any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom

[dansbuds]

I have been thinking about doing a system like that to maximize ceiling heights. Cat witch one do you use? So you basicly use the pump in the res to top feed and the pump in the box with the timer is the pump out for waist..... Is there anything else different about the set up? I've been thinking about the sentenal the blue one..... Don't know if that spelling is good

thats the one i planned on using was the Sentinal system . i never did buy it though . i only had veg set up for Flood & drain .

 

[packerfan79]

Been looking for a new nutrient. I am currently using canna coco a and B. I feel like I am throwing money away. The canna is similar in that you just raise the dose in flower. I feel like the higher nitrogen levels slow flower. Is anyone seeing longer flowering time with The v &b?

 

[dansbuds]

Been looking for a new nutrient. I am currently using canna coco a and B. I feel like I am throwing money away. The canna is similar in that you just raise the dose in flower. I feel like the higher nitrogen levels slow flower. Is anyone seeing longer flowering time with The v &b?

nope !

i used canna for quite awhile too , & the V&B beats the shit out of canna . for one thing you feed lighter than you would canna especially in flower . because of the high N . & to combat it in late flower you just cut the dose in half the week before your plain water feeds . it takes a little tweeking to get used to a 1 part nute , but its well worth it once you do ! especially coming from canna multiple expensive bottles !!!

 

[stoned40yrs]

Been looking for a new nutrient. I am currently using canna coco a and B. I feel like I am throwing money away. The canna is similar in that you just raise the dose in flower. I feel like the higher nitrogen levels slow flower. Is anyone seeing longer flowering time with The v &b?

I was running canna a&b before switching to V+B. Huge very noticeable improvement in the flowers- smell, taste, frost, yield, all the boxes. Do it like Dan says. There isn't a longer flowering time with V+B. 2 week flush and one week before that lower ec or you will see some foxtailing on some strains.

 

[packerfan79]

Thanks for the quick response Dan and 40. I assume you guys are using the v&b and not all the additives. I used there nutrient calculator and it was going to be like 650 bucks for 1 round. I almost crapped my pants.which formula are you using. My tap water is around .3 I grow in a shed so I can't really use my ro filter. No where for the waste water to drain. Plus I really don't like the all the water that gets wasted.

 

[packerfan79]

I guess I better place my order

 

[Aspenou812]

Thanks for the quick response Dan and 40. I assume you guys are using the v&b and not all the additives. I used there nutrient calculator and it was going to be like 650 bucks for 1 round. I almost crapped my pants.which formula are you using. My tap water is around .3 I grow in a shed so I can't really use my ro filter. No where for the waste water to drain. Plus I really don't like the all the water that gets wasted.

Most of us use the V+B RO, in coco. just use the base nutes, 100 will get you a 5 pound tub and your all set.

 

[Catatafish]

Dan i'll grab a pic when i can for you. Not recirculating ...just dtw. Its essentially using the ebb&flo system to remove the waste neatly. Also to save the few inches of headroom instead using a table. Tables arent very friendly in my room so its nice being able to move the plants around in the buckets as i please and not have to tramp all over the table to get to shit in the back.

For the canna folks....check out Plagron. I saved about 40% off the cost of canna using it in the past. Same formula just cheaper, i swear its probably made by the same manufacturer. Cocos A&B works a treat, no calmag. Not everyone carries it in teh states yet but there are a few that ship. Never did a head to head with V&B though.

 

[Aspenou812]

Dan i'll grab a pic when i can for you. Not recirculating ...just dtw. Its essentially using the ebb&flo system to remove the waste neatly. Also to save the few inches of headroom instead using a table. Tables arent very friendly in my room so its nice being able to move the plants around in the buckets as i please and not have to tramp all over the table to get to shit in the back.

For the canna folks....check out Plagron. I saved about 40% off the cost of canna using it in the past. Same formula just cheaper, i swear its probably made by the same manufacturer. Cocos A&B works a treat, no calmag. Not everyone carries it in teh states yet but there are a few that ship. Never did a head to head with V&B though.

Being able to move the plants around is the only thing I don't like about a scrog. A custom bucket setup would be great.... Do you drain to a dump res like I'm doing now?

 

[Catatafish]

I dont use the ebb&flo controller, not needed since we arent recirculating or bottom feeding. Instead i put a regular old 5gal bucket and plumb the the lines into it. When the system drips it comes out the bottom of the buckets thru the lines to the 5 gal bucket. In the 5 gal bucket is a pump with a float switch to remove the waste. You can watch teh EC from the 5 gal too without having to lift plants etc..

The bucket system isn't going to fix moving of scrogg'd plants....there still trapped

Its also a lot easier to hide 2 gal buckets than it is 4x4 flood tables just in case you had to break everything down on emergency.

 

[Catatafish]

I have been thinking about doing a system like that to maximize ceiling heights. Cat witch one do you use? So you basicly use the pump in the res to top feed and the pump in the box with the timer is the pump out for waist..... Is there anything else different about the set up? I've been thinking about the sentenal the blue one..... Don't know if that spelling is good

Im lost.... whats a sentenal blue? E&F controller (not needed for dtw)? I thought they just made enviro controllers?

Aspen, its the same setup Asslover runs. He turned me on to it.

 

[dansbuds]

Thanks for the quick response Dan and 40. I assume you guys are using the v&b and not all the additives. I used there nutrient calculator and it was going to be like 650 bucks for 1 round. I almost crapped my pants.which formula are you using. My tap water is around .3 I grow in a shed so I can't really use my ro filter. No where for the waste water to drain. Plus I really don't like the all the water that gets wasted.

at .3 outa the tap , the soft water formula would be fine & you probably won't need any calmag on the hog strains .

 

[dansbuds]

I dont use the ebb&flo controller, not needed since we arent recirculating or bottom feeding. Instead i put a regular old 5gal bucket and plumb the the lines into it. When the system drips it comes out the bottom of the buckets thru the lines to the 5 gal bucket. In the 5 gal bucket is a pump with a float switch to remove the waste. You can watch teh EC from the 5 gal too without having to lift plants etc..

The bucket system isn't going to fix moving of scrogg'd plants....there still trapped

Its also a lot easier to hide 2 gal buckets than it is 4x4 flood tables just in case you had to break everything down on emergency.

is your 5 gallon collection bucket below the 2 gallon buckets ? not sure how the waste would flow into a buck above the waste level without a pump .

 

[Catatafish]

same level. the inside buckets allow enough room between outside buckets for waste to fill enough of the 5 gal so the float switch is activated and pump removes waste from system.

The outside bucket has drainage system that allows the flow to a lower level of the tubing.

Its hard to explain but there is enough room for drainage under buckets/plant that will allow the level throughout the entire system to level off and fill enough of the 5gal with pump to activate.

https://www.hydroponics.net/i/273005
This is all you really need besides drain pump and 5 gal and your feeding equipment. Dont pay for that expensive ass controller.

https://www.hydroponics.net/items/details/multiflow.php
Should give basic idea, if you look at the first picture in the animated gif, you can see the water evens out across all buckets which would include your 5gal. Just an inch or so in there kicks on the drain pump.

I have never tried to recirculate with it or coco but could be doable with the controller if you wanted.

 

[ThaMagnificent]

I take it a little further and run 1gal pots inside my 2gal hydrofarm ebb and gro buckets. I cut out a piece of styrofam and lay it on top and just drop the 1gal right in

 

[Aspenou812]

Thanks Cat that's solid information. Thanks I may end up doing the back half of my room with a custom system.

 

[dansbuds]

i already have the fabric pots that fit inside the net pots on the flo n gro system , so i could fill those with coco & drop them right in the system buckets .

 

[Aspenou812]

Im lost.... whats a sentinel blue? E&F controller (not needed for dtw)? I thought they just made enviro controllers?

Aspen, its the same setup Asslover runs. He turned me on to it.

Yea sentinel makes a hydro system, probably the best designed and unfortunately the highest priced EBB and FLow Bucket system there is. I thought long and hard before i made my system...... I just went another direction with the scrog, i have space for two lights in that room i'm in now, not sure if ill do something different or duplicate the system i have. Its working great!

 

[dansbuds]

this is the titan system , same as the sentinal , but these systems have the square pots & net pots that my fabric pots sit in . they also have the 6 pot expansion kit like the one you showed Cat .

http://www.bghydro.com/flo-n-gro-ebb-flow-12-site.html?utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKEAiAq8bEBRDuuOuyspf5oyMSJAAcsEyWOVrsRMvRVk_8CmhTToV6tRrNYJ8SgCSxLkBnKcw6ERoCA1rw_wcB

http://www.hydrogalaxy.com/pots-containers/titan-controls-flo-n-gro-6-cell-expansion-kit-702785/?gclid=CjwKEAiAq8bEBRDuuOuyspf5oyMSJAAcsEyWqDGvoXNaPekQRGQHMdklwmnI_vBGtALyZkDyh-n8VRoCLCHw_wcB

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[Aspenou812]

Here it is Cat
the sentinel mef, the thing that's really appealing for me is you can run any media except dirt, in the buckets the tubing is reinforced kink free, the buckets drain fully due to the bottom drain and the controller is built just like there environmental controllers.