Borderliner
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Zamaldelica
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Hi WaterFarmFan,
Excellent comments about the different Zamaldelica phenos of the regular version and the fem one, very accurateGlad you kept males to produce your own Zamaldelica seeds, should be interesting to cross males from the regular version with selected females from the fem version, very good offspring can come out from there!
Happy to know that the effect of your Zamaldelicas make a difference compared with the more standard indicas.
Hi Dubi! Long time no chat, so I hope all is well! After more than a year of searching and selecting, I am finally getting ready to flower all of my males and make a few hundred crosses. I am most interested in Sativa/Indica hybrids with Zamaldelica and Panama. I have 2 Zam males, 1 Zam female (fem line), 2 Panama males, 3 Panama females (reg line), 1 Malawi female (fem line) & 1 Malawi x PCK female (reg line) to play with. All the females have been run a few times and I consider them elite keepers of the highest order.
I also have about 20 insane Indica female keepers, selected from 60+ elite breeder packs and about the same numbers of males. I could not find the exact quote, but I thought that you mentioned Zamaldelicia does not outcross that well to skunk. Could you please elaborate on what you define as skunk, as it relates to the broader class of Indica hybrids? Have you seen Zam males or females to be more dominant (ie produce more Zam traits) in crosses?
I have some female Cannarado Sundae Driver, female and male Thug Pug Peanut Butter Breath and female and male Karma Road Dawg (and many others) that are some of the frostiest/tastiest/most potent Indica strains on the planet, and I believe they could create a super hybrid when combined with your gear. I am going to experiment with most but I would love your feedback as I seriously consider which crosses to make.
Thanks!
And, of course I am VERY, VERY interested in making Zamaldelica & Panama F2s, but you got the Sativa hybrids covered! 
Looking good Saitama. Very healthy! Short, chunky and puts out - some like their ladies that way! Haha It is truly amazing how little stretch there is on this strain when you top aggressively. Just lower your lights or raise the pots for max penetration and you will be very happy with final yield. Dr Kings dual layer scrog seems right on point for these, but it takes a bit of time to fill screen before flowering.
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All Zammies look fantastic!
11 weeks 11/13.One more looks like will be enough.
11 weeks 11/13.One more looks like will be enough.
saitama
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Yeah I was expecting much more stretch and it never happened.
Are you using LED? What lighting schedule? Lighting schedule in veg?
saitama
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LED, yes. 24/0 to 18/6. 12/12 in flower. Two weeks ago I added a far red LED (730nm) which I supposed to add an hour to their sleep cycle by forcing the plant to sleep.
I believe the reasons behind my ZD's lack of stretch is 1. I stunted them pretty hard with a ph pen that was off calibration during the first three weeks of flower and 2. I keep my temps with 7F day/night. Supposedly very low temp swings from day to night contribute to minimizing stretch.
It can be tricky running lots of tops. I currently believe that residence time in the final pot prior to flowering is among the most important variables to a healthy and high yielding plant, and I like at least 2-3 weeks myself (~10 weeks total veg) to get the root system below to support the insanity above. I read from a member here that "starting flowering with a small root system is like trying to run a marathon on crutches - it does not work out well in the end". I also tend to over-veg with 12-16 tops and if they stretch too much, they go in the corner of room.
None of this helps you now, but I have done several rounds with shorty Zams like yours, and I was happy with final yield, as they stack very hard. Just get them as close to the light as possible.
None of this helps you now, but I have done several rounds with shorty Zams like yours, and I was happy with final yield, as they stack very hard. Just get them as close to the light as possible.
bigbadbiddy
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Can confirm that veging for a few weeks (I go about 2 as well) in the final flowering pot to establish roots results in much better filled in canopy, much better tops and yield.
I was also told by an old head that it is important for the plant to get used to the different light spectrum in flower which also increases overall quality/potency in his mind. He went so far as to slowly, in 3 stages I believe go from a blue to a more red spectrum for flower, he moves them from one tent/pot/light configuration to the next to get a gentle and slow change going that the plant can get used to.
Not sure how much overkill that is but it does seem plausible to me that it helps.
I was also told by an old head that it is important for the plant to get used to the different light spectrum in flower which also increases overall quality/potency in his mind. He went so far as to slowly, in 3 stages I believe go from a blue to a more red spectrum for flower, he moves them from one tent/pot/light configuration to the next to get a gentle and slow change going that the plant can get used to.
Not sure how much overkill that is but it does seem plausible to me that it helps.
That is quite interesting Biddy. I do something similar in a perpetual setup. My early veg is bright white LED bulbs at 24/0 -> 1K MH with 10K (very blue) bulb at 24/0 -> 1K Hortilux HPS tent for stretch at 12/12 -> Flower Room with multiple 1K DE HPS. For me, I am slowly ramping intensity as DE > HPS > MH > LED, but the initial shock from blue to red as well as 24/0 to 12/12, really seems to kick them in the ass to start flower, which is why I like to be over-vegged to start.
deepwaterdude
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Thanks for the info fellas, good tidbits in here. I've got a ZAm staying very low under a Next Light Mega since birth, just started flower in 3 gal at 28 days from seed. Today's day 30. She may have stayed smallish due to early calmag deficiencies in her starter coco. I put her in soil 2 weeks ago in her final pot and she's recovered nicely. Dwarfed by the haze x's around her, however
Last pic is of Zam day after repot when she was in bad shape.
Beautiful plants, syd, shadowsfall, inspiring stuff!
Last pic is of Zam day after repot when she was in bad shape.
Beautiful plants, syd, shadowsfall, inspiring stuff!
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