Zenith feminized limited edition

[dubi]

I'm in!

Welcome on board @Boss Cocky

@dubi,
What sort of ratio of the "climbing the walls" pheno to the "levitating on cotton wool" pheno can we generally expect?
Also, I'd like to take a guess at which is which from the terpene analysis reports. I'm guessing that Zenith E and 5 are "climbing the walls" and Zenith 1 and 4 are levitating on cotton wool."

hehehehhe 2 and 3 are "climbing the walls" phenos, 4,5 and E "levitating on cotton wool" phenos, 1 in the middle.

I'm outdoor only these days, and I was considering whether to pop the pack now and throw them straight in to flower (Southern Hemisphere), or whether to be patient and wait until next season due to the minimal stretch in the short pheno. If I was in your position, I would have probably run them untopped and bent over the tall ones.

Better wait for the main season so genetics can show their full potential from seed

 

[dubi]

Looks wonderful in mid flowering @island_organics Glad the scents are already complex and loud! Beautiful structure, and promising yield! What a difference since your previous update! Keep slightly increasing ec (still with nitrogen) if you detect any soft yellowing of the overall plant, at least until last reflowering is ripening.

 

[OZZ_]

@dubi Thinking of popping these next. What kind of EC are we looking at in peak flowering? 1.8ish?? Higher possibly even around 1.9-2.0 or is that pushing too hard?

Seems the Zamaldelica, Malawi and panama I’ve grown in the past didn’t like to go much above 1.8 but the description here makes it sound like these might like a tad more?

 

[Mtn. Nectar]

one on left looks more throwback to … Malawi ?
doing well once tapped into real soil like most sats…
ganj on

 

[Lotto]

Zenith, 90 days from seed, in 1st picture. Second pic is left to right, Pangi, Panama red pheno X Mountain Gold and Zenith. All 3 have the Goddess in their blood.

Zenith was very slow out of the box but picked up steam after a few weeks. It was not topped but roped down a bit. Can't say how it will fill out but suspect it could be as large as Pangi usually gets.

This grow saw much neglect on my part. From a questionable soil mix to poor fertilization to missed waterings these plants are not in peak form. Grown inside under bright white SIL's. Just goes to show how top notch genes still power through.

How Ace uses Panama Goddess both as a male and female in their crosses is not like throwing darts. Selection and keen observation takes the guess work out of what they do. Thanks Dubi and Ace.

 

[dubi]

Zenith...47th degree of latitude, I'll try, trying is better than studying
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That's an ACE collection @wuluz thank you very much for your support! What are you planning to run this year ? Zenith is probably a bit too long flowering for your latitude, but others like Lebanese and Auto Malawi x NL will work great!

 

[dubi]

That strain sounds like Frankenstein Panama on steroids ! I will never try it, that's for sure !

I've tried Panama and it was certainly an absolute blast. But retrospectively I can clearly see how, despite the instant fun, it is detrimental to me on the long run. The outpour of energy made me slightly manic, getting up, dancing, laughing in an uncontrolled way and completely blew away my ability to focus. Just wow ! It really was an atomic bomb in my brain. The positive is that it widened my view about how rich and diverse the cannabis experience is as I would never have expected cannabis could be so energetic and it made me curious about tropical strains . But it's too much for me to handle so I'll never use Panama again. I prefer more gentle and rounded sativas such as ACE's Ethiopean which I grew this winter and was very fond of ! It's a pity though about Panama I was originally so enthralled by it that I reproduced the strain. I could use it in a breeding project though since it has a lot of desirable qualities : potency, very productive and super lush velvet smooth incense/sage aroma. So that new Zenith strain is not something I care to try but on the other hand I'm not surprised ACE came up with it, it was very clearly the direction they were heading for. I mean Golden Tiger, Zamaldelica all that craze with Malawi and Panama hybrids etc... Zenith is the logical next step. And it's just cool to see a commercial breeder getting past the NL/SKunk/haze syndrome and invigor the scene with new quality genetics !

But even if I won't use Panama again, or if i'll never try Zenith doesn't mean other people shouldn't if they want to and use it responsibly.

This being saif if anyone finds a "floating in space" pheno, I'm in !

heheheh really like your post @Lebanizer although you said you are a bit scare of trying Zenith ...it's kinder than Panama and doesn't have the heavy feeling of Panama red phenos. I'm with you that one should be careful using daily strong sativas for long periods, it can be challenging for the mind, and it's not suitable for everyone ... i've been deep into our latest released Panama hybrids for the last half year and honestly i'm exhausted and enjoying it at the same time.

 

[dubi]

So that is basically after 1 week- 10 days under a 100w cob 4k led in a mixture that was way to soft!

1 week later 21/2 Za bottom left Zo bottom right View attachment 18825224

week 4 8/3
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Right from the off the 2 seedlings were a bit different so I'll put down what I noticed to help distinguish the phenoes but it's pretty obvious. Out the ground za was a bit slower with zo popping and reaching for the light within a few hours. Za has more rounded leaves and zo has more pointed, sharper (sat like!) leaves) and at this stage growth was about the same. again I'd expect most of your plants to be ahead of mine at this stage.
I flipped on Friday 17th march but I always start the flowering countdown from the following Sun/mon so flowering started on 20/3/23. This pic is from 17th:

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and these 2 are from 28/3 1 week into flower. I always have a cal mag issue, either too much or too little but there is basically sod all I can do as the water is very very hard (leave the water for a day and you can write on blackboards with it!). It doesn't; cause any problems and so far za hasn't had any signs and just a bit on the other 3. The TS are from 2017 i think so I think top left is an OT haze and top right poss a Panama and not dissimilar to Zenith - remember they have 2 weeks on the Zenith:
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They are on 12/12 under 2x200w quantum boards and I can add a couple of 100w ufos or hps to supplement the lighting if needed. Good luck with your grows and i'll try and update once a week prob on Wednesdays.
ed - forgot to say all are topped apart from za.

Thanks for your support and for dedicating your grow to our genetics @Zumurrud calina
How did the 2 Zenith finish ? The other 2 on the top look very tropical, are they tropical mix ?

 

[dubi]

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Out of 25 plants in veg, the Zenith #1 just doesn’t seem to be thrilled either with soil, very mild feed, or whatever. Not sure what her problem is atm.

Thanks @Ur Humbl Nr8tor friend, it's really touching for me to realize how you have been through most of our catalogue, from the old Haze x Thais to the new Zenith means a lot to me.

Your young Zeniths are showing clear signs of underfeeding since your previous update (check also ph just in case). I don't like the symptoms of the odd one, or it's a serious case of ph imbalance or a broad mite (Polyphagotarsonemus latus) infection, hopefully it's the first case, please check ph and quality of the soil!

 

[dubi]

Thanks a lot for choosing our new releases Zenith and Super Panama Haze for your current grow and for your support all these years @Keif Cake much appreciated!

Looks to me like a Ca/Mg imbalance, glad to see the plants sorting out the problem after the transplant. The one with thinner-reddish stems looks like got more Meao Thai influence for the structure, the others have the robust, tamed bearing most Zenith do have.

Happy to hear they are already 10 days into 12/12. Check frequently ph, feed generously adding Ca/Mg too. All the best for the flowering stage!

 

[dubi]

Zenith 1

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Zenith 2
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Both Zeniths look lovely @OntologicalTurn and based on the structure probably siding to different phenotypes with different structure and qualities for finished product, #2 looks like the compact early flowering pheno, while #1 seems taller and longer flowering.

Let's see how they react to outdoor conditions and under current photoperiod there

 

[dubi]

Happy to know you chose Zenith for this grow @Zomboy and that you are already flowering 3 girls for 2 weeks

Please, keep us updated!

 

[dubi]

@dubi Thinking of popping these next. What kind of EC are we looking at in peak flowering? 1.8ish?? Higher possibly even around 1.9-2.0 or is that pushing too hard?

Seems the Zamaldelica, Malawi and panama I’ve grown in the past didn’t like to go much above 1.8 but the description here makes it sound like these might like a tad more?

Thanks @OZZ_ really happy you are satisfied with the selections you are doing of our genetics and that you want to keep exploring our latest works, after experiencing Malawi, Panama and Zamaldelica i'm sure Zenith won't dissapoint you and will put new expressions into the table.

Regarding feeding, i would say Zenith can eat like the hungriest Panama red expressions (1,8-2 flowering peak) and certainly more than most Malawis and Zamaldelicas

 

[wuluz]

That's an ACE collection @wuluz thank you very much for your support! What are you planning to run this year ? Zenith is probably a bit too long flowering for your latitude, but others like Lebanese and Auto Malawi x NL will work great!

I like ACE, there is no burnout or anything afterwards, you get what is promised!!
Auto Zamal.. blooms, Auto Malawi.. blooms.
Lebanese and Zenith are in the growth phase. Zenith is coming to a greenhouse in the fall, I'm trying

 

[dubi]

one on left looks more throwback to … Malawi ?
doing well once tapped into real soil like most sats…
ganj on View attachment 18843623

Much respect @Mtn. Nectar I'm honoured to know you are growing some Zeniths this season directly in the soil. You can expect most Zeniths grow with the strong, tamed, robust, thick Malawi and Panama kind of structures.
Your support is much appreciated

 

[dubi]

Zenith, 90 days from seed, in 1st picture. Second pic is left to right, Pangi, Panama red pheno X Mountain Gold and Zenith. All 3 have the Goddess in their blood.

Zenith was very slow out of the box but picked up steam after a few weeks. It was not topped but roped down a bit. Can't say how it will fill out but suspect it could be as large as Pangi usually gets.

This grow saw much neglect on my part. From a questionable soil mix to poor fertilization to missed waterings these plants are not in peak form. Grown inside under bright white SIL's. Just goes to show how top notch genes still power through.

How Ace uses Panama Goddess both as a male and female in their crosses is not like throwing darts. Selection and keen observation takes the guess work out of what they do. Thanks Dubi and Ace. View attachment 18845401 View attachment 18845403

Thanks to you @Lotto for your support and for appreciating Panama Goddess and her hybrids so much She is really a key parent plant in our breeding for the last decade. What's your feelings on your Zenith female compared with other Panama hybrids you have experienced ?

 

[Keif Cake]

Thanks a lot for choosing our new releases Zenith and Super Panama Haze for your current grow and for your support all these years @Keif Cake much appreciated!

Looks to me like a Ca/Mg imbalance, glad to see the plants sorting out the problem after the transplant. The one with thinner-reddish stems looks like got more Meao Thai influence for the structure, the others have the robust, tamed bearing most Zenith do have.

Happy to hear they are already 10 days into 12/12. Check frequently ph, feed generously adding Ca/Mg too. All the best for the flowering stage!

Thank you very much.
The one with the rust spots on the leaves is showing it again in the fans, other than that it is looking nice! Really liking the tropical look to it. I'm worried that i may feed it too much cal/mg, ive been giving it a spoonfull or two every ten days or so.
Even with it showing Meao Thai structure, it is still growing very tamed, wont need to be topped and looks to finish at the perfect height for the tent, really even structure to it. I do have cuttings of all just.

 

[dubi]

@Keif Cake if problem is showing again in one of them then let's try what others suggest here, and move her to a more shady place with less light intensity and see next days how does she react, if she doesn't get better then something is happening with the soil.

 

[Keif Cake]

@Keif Cake if problem is showing again in one of them then let's try what others suggest here, and move her to a more shady place with less light intensity and see next days how does she react, if she doesn't get better then something is happening with the soil.

She doesn't look bad at all, i will take a pic later this evening when the lights come on. I think she has about 2 weeks more flower time compared to the others.

I changed up my soil between uppotting that one and the other 3 zenith and the SPH's with a lot of clay and some peat free mix, hopefully that will fix the constant pH issues from running a heavy peat mix as they reach 12 weeks or so in the mix after uppotting. If it is something it doesn't like about the heavy peat mix, maybe the issue will be fixed if i run that one again.
But really though, it doesn't look bad enough to give me much concern over what I'm seeing in the fan leaves.

The new mix is much heavier, at nearly dry it weighs as much as my previous mix being watered, the clay should fix any micro issues that i recently ran into, and i think specifically that being Iron, which i believe is the micro i was running deficient.

I dont have much room to really move it a lot, i can try to move it to other side of the tent where that light is less powerful

 

[OZZ_]

Thanks @OZZ_ really happy you are satisfied with the selections you are doing of our genetics and that you want to keep exploring our latest works, after experiencing Malawi, Panama and Zamaldelica i'm sure Zenith won't dissapoint you and will put new expressions into the table.

Regarding feeding, i would say Zenith can eat like the hungriest Panama red expressions (1,8-2 flowering peak) and certainly more than most Malawis and Zamaldelicas

Perfect. Thank you

ACE has got the most detailed info on the strain descriptions there is…. No doubt.

The only thing I find missing is the EC info, as when reading the strain descriptions the feed requirements listed as low-moderate-high can be highly subjective and vary widely …. So I always like to ask the EC range you recommend to get a closer target. It works well for my style of growing, probably not needed as much though in soil of course.