Waterlab420
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You'll be fine!!! Can I ask why added nutes so early????
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Lunix79
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Lol, they will be fine is my mantra!! Along with LTTFA...!!!
Not started on nutes yet, not even watered
it's just that some people have found soils to be too hot from canna terra pro for some autos? Although i must say, the leaves to look slightly wet on somango and high density, so sticking with that as a diagnosis atm. Gotta go away for 5-6 days..looking at pots, my guess is they need a water in 3-4 days....better to:
A. Bottom feed water?
B. use capillary water system with plugs into the soil?
C. Water as normal from top, but only a little with no run off?
I am going to add just a little molasses and sea weed (when i say a little, i mean a little!!) to the next batch, not for plant but for soil
Waterlab420
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Oo tough call I would just top feed around the edges.
One thing I always found useful is seedling warmer matts. They plug in and gently heat the soil from the bottom, providing an ideal temperature for young roots. While a fan blowing on them is necessary, it can cool the soil quite a bit below ambient room temperature due to evaporation. Ive found this especially so when growing seedlings in large pots.
Do a google search for "seedling warmer mat" and you'll see what Im talking about. Just set your planters on top and it should help boost growth in these crucial early stages.
Im interested im seeing how the LEDs treat you! Best of luck
Do a google search for "seedling warmer mat" and you'll see what Im talking about. Just set your planters on top and it should help boost growth in these crucial early stages.
Im interested im seeing how the LEDs treat you! Best of luck
Lunix79
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Went with a very tiny amount, just to dampen the top of the soil...the plants still looked stressed from overwatering...
I did however leave the auto-watering inserts in the soil - just in case!! :-/
Left them home today for a few days...some proper LFTFA should do them plenty of good!
Welcome to my grow - if you are looking for plenty of problems, there will be plenty! Lol :-/
Thanks for the input!! I have thouht about those, also to dry the soil a little faster when needed at seedling stage - will they also work on full sized pots well enough? Being auto's, i planted straight in final pots (in theory! Never know what te future might bring?)..might get some for my next grow if you think they'll heat into 20-30cm of earth!! I adore the idea of keeping the roots nice and cosy!
Lunix79
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Ciao bello! Piacere di averti nel mio posto!! Spero di riuscire ad esser un oste buono come te!
Ho preso delle fotoprima di partire da casa (sono a sud ora dalla mammina!!)
Ora sono sull'ipad, ma domani carico!! Sono finalmente contento (si fa x dire, ma almeno ora ho capito) di sapere x certo che ho seminato con il terreno un po' troppo bagnato! Le piantine dovrebbero stare ok alla lunga, ma forse un poco mini...vabbene xò, il mio target ê..me stesso!! Ed io ormai non fumo piû come una volta....quindi mi basta che il prodotto duri fino al prossimo raccolto!!
Lunix79
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Photos - Day 8
Photos - Day 8
So, here ar ethe photos taken yesterday. They are all looking like new growth is coming along nicely, only the High Density appears to be struggling a little still with chlorosis. now...5-6 days on their own, I am sure they will appreciate not being disturbed!!
Photos - Day 8
So, here ar ethe photos taken yesterday. They are all looking like new growth is coming along nicely, only the High Density appears to be struggling a little still with chlorosis. now...5-6 days on their own, I am sure they will appreciate not being disturbed!!
Lunix79
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Waterlab420
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Getting there! How old are they???
Lunix79
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Hi man, sorry, only saw this now! They were day 8-9, cannot remember exactly :-/
I have had desaster strike while I have been away - the boiler broke down, so the temps in the house dropped drastically (recorded min in room was 13....) and the plants dried out too much! :-/
Poor things...just as they were supposed to get their strengths back...the Somango actually looked totally OK, the Flash not 100% but has grown somewhat..the HighDensity and Pink grapefruit I feared the worst...here are the pics.
I fast tracked some water (p.h 7) after airing it for 3 hrs with a pump. Have to say they look a lot happier, but pretty much drank all the water already.
Looks like a little nutrient burn goinbg on as well, but I know that is prob down to the fact I did not let the soil "cook"....if the plants survive another 2 weeks, I should be OK!
I have given more water today, with traces molasses and seaweed for a little food for the soil...I guess it's just "wait and see"....if anuyone has any ideas, very open to them of course!
Waterlab420
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Not much more can do. I think they'll pull through . Only problem with autos any step effects the final yield!
Lunix79
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I know, it's my main concern too ..I hve everything crossed! As long as one pulls theough and gives me anything upward of 30g and the others chip in a little, i'll be ok till net grow.....
Nervous
Waterlab420
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I know, it's my main concern too ..I hve everything crossed! As long as one pulls theough and gives me anything upward of 30g and the others chip in a little, i'll be ok till net grow.....
Nervous
Ya hey it is what it is!
I think they'll be fine though!! I'm crossing everything for ya!
Lunix79
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Lol, many thanks!!! It's working, i think the HDensity is recovering and growing, albeit slowly. Somango looking good too, Flash has me puzzled as it is growing quite fast - but showing nute burn at same time? The PG is the one I am really concerned about tho...it's first set of leaves have browned and it is really struggling to put new nodes through....
QUESTION
once they get out of seedling stage, albeit stunted in growth, am I correct in assuming nutrient burn will lessen and finally vanish? Pretty sure that is the case... But need reassuring atm! Lol
Lunix79
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DAY 20 (&13)
OK, I have taken them out for some pics...taken just as the light went off, so a little droopier than usual.
the PG is not looking very happy at all...i have very low hopes for it, even though it is still growing...just! all yello pretty much, weird
The HD seems to have recovered, though still obviously very stunted.
The Flash (Ignore the Krippleberry tag...it is just in memory! ) has grown a fair bit and would be looking only a little behind schedule...but that change to yellow doesn't spell anything good...
OK, I have taken them out for some pics...taken just as the light went off, so a little droopier than usual.
the PG is not looking very happy at all...i have very low hopes for it, even though it is still growing...just! all yello pretty much, weird
The HD seems to have recovered, though still obviously very stunted.
The Flash (Ignore the Krippleberry tag...it is just in memory!
) has grown a fair bit and would be looking only a little behind schedule...but that change to yellow doesn't spell anything good...
Lunix79
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The Somango is the only one giving me some joy
growth is decent, thoguh not super rapid. It is showing some signs of nute burn/overwatering, but on the whole it's doing ok - at least compared to the others!
OK, we shall see what happens over the next 10-14 days...in theory I'd like to lst the Somango, the first sites are appearing for lateral growth, but as it's stressed already I might have to leave this for now.
I have also mixed the soil for next grow and watered..it is now going to cook for about 8 weeks, which should avoid all the probs I have had this time round. That, and growing the seedling in some proper seedling mix alone for the first 2 weeks.
I am convinced that is why the Somago is happier than the others - I managed a much better cavity for the seeding soil to be unmixed..in the others it was mixed a little...these autos sure are sensitive to nutes at the beginning...I guess the ruderalis traits would mean that in wildlife the seedling would sit in very poor soils to begin with?
Anywyas - I knew indoors was different...but I NEVER thought, having had so many successful (if not astronomical nothing major apart from pests was a problem!) outdoor grows, that I would have so many problems indoors!!!
OK, we shall see what happens over the next 10-14 days...in theory I'd like to lst the Somango, the first sites are appearing for lateral growth, but as it's stressed already I might have to leave this for now.
I have also mixed the soil for next grow and watered..it is now going to cook for about 8 weeks, which should avoid all the probs I have had this time round. That, and growing the seedling in some proper seedling mix alone for the first 2 weeks.
I am convinced that is why the Somago is happier than the others - I managed a much better cavity for the seeding soil to be unmixed..in the others it was mixed a little...these autos sure are sensitive to nutes at the beginning...I guess the ruderalis traits would mean that in wildlife the seedling would sit in very poor soils to begin with?
Anywyas - I knew indoors was different...but I NEVER thought, having had so many successful (if not astronomical nothing major apart from pests was a problem!) outdoor grows, that I would have so many problems indoors!!!
Waterlab420
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It happens, should of seen my first indoor grow. Lol was a mess!!!! Autos prob werent best choice for first indoor grow as once a mistake is made well like previously stated no time to recover it.
But they should pull through! Remember theres 4 diff strains there so there all gonna grow at diff rates. Im hoping they all pull through for ya!
Lunix79
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Thank my friend, I hope so...butnot so sure....
Today a little knowledge is taking away the guesswork..
I was impatient for my first indoor grow- as a consequence, as you pointed out, it's turning out to be a mess!! :-/ lol (nervous lol btw!
)my biggest mistake was not measuring my initial soil pH AS WELL AS not letting it "cook". (Didn't have pH meter at time and just wanted to get started - after all, never had soil probs in past...(darn selfed assurance!)
let me explain why it was my impatience and what I think is happening.
Today I flushed my plants as suggested, and actually measured the run off....my soil is at 7.2 for the HD, 8.1 (!!!!!!!!!) for the PG. To be fair to the soil testers, they were indicating high pH in those sort of regions, but they begun on 6.5 and having read so much about how inaccurate they are I just put it down to cheap readers.
Also I had put the problem of the seedling down to overwatering (which they were to an extent, but obviously not too bad and nothing I have not done before. I know my soil drains well,which I had observed but decided to ignore for some subconsciously convenient, wishful reason...too much water is an easy fix after all!), when the signs are prob nutrient deficiency. though could well be some burn there too!. Nute lock is the obvious candidate for me (sigh).
Calcium/mag maybe potassium as well? Need to read up what locks out at high pH.
I should've just let this run start in normal soil and then cure deficiencies through teas/topfeeding, while this batch of mix sat and went through its pH swings as the different nutrients (pelletised vs. powder for eg.) released into the soil from the fertilisers, and use it in next grow . Incidentally, that is what I have done! So in 6-8 weeks there will be some sweet stuff....though I have been reading so much about top-feeding and seen AMAZING results (but then, is that not true for many differing techniques? The beauty and attraction to the indoor for me was here, so many more variables to control with so many different results for each setup! Crazy little scientist in me coming out again hehe), which means I might use it as a top feed only...it really makes sense to me as it sort of replicates nature...but I have time to think that over!
woha - what was supposed to be a short post turned out in a book! Apologies...and I hope it makes sense...been "busy" while typing!
Gotta run do the somango now....
