doesn’t seem to lol yeah I may fall asleep faster but I’m not getting higher in a good way

I can see what you say here is golden I’ve recently learnt I need some of ace seeds Panama x banghI and golden tiger x Panama both look insane but also buds look different like what I would call shit sometimes but they have medicine lol and profiles I’ve never heard of I’m growing some old strains next time

 

[X15]

I’m just curious but I too don’t have a strong opinion on the matter, more so curious.
But @flower~power where did you grow up in the days you are speaking of? Like in the 70s and 80s 90s you’re speaking of.
That’s a huge spam in time lol.

 

[X15]

Everyone here talkin about cannabis like it’s some new thing lol. Man we all are just a blink in time and the plants are watching, laughing I’m sure.
Learn to respect and love the plant and you’ll see it’s all beautiful, just maybe not a perfect fit for you.
Cannabis is a mirror into one’s self. Some are not as clear as others though. (In my opinion)
And… those poor Hermies… are they not just evolving with the flow of society.

Much Respect!
NASA-

 

[CannaT]

This period (2006-2010) is kind of a transition period.

For the most part the new (now old) American genetics; OGs, Chems, and Sours were hoarded clone only varieties that most growers did not have access to.

But especially towards the end there were some breeders that were starting to work with them. DNA, Cali Connection, Kryptonite, OG Raskal, Reservoir Seeds... can't remember all but surely others others as well. If there are seeds like that in the collection I have no doubt there are phenos to be found in those seeds that can compete with anything contemporary in regards to cannabinoid or terpene content.

The vast majority were still growing older strains back then though. Haze hybrids were popular (Super Lemon Haze was introduced during this period for example). Blueberry hybrids, Bubblegum... Might not be quite as high in THC content or quite as loud. But are still very popular today with people growing headstash, it would seem based on the forums at least. Potency isn't everything. And the potency of these strains is still very high. Sure 20% is less than 30% but it's still a lot.

Bubblegum is not loud ?
My cut I grow is comparable to any OG,chem in pungency.
Its all about phenos.

 

[waveguide]

it's like the perfect thread for a new seed co. lol

i pretty much run whatever's oldest in my stash since i'm a preservationist with a small grow, it's tough to keep everything 8 years fresh or less. that's about where it is for some old school nirvana citral i don't run because it's superlatively sour, too much for me. i imagine that must be a plus somewhere. other things i'll lose because i have sensitive lungs and don't deal well with acrid, fugu kush which has so much eugenol that again, it's got to be good for something but not for me smoking.

but both of those are real informative to smoke, to nail the sense of this or that terpene. like i have beta caryophyllene madness afterwards you'll know it forever. they should be in a educational pack.

i've been running the same bubblegum for several generations, the latter are real frosty and solid and easy to smoke as i've dropped the terpene profile down to almost nothing. going back to 2016 on those next grow to see what i can find and fill it back out.

i try to cover the extremes and outliers for genetic diversity. it seems obvious to me that a system like commercial cannabis breeding is going to suffer selection bias like my bubblegum.

i think it gets close to board rules to discuss it, but srsly, respectfully to all the parties functioning within capitalism, can't we as a species, as humans, do better and take it to the level where somewhere, we can freely discuss and exchange our seeds yet? i can't imagine any time in my future life when i'm going to say i can spent $50 to buy some seeds, too lavish for my future. i don't produce enough to validate what i grow as a saleable product so nothing goes nowhere. maybe i'm a douche but it would be cool to live in a happy land where i could say, i've got this and this and this and send it to people, just because i can post on the internet, instead of watch these old seeds expire. i got some of my best genetics that way. that would be cool if that ever happened.

but yeah the modern world is concerning. preserving the old stuff that definately worked seems sensible.

 

[flower~power]

I’m just curious but I too don’t have a strong opinion on the matter, more so curious.
But @flower~power where did you grow up in the days you are speaking of? Like in the 70s and 80s 90s you’re speaking of.
That’s a huge spam in time lol.

high… I grew up on the northeast coast of USA and I started smoking marijuana in 1973 literally our only option was Mexican brick for $20 an ounce then in the mid 70s Colombian started circulating which was significantly better and it was $40 an ounce