12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow

[munkie]

Hey guys, my buds are finally dry and have been in jars for 2 days now. I weighed everything when I first cut and they were still on the big stems... 720g's I dried them for 4 days in my cab and the buds were crispy (I was worried I dried too much) stems were on the verge of snapping but not just yet. So I trimmed everything off the big stems and put it in jars. By the next day they were moist again and super sticky! I've been poppin the jars at least twice a day for a while at a time. I weighed them again and it came to 5oz 21g. Note that I had smoked about 18g's off one of the plants already before my full harvest... (I know, I know) so 6 zips and 11g's is my total for 6 plants at 12/12 from seed under a 250!



So far, the white rhino gives me the best body buzz, but the bagseed keeps me stoned for a while, especially from the roor which I got today!!

Left is bagseed, right is white rhino.



My next batch, no 12/12 from seed this time... 4 skywalker (dutch passion) and 2 white rhino.

 

[Mad HattersWrld]

Nice finish dude...with the Roor, good pickup. Math come out to almost .70 grams per watt, no scrog no veg, that isnt bad at all.

 

[Hal]

Munkie...

Sweet looking bud! Excellent results...you did the 12/12 method proud. I am wondering why you are choosing to not use the 12/12 method on this upcoming grow. Haggis also made the same choice, even though he got more than an ounce off his one small plant.

can ya illuminate?

 

[munkie]

Well, a few reasons. Last grow I did 12/12 because I needed to start growing as soon as possible and my plants from last grow werent done. This time around I had the space and lighting to start veg even before my harvest, so if veg = slightly bigger plants and I have the time, then why not.

Another reason is that it was kind of hard to LST these plants because new growth would harden quickly, so the stem wasnt as bendable. In my limited cab space I need to be able to keep them as low as possible. (Im working with 3.5 feet height and my light, filter and fan take up about a foot!

The last thing was that my timing was all messed up, I wasnt sure when first week of flower was because I hadnt done a proper switch from veg.

This is not to say I wont grow like this again, but this next round is only my third grow ever so Im still experimenting with the ways.

 

[Hal]

Gotcha.

Seems sensible. Don't be a stranger...keep on visiting, see how things progress here, check out the strain reports, etc.

You do an excellent job with the amount of height you have to work with...very impressive.

 

[Hal]

I Got Balls...day 14

I Got Balls...day 14

Spotted some male flowers on one of my Northern lights today (99% sure) which is the 14th day of its life. The first time I grew this strain it showed pretty early too, lets see when the girls start showing. Hopefully soon.

 

[muddy waters]

wow hal that's early... i have some 2nd gen nirvana ppp under 11/13 from birth and i must be approaching day 30 and no sign of sex at all yet. i'll post some pics when they're a little bit older.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

My grow has been plagued with problems as one can expect using MG soil with seeds. but here we are at day 55 from seed, 25 days from when the first plant showed flowers. That would be her in the middle with all the pistils.

 

[chosen]

I think these are at day 16. Mango from Nirvana 12/12 from seed. These are kind of an experiment. They are in an aeroponic system with a tea made from castings, guano,alfalfa meal,crab meal, beneficial bacteria, molasses, and humic acid. Let's see how this organic thing goes.

 

[Guest]

Some good looking plants, Chosen.

I have to chop one of my "regular" plants tonight, "it" became a "he". So I will place the 9 seedlings I have in 12/12 in the spot vacated by the guy. I am just amazed at the rate of growth, even though it's easily explained by both the 1K HPS and the fact that I'm not killing plants as frequently as I was! Will take more pictures tonight. Germing 24 more seeds now, most are just breaking the surface. I give them a couple days under fluoros to unfurl, then they go under the big light. I think I'll eventually fill a couple Wonder Tubs with soil and just grow in them, just curious how everyone fills in the holes (if you do) left by male plants? Maybe start a few extras off to the side and transplant them?

I just like the variety of this method, not limited to the mothers/clones I have on hand, can just pop some bagseeds and see what I get. If it's sub-par bud, I could always make hash, right? I suppose that I'll eventually run out of bagseeds, unless I make more, but that's not going to happen for a few months, at least!

later, flip

 

[Hal]

balls, balls, everywhere...and not a pistil to see.

balls, balls, everywhere...and not a pistil to see.

Damn! Well, the 3 northern lights plants all seem to be male. I'm not sure about 1 of 'em, but it seems to be leaning toward the macho side.

Still have 3 haze skunks and 2 fruitbowls to show. Please...please....please, as James Brown might say.

This does point out one potential problem with this method, and it only comes into play if trying to get a small garden going, but if you only sprout a few seeds, and have some bad luck, you might not get the number of girls you were hoping for.

C'es la vie.

 

[Guest]

however, the turn around time to germ and show sex from seed with this method makes up for a bad ratio in a small garden. and with only going 12/12 from seed you only need 1 chamber so you can have plants finishing all the time if you just keep germing as males show up and are removed.

 

[atmosphere]

Hey atmosephere have you grown kali mist 12/12?
I would like to know results if you have :Thanks

Andyo

no haven't yet

 

[atmosphere]

day 14 :

spotted the first males , thats sooner than i expected .




plants are low and wide like i wanted them to be . Some are only 2 inches in height and 8 inches wide. Nice little monsters !!

@hal ; Indica dominant strains show sex earlier than sativa dom strains , sometimes a lot earlier.

 

[muddy waters]

I think these are at day 16. Mango from Nirvana 12/12 from seed. These are kind of an experiment. They are in an aeroponic system with a tea made from castings, guano,alfalfa meal,crab meal, beneficial bacteria, molasses, and humic acid. Let's see how this organic thing goes.

man chosen, bad-ass setup! i'd be curious to know how that setup works with a tea made from castings alone, in higher quantity perhaps, with a little molasses now and then. good castings should already have plenty of beneficial bacteria and humic acid.

plants look very content, by the way.

 

[muddy waters]

however, the turn around time to germ and show sex from seed with this method makes up for a bad ratio in a small garden.

some seedlings though are slow growers, and lower lighting levels in some micro-cabs (like mine!) will make things take a little longer. if you are working with an indica-dominant, F1 and got them right under the lights, it can be very quick like hal and atmosphere have shown.

and with only going 12/12 from seed you only need 1 chamber so you can have plants finishing all the time if you just keep germing as males show up and are removed.

yup that's the basic idea. but remember that if you're working with smaller lights, you need an arrangement where the new seedlings can get plenty of light, or their development and growth tips will suffer a little.

i may be wrong but the pic atmosphere just posted with the very nice, healthy, squat plants is a different arrangement than the pic he posted a while ago when i asked him about this subject, with a plant on the side of the cab, not directly under the lights.

 

[atmosphere]

Correct , its a different arrangement in the last pics . Its my latest grow that i started in an empty cabin this time.

 

[chosen]

Thanks Muddy... Maybe I'll try that with my next batch. I have some afghani coming right behind those larger plants. I'm hoping for more females,but at least 1 male inorder to try out some seed generating along with my setup. What amount of castings would you suggest? My system is an aeroponic hybrid system. The sprayer hits the pots but once the roots drop they are directly in the reservoir. I like it better than regular hydro,because it sort of acts like a backup once the plants are established in case of outage or sprayer clog(which never seems to happen).

 

[muddy waters]

Correct , its a different arrangement in the last pics . Its my latest grow that i started in an empty cabin this time.

atmosphere, could you give us any idea of the difference in growth rate between fully lit seedlings and those that are positioned off to the side in a perpetual harvest-type scenario? it seems pretty dramatic to me but again i am growing with fluoros right now, that may be why.

Thanks Muddy... Maybe I'll try that with my next batch. I have some afghani coming right behind those larger plants. I'm hoping for more females,but at least 1 male inorder to try out some seed generating along with my setup. What amount of castings would you suggest? My system is an aeroponic hybrid system. The sprayer hits the pots but once the roots drop they are directly in the reservoir. I like it better than regular hydro,because it sort of acts like a backup once the plants are established in case of outage or sprayer clog(which never seems to happen).

hey chosen, the amount of worm castings is tough to judge because castings' nutritional value is a reflection of what they were made with. it can range from 4-4-4 or .1-.1-.1 or something like that. i think the best method would be using a conservative dose and waiting to see any deficiencies, then slowly upping it. i also predict that you will have some sprayer clogging because those conditions are just too perfect for the development of a healthy bio-film. i'm not sure btw if your plants would survive an outage in that setup--has that happened to you before? and oh yeah, kudos for making seed with those afghanis, if it's your first time i recommend also crossing the afghani male to something else so you can see that amazing F1 hybrid vigor.

 

[chosen]

I have a 15lb sack of castings right now. Yet, they are only 1-.002-.002. Where would you get castings that are 4-4-4. I've run these systems indoors and outdoors. It rarely clogs. Sometimes the sprayers stop running due to the water level being to high and the roots get into the sprayer.I check my prefilter on my pump every 7-10 days. Once the roots are hanging down in the res, the plants takeoff.