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ThaiBliss

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I don't know. I ran two packs of the regulars and found nothing worth cultivating. The genetics are obviously worth something for breeders purposes, but the regular seeds were very very disappointing. Some of the worst weed I've grown. And I've seen others grow it and wind up with about the same. So I'm not sure where the hype came from. Maybe the fems are better?
I sent you a private message, in my rep to you, but I'd like to clarify more fully. Sativas are a completely different animal than indica or hybrids. They can be very fickle. I had a great plant once. It was the best weed I ever smoked. It took 18 weeks to ripen. I never let a plant go so long/ripe. It was because the buds were so small, I kept hoping they would explode in size at the very end. They didn't. One day they just looked done. I could not find a single white pistil, and all calyxes swelled. I still did not find any amber resins. I don't even think there were cloudy ones. The smoke was phenomenal. Mind blowing really. The first time after smoking it, I did not trust myself to drive. It was so trippy and I was not sure the high was not going to continue to increase even after the first hour. I was just getting higher and higher the whole time!

The next time I grew it, I got too tricky. Instead of going 12/12 light cycle for the entire 18 weeks, I dropped it to 11/12, then to 10/12. It shortened the ripening time to 16 weeks. It turned out to be hay. It wasn't worth smoking. I will never go lower than 11 hours of light while flowering again.

I had another sativa plant. It flowered it for 9 months! It never did stop throwing white pistils. I did get amber resins, and lots of them. The smoke was not very good. When I grow that strain again, I'll probably harvest it at 7 months because that is when the aroma turned to a incense/frankincense type of aroma which started to go away after a couple of weeks.

I think most of the growers on this thread are better indoor sativa growers than I am. I notice they let those buds get very ripe. indica hybrids are very forgiving with regard to ripeness. In fact, I prefer them harvested a touch early because I don't like "relaxing" or facial muscle drooping weed. To get the best out of a good sativa, or even anything worth smoking, one must learn how to grow it, which can be very different than other sativa plants. I've been growing for almost 50 years and I'm still learning. I think some of the popularity of indica hybrids is that they are so simple to grow. It is hard to mess them up.

Most people don't like to go into these explanations because it often causes disagreements. In fact, you may be more experienced than I'm assuming, and if that is the case, I apologize. :biggrin: I'm just trying to help. I wish someone helped me long before I accidentally stumbled into being a better sativa grower. Perhaps I just didn't listen well. I always need to know why, before I trust and just try. This may explain one reason for my long wind. Haha!

Another quick point. A long cure is very important to quality and potency. Some bud is just "meh" when you first sample it. Smoke it again 6 months later, and you can be surprised. I grew some Miss Universe last year. It was decent, but I decided it was not my style of high. I smoked it 6 months later, and it got much more cerebral. It still is not my best weed, IMHO, but it did get dramatically better.

ThaiBliss
 

willydread

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Thaibliss tell the Truth,pure sativa are something specials, their high are specials,very different from modern hibrid,some strains are so cerebral electric that you could doubt being high....
ahaha The first time I tried oldtimer haze x thai I did not understand what was striking, even the haze of nirvana seemed to me stronger....
but after many months of cure, and a lot of patience, it gave me something special ...
About zamaldelica,this strains gave me a magical experience of synaesthesia...
 

repuk

Altruistic Hazeist
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I think too the more complex/special sativa, the more cure it requires to really deeply tune-in into your endocannabinoid system. Sadly didn't have stash so my Zam was like reaching an Oasis... it went by in smoke before it was on a really optimal cure point... also had pest problems (my fault) and has been the only one I grew from a regular pack (sowed two, got male/female).

But still, I can witness:

- A really unique, exotic plant to grow.

- Packs serious punch potency wise. I'm a heavyweight, shared a King sized (1,5-2gr? I don't weight it) with another heavyweight wake & bake style, and we were more aware of how high we were by seeing each other that by ourselves, who would have swear we were not high at all... but couldn't stand the giggles, had a couple ultra funny paranoid panic attempts... a hard laugh, like a pair of newbies.

That's when I (we) realized how hard it hits. Good, unique stuff.

I agree with Tangwena definition, it's like being a Dragon and slough off and be born with a new Skin... it's... special.

- 100% Cerebral high.

Absolutely worth. And absolutely a must to let it cure until it "distills" and becomes more than raw potency. I have barely scratched the surface. As Thaibliss says, sativas are not easy... we need to learn to read them, me the first.

Dunno why but I cannot take out of my mind what the guy who sold me the gear / supported me on my first grow ten years ago, a nice fellow who said once on my insistence of trying extrange techniques: "Hey, if you were her, and I'd f*ck your life off... would you gimme a nice trip?". - ook, I get ya. So, it has to make a difference.

Will be posting some pics of mine next... so far seems on par with early Ethiopian in flowering stage outdoors. Bear in mind it's a reveg...

Huge, swollen pre-flower calyxes on nodes, really odd and noticeable.
 

willydread

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Dunno why but I cannot take out of my mind what the guy who sold me the gear / supported me on my first grow ten years ago, a nice fellow who said once on my insistence of trying extrange techniques: "Hey, if you were her, and I'd f*ck your life off... would you gimme a nice trip?". - ook, I get ya. So, it has to make a difference.
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Hey bro, i am under a blotter right now and the last words make me really really laugh hahahaha
But i am agree with you....
 

BenoitV1984

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Almost there for that topped one, cut the big one like a week ago, she was not ripening anymore. I think I will only top it from now on, she got way more vigor in axil buds than apical one.

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deepwaterdude

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Almost there for that topped one, cut the big one like a week ago, she was not ripening anymore. I think I will only top it from now on, she got way more vigor in axil buds than apical one.

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Heavy headed girl! Sweet:biggrin:

Here's mine about a month into flo; I'm happy to have a stout, fast one, being outdoors at altitude.
 

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repuk

Altruistic Hazeist
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@willydread: :laughing: glad you had a good time!

Wow deepwaterdude, that table should be a blast to have a coffee in the morning near her!

Here's my revegged Zam:

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D*mned Grashoppers....
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repuk

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Previous time had a pest problem... this time there's white fly and some grasshoppers, but hope she can get as mean, and reach her potential as possible.

Really random growing! indoors, unpredictable on cola focus, grew octopus-like, while outdoors after the reveg is taking a really different structure.
 

Squid Rasta

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OGEvilgenius how long ago did you try the regs? My beans have a date of Jan 2017 on them.....was hoping to find something special that's why I went with the regs in particular.
 

repuk

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Squid_Rasta, I've read dubi state that due to their breeding, fems are more homogeneous pheno-wise, while on regs you may find a wider pheno distribution, so you're on the right track!
 

Squid Rasta

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Thanks for the encouragement repuk! The way you describe your experience with these genetics makes my mouth water. Wish I had a place outdoors to really let a few of these girls shine.
 

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Altruistic Hazeist
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This same plant was grown indoor under SILs and COBs, I harvested and revegged it, will tell any differences, though

- indoor had pests
- outdoor is not optimal as the "core" rootball is 100% coco from the indoor coco "life" and makes keeping steady rootball ph a mission impossible...

I think the key points I've learnt for a successfull indoor are:

1.- Space. leave 2x to 3x the space you'd leave to indica/sativa hybrids. She's kind of "Shy", and you want her to "stretch" ;)
2.- Ventilation should be as nailed in as possible, Good clean air renewal/exchange is a must.
3.- Don't go overboard with ferts, this lady eats very little. Overfert leads to pests and lockouts.
4.- This lady drinks very little too, so the better the water quality... Respect humid/dry cycles, use quality peat to ease. Overwatering (not respecting wet/dry cycles) lead to pests.
5.- She responds better to LST than Supercropping or Crunch n' Bend. Go along with her, not against her. She never completely stops stretching until well into final flower, so don't get mad, she's flexible as rubber, get some wirehangers wire and you can shape her almost at will.

In summary: Give her comfy conditions, and leave her alone, she will do the rest. :tiphat:

Squid_Rasta said:
Wish I had a place outdoors to really let a few of these girls shine.

Wish you luck on that! Do it as soon as you have the chance... different and eye opener experience.
 

YukonKronic

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Couldn't resist any longer so I put 10 of the Guat/Zam x Zam13 in the dirt. 8 came up. I realize it's a cross but it's still mostly Zam so I figure I'll post up some pics and results here when I get em.
Vigour is excellent so far. They look very Zamal dominant if one can tell (lol pretty sure you can't :biggrin:)that from leaf shape of a little plantlet.
 

Squid Rasta

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Outdoor Zamaldelica

Outdoor Zamaldelica

As I said earlier in the thread. I had three Zamaldelica girls out of five pack. Two of them seem like twins....Both over five feet tall..thai phenos. But this one sat in a solo cup doing nothing for six weeks of veg then at about five weeks into 12/12 she began to grow but too late by then! Outdoors she went...not a great place but don't really expect too much out of her anyway. Who knows I might be pleasently surprised. By the way she is only two feet tall.
 

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YukonKronic

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This same plant was grown indoor under SILs and COBs, I harvested and revegged it, will tell any differences, though

- indoor had pests
- outdoor is not optimal as the "core" rootball is 100% coco from the indoor coco "life" and makes keeping steady rootball ph a mission impossible...

I think the key points I've learnt for a successfull indoor are:

1.- Space. leave 2x to 3x the space you'd leave to indica/sativa hybrids. She's kind of "Shy", and you want her to "stretch" ;)
2.- Ventilation should be as nailed in as possible, Good clean air renewal/exchange is a must.
3.- Don't go overboard with ferts, this lady eats very little. Overfert leads to pests and lockouts.
4.- This lady drinks very little too, so the better the water quality... Respect humid/dry cycles, use quality peat to ease. Overwatering (not respecting wet/dry cycles) lead to pests.
5.- She responds better to LST than Supercropping or Crunch n' Bend. Go along with her, not against her. She never completely stops stretching until well into final flower, so don't get mad, she's flexible as rubber, get some wirehangers wire and you can shape her almost at will.

In summary: Give her comfy conditions, and leave her alone, she will do the rest. :tiphat:



Wish you luck on that! Do it as soon as you have the chance... different and eye opener experience.

I have also found that pests (aphids) prefer certain phenos of Zam more than any other cannabis plant around them. I do lots of lollipopping and pruning to keep growth directed and also to allow good penetration of pesticide sprays (organic, sometimes pyrethrins in early stretch or pre- flower. Not on well formed buds.) I even keep nugz trimmed such that there will be none within two inches of major branch intersections, larfy buds are pest habitats.

I have also found that although Zamaldelica is pretty surprisingly resistant to cold temps she will sometimes get pissed off with consistent low root temperatures and day/night swings of more than 14 or 15 degrees C. She likes it HOT (28-30C if well lit enough) through veg and preflower though just keep her damp (not too wet though!) and fed (careful and considered, either a deficiency OR a lockout right now can really impact yield. I look after Ca,Fe,Mn,B and use Epsom or PotSil in light foliars or root drenches when needed. Topdressing bonemeals and Guanos are good P sources;) she gets outright tumescent if I do it right. :dancer:
 

YukonKronic

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Just to be clear: NOT disagreeing on feeding lightly only stressing that if you neglect a deficiency at this stage it can suck later.
 

YukonKronic

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If you DO f*ck up pest management it will haunt your nightmares forever. This was on track to be a QP+ of Gerrits (I think) dominant Zamaldelica. It wound up as compost.
 

YukonKronic

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On t'other hand bugs CAN be your friend. This bug has another bugs baby emerging from its very violated ass. "More lube please this is killing me."

 
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