Zamaldelica

[ThaiBliss]

Update: they are budding, jus gave them some more food today.

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Man! This is killing me. As of last weekend, mine has no sign of buds. Everyone else's outdoors has started. I feel like running down there to check again. We've had some rainy days and cold nights lately. I hope it's getting the hint. I generally like to stay away a week so I can notice progress better.

The good news is that I took a cutting and I'm liking the aromas. Earlier the plant was putting off some pineapple like aromas, then sour citric. Everyone says that's a good sign. The cutting indoors is smelling really peppery. I like that very much. It is the only one that has smelled like that out of 13 starts.

ThaiBliss

 

[bigtacofarmer]

My wife asked what ever happened to that zamal? Says she wondered if I fed her something, lol. I told her that I thought better pheno were to be found and I wanted to go through more of them. She misses it.

What I heard....... Go order another regular and fem pack.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Missing it is a very good sign of quality, but a bad sign of your choices. LOL. Next time keep the best, until you find a better one. Listen to me. Kettle/Black. I've regretted losing so many good cuts.

"What I heard..." Hahaha First out loud laugh of the day. Thanks Bigtacofarmer!!!

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Missing it is a very good sign of quality, but a bad sign of your choices. LOL. Next time keep the best, until you find a better one. Listen to me. Kettle/Black. I've regretted losing so many good cuts.

"What I heard..." Hahaha First out loud laugh of the day. Thanks Bigtacofarmer!!!

I am confident I will find better. Or I will try some of the f2's I made. Maybe both.

 

[YukonKronic]

Man! This is killing me. As of last weekend, mine has no sign of buds. Everyone else's outdoors has started. I feel like running down there to check again. We've had some rainy days and cold nights lately. I hope it's getting the hint. I generally like to stay away a week so I can notice progress better.

The good news is that I took a cutting and I'm liking the aromas. Earlier the plant was putting off some pineapple like aromas, then sour citric. Everyone says that's a good sign. The cutting indoors is smelling really peppery. I like that very much. It is the only one that has smelled like that out of 13 starts.

ThaiBliss

I’m excited to see yours flower sounds like it has potential to be like the pheno that made me lose control and babble for forty minutes... lol that plant worked on my physiology in crazy ways! My friends just got normal speedy Zam high. I went to the moon on two or three tokes and gave the bag away upon return! Too speedy. Waaaayyy too speedy.

I’ve been hoping to see you find one that does that to you... I know you likes it

 

[yoss33]

Man! This is killing me. As of last weekend, mine has no sign of buds. Everyone else's outdoors has started.
ThaiBliss

Hey, Zamaldelica really starts flowering (not preflowering) around the 15-20th of September. Don't worry, it is relatively quick to stack the flowers, so there's still time

 

[GET MO]

Man! This is killing me. As of last weekend, mine has no sign of buds. Everyone else's outdoors has started. I feel like running down there to check again. We've had some rainy days and cold nights lately. I hope it's getting the hint. I generally like to stay away a week so I can notice progress better.

The good news is that I took a cutting and I'm liking the aromas. Earlier the plant was putting off some pineapple like aromas, then sour citric. Everyone says that's a good sign. The cutting indoors is smelling really peppery. I like that very much. It is the only one that has smelled like that out of 13 starts.

ThaiBliss

I tried the method someone recommended, foliar and regular feeding with fox farm big bloom, and it kicked um into flower! Worth a try...

 

[porn]

Zamadelica (fem) 6 week flowering 11/13, smells fruity and sweet

 

[Dropped Cat]

Nice! Wuts up with a smoke report for each!

A smoke report of sorts, of the buds, here:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6856731&postcount=95

From my thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=290740

Really hoping the current stock leans to Zamal/Thai.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks YukonKronic, Yoss33, and Get Mo for the encouragement. I hope I do get the one so jiggy that you had to give it away. Hahaha

Today was the first nice day in a week, after thunderstorms and cold weather, so I couldn't help but scamper down the hill to my garden and check my plants out. All is looking well, and the Zamaldelica is flowering. Not enough to notice if I took a picture, but I can see it upon close inspection. Almost all stems are all green, but I found a few with a slight blush of reddish orange color. The overall green color is nice to see. It stands out from everything else that is no longer vibrant this time of year around here, including my Baglung Nepali that is going purple, and the Bangi Wicked that has yellowing fan leaves and stems going red. The Zamaldelica is positively glowing in comparison. Hahaha

For the last couple of months I've been fertilizing with a blend of fish emulsion, low (0) nitrogen bat guano, charcoal kelp, green kelp and powdered volcanic rock. 1 to 2 to 1 to 1 to 1 by volume. I start that regiment early, in July. For the earlier flowering ones, I've gone to zero nitrogen, no fish emulsion. This Zamaldelica will need some nitrogen for awhile.

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Dropped Cat - Excellent smoke report! Everyone should read it, but here are some highlights:

Got teased about the sweet, what, no chem? hahaha

Ha.

Laughing my ass off.

Pulled some bud, broke it up and rolled a joint. Two of the guys
had smoked the Z 01 before, so they knew what to expect. The other two were a little smug, but not disrespectful.

Onset was fast, in the face, and like the feeling you get when you are just about to crest over the top of the first drop on a tall roller coaster. You know something is about to happen, and your stomach clenches in preparation for the drop, because you know its gonna' happen.

Oh yeah!

washes over the previous buzz like nothing. Like getting high
the first time after a long break. And it peaks and fades, and peaks again... Glad not to be alone this first time, we all were in stunned silence, maybe 10-15 minutes.

Intense.

After realizing the passing frozen terror, wave like euphoria ensued, grinning widely... An excellent social smoke, if you know how to control it... Time passed like it was nothing, was after three in the morning before we knew it... I could do it every fucking day...

Good writing and descriptions of the high I'm certainly looking for.

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Another update. It got warm again today. Hurray! It hit the 80s. After doing a bunch of household chores, I decided to take a break and go out and enjoy some sun with my plants. Upon closer inspection of my Zamaldelica, I noticed that the majority of the most tiny tertiary stems (bud stems) are getting streaks of red:

This plant has many of the markers of the best Zamaldelica phenos, from my Thai rocket fuel loving perspective.

Skinny leaves (in spades), check.
Red stems, check.
Early pre-flower pistils (all summer), check.
Fruity aromas (at least at some point), check.
Pepper aroma, check.

ThaiBliss

 

[musigny23]

2019 grow

2019 grow

I grew two Zamaldelica fems this year. Here is one of them.

I have to say this is the fastest flowering Zamaldelica I've grown. I think this my 4th season growing it from both regular and feminized versions.

The regulars have shown a very wide range of phenotypes. Some great and some much less. The fems are more consistent but still there is a range.

I'm going to say that this one is more Malawi influenced from the structure. Not a huge plant but the buds are chunky. Only about 1.75 m tall. I believe this was germinated in early April. It was healthy but limited by the root space and it grew slowly.

As always happens in my garden, this one is getting lighter green during flowering. I'm strictly organic and when it's at this point no amount of feeding seems to affect it. I don't even really try at this point. Yield will be fine and the effects very pure and clean.

 

[baduy]

Great frosty nugs Musigny. I used to have a grow spot in the woods where plants always turned yellow from late September, couldn't detect any difference with other sites in terms of general potency of the plants but definitely smoother smoke which needed less curing to shine.

 

[YukonKronic]

Another update. It got warm again today. Hurray! It hit the 80s. After doing a bunch of household chores, I decided to take a break and go out and enjoy some sun with my plants. Upon closer inspection of my Zamaldelica, I noticed that the majority of the most tiny tertiary stems (bud stems) are getting streaks of red:
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This plant has many of the markers of the best Zamaldelica phenos, from my Thai rocket fuel loving perspective.

Skinny leaves (in spades), check.
Red stems, check.
Early pre-flower pistils (all summer), check.
Fruity aromas (at least at some point), check.
Pepper aroma, check.

ThaiBliss

That stem feels like sandpaper from sessile capitate trichomes too doesn’t it? I’m stoked bro... I think you have at least a 50% chance for a rocket ride I just hope it’s one that fits your physiology for extra special kick

 

[YukonKronic]

I grew two Zamaldelica fems this year. Here is one of them.

I have to say this is the fastest flowering Zamaldelica I've grown. I think this my 4th season growing it from both regular and feminized versions.

The regulars have shown a very wide range of phenotypes. Some great and some much less. The fems are more consistent but still there is a range.

I'm going to say that this one is more Malawi influenced from the structure. Not a huge plant but the buds are chunky. Only about 1.75 m tall. I believe this was germinated in early April. It was healthy but limited by the root space and it grew slowly.

As always happens in my garden, this one is getting lighter green during flowering. I'm strictly organic and when it's at this point no amount of feeding seems to affect it. I don't even really try at this point. Yield will be fine and the effects very pure and clean.

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Absolute beauty! She’s gorgeous man... I also grow organic in soil and I very often see the beginning of fade set in a week or two earlier than I would expect. I think the soils CEC doesn’t allow for a rapid enough change of nutritional demand in the rhizosphere. SlowNickel posted on changing C and K requirements through mid bloom and I thought maybe a high CEC might actually work against the plant at that point preventing the extra nutrients needed from being easily available without using extra N to fuel the chemical exchanges needed at roots.
Hence the early fade as available N gets used to fuel the changes required at root level for whole plant to produce healthy buds.

I’ve been meaning to try a small application of Yarrow (N and Fe) or multiple VERY light applications of blood meal (feather meal is slow release...hmmm maybe throw it down at week 4 and skip blood?) at about weeks 5-6 of bloom. And a couple foliars of Epsom. I keep my soil highly enriched with Calcium at all times so it should be good. I think plant just runs short on available N to fuel extra C uptake.

CalNit might be a good foliar solution too if you don’t mind chem on the leaves... oddly I’m cool with Epsom but have steered away from anything else but pyrethrum in veg if I get infested or lacto B serum up to stacking phase...

Oh dang.... just realized I used C in reference to Calcium above and C is elemental symbol for carbon. Bad stoner! Bad!

 

[YukonKronic]

This crop goes through cycles. The cycle needs to start with high Ca and adequate (not high) K. As you go further in to veg, you raise K to mature the roots and bulk up. Going into flower, Ca needs to be raised quickly again and K at the same time ramping up.

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Quote was edited to only pertinent info.

And just cause I mention Calcium nitrate foliars...
This is from Spurr I just don’t have it quoted properly.

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The biggest erroneous claim is ions (normally) enter leaf via. stoma, they do not. They enter via. cuticle layer; the stoma claim is often repeated but it's not correct. This means spaying under leafs isn't critical.

Also, leafs can't take in more ions then roots, but they can take a greater % of ions given to them (often more quickly too).

Folair sprays are most effective at weakly acidic to weakly basic pH; I shoot for 6-6.5 with sprays with ions that can become insoluble at higher pH, ex. >7.

The calcium-nitrate will easily absorb into the leaf (through cuticle layer and cell membrane) and provide Ca, and N for the tissue. Adjust the foliar pH to between 6-6.5 before spraying because leafs prefer near neutral pH, and to keep ions highly soluble try to keep pH in the ideal range.

The higher the RH the better it swells leaf cuticle layer and aqueous pores, this helps leafs take in ions and organic substances (via. cuticle layer; not stoma).

Use of calcium-nitrate is good 3 reasons: (1) it's a good source of Ca; (2) it will continue absorbing into the leaf even when it not in solution (drop of water on leaf) when RH is > 53%; and (3) the ions rather quickly enter the cuticle layer and swell the cuticle layer allowing easier passage of other ions and organic substances (that is why it's good to include calcium-nitrate in all foliar sprays).

DM Penetrator and Saturator have the same flaw: they both use ions to swell cuticle layer that have very high POD (Point of Deliquesce) of >~93-95% RH. That means once the leaf looks dry, the RH has to stay above 95% for the ions in DM to continue being absorbed from leaf surface and thus to continue doing their 'job'. The reason is leafs can absorb ions in phyllosphere for many hours after foliar spraying, long past once the leaf looks dry. That is why I use and suggset CalMag+, because the calcium-nitrate acts in the same manner as the ions in DM product (ammonium-phosphate mix and phosphate-potassium mix). But cal-nitrate works better because it has a much lower POD. So you can make your own, better, DM Penetrator/Saturator.

 

[baduy]

After the rain

 

[YukonKronic]

After the rain
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Love the beads of water dotted along those loooong slender leaves.
Nice pic

 

[ColaCalyx]

Zam#1

Zam#1

Short stature, tight nodes, super bushy, small thin leaves, crazy branching, with buds all over.
She started out slow. The 3rd picture was taken on August 24th and the other two were today. I feel she stretched a lot. She stunk all throughout veg, but seems to have cut back on the stink for now. Looks like she is gonna be frosty, she already has begun to form resin heads.