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Yea Its Malawi...one my Plant had first wide leaves , after 4months of sun load seems more Like Pure sativa already in grow stage
 

Bona Fortuna

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Wow, it's funny how much two weeks can change things.
I've been having successes and teaching moments this year. Really, that's a politically correct way of saying I've been screwing up. I'll get to this later.

Zamaldelica #1
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Teaching moment.
Beautiful plant... horribly rootbound. She's in less than 20 gal. Ph swings have been happening regularly, even though no salts.
Too much drying of the soil between wetting, me thinks.

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Zamaldelica #2, semi-auto
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I based most of my project this year around these zamaldelica. Here's the success. I've found a semi-auto based on rootbinding. Another teaching moment though. Rootbound semi-auto isn't a guarantee and all the other plants certainly aren't enjoying being rootbound. This lovely lady has been flowering for the better part of 3 weeks. No smells unless I rub in.

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dubi

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I was wondering if it would be possible to force Zamaldelica (Zamal/Thai pheno, about 13-14 weeks) whole July at 12/12 then let her finish outdoor and harvest late September/early October.

I'm at 50.4669000 North / 4.8674600 East (Namur, Belgium). We are getting 15h01 daytime August 6th, hitting 14h00 August 24th. August is mostly sunny and so is September most of the time.

Would she stay in flowering, coming from 12/12 indoor?

Hi BenoitV1984,

Yes, you can force your Zamaldelicas to flower with a 12/12 photoperiod during summer time until autumn equinox when the outdoors photoperiod will be naturally 12/12 again, but you must be constant to do it daily, otherwise she will reveg.
If you are constant doing it you will be able to finish Zamaldelica at your latitude, even starting doing it now in August.

Try to match your forced indoor photoperiods with the outdoor photoperiod at autumn equinox, so when you finally leave the plant outdoors to complete her flowering she won't be confused.
 

dubi

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I'm old enough to have smoked the famous sativas of the 70s. That includes Thai sticks of which there was a lot here in the late 70s early 80s. I'll never forget some of the sticks that passed through in '80 to '82. I grow both Zamaldelica and Golden Tiger in pursuit of that type of smoke. I've continued with Z. because I don't think I've achieved it's best potential yet. Same with GT.

This year I also have a pure Zamal (Double Zamal from Tropical) to see what it's like on its own.

Last year and the year before I grew Thai Stick seeds I got from Ace in 2015. First try, weather conditions really hammered the one I had going so it I wouldn't call it successful. Minor insect damage (tiny nibbles on the nodes and stems) allowed mold to attack and the wet weather provided the conditions for it to really spread.

Second try, last year, went better, especially the weather. It was close to finishing but I had to leave for a Europe trip on November 10 so I had to harvest it as it couldn't be left untended for 2 weeks. It was the last plant still going at that point. It didn't have the power and intensity I remember from the best sticks. More time might have helped.

By the way even though this is a Zamaldelica thread, may I ask, how similar or different were the Thai Stick you had from the Luang Prabang you had? I read somewhere they were nearly the same. Those are still available at a few sources.

About my phenotypes this year, one certainly clearly seems Malawi dominant. The other, the growing tips look almost identical to the Zamal. Very thin spidery twisted leaves although the branch structure may still be of the Malawi type.

I'm not sure what would signal Thai dominant pheno of Zamaldelica. How often do you see those? What are the characteristics of those?

Hi musigny23,

Glad you were one of the few that had the chance to try the best imported Thai Sticks from early 80s.

The difficulty of getting the best from tropical sativas genetics in colder climates far from the equator is that these kind of tropical sativas need at least for 4 months of flowering in proper conditions. That is: constant warm temps and strong light intensity through the whole flowering, which is difficult to achieve once the conditions of the colder autumn months in latitudes far from the equator start to come. If you can't provide these conditions then your homegrown tropical sativas won't have the chance to develop all their potential and therefore their finished product won't be of the same quality compared with the same genetics grown in a tropical/subtropical or mediterranean climate with warm temps, or vs the imported fine thais you are referring to.

We at ACE have made big breeding efforts to tame and bring down the flowering times of tropical sativa strains like Zamaldelica, Malawi and Golden Tiger, so their flowering time rarely go further than 3 months (most of the times between 2-3 months) so they are much easier to finish them with great potential in colder climates far from the equator, compared with extreme tropical sativas like Oldtimer 's Haze or pure Thais, which remain untamed.

Thai sativas and northern Laotian sativas are quite different, the Thais usually belong to the classic green SE asian sativa phenotype and most of the times need 4-5 months of proper flowering, while the northern laotians ripe faster, (usually in 4 months) and can handle better colder temps, maturing with purple colors at the end of flowering.

The different Zamaldelica phenos have been explained many times in this thread. Thai leaning Zamaldelica phenos (more frequent in the regular lines) have a lankier columnar structure, with stronger stretching in early flowering than the rest of the phenos, usually finishing with reddish colors with outdoor cold temps and providing a very electric and nervous psychoactivity, with woodier terpenes.

Zamal and Malawi leaning Zamaldelica phenos are easier to finish in colder climates far from the equator, and yet be able to achieve most of their psychoactive and terpene potential.

Hope it helps. dubi
 

dubi

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So I cut Z #1 at 98 days. I wanted to let her go for another week but had to pull early. I found some bud rot on one cola, size of a marble. I also found a single mature banana, which also made this an easy decision.

Trimmed and is drying now. Smells like wet grass with a touch of sweet carrot.

She was a big yielder for me considering I am micro growing with little vegging time.

Hi Sativamane,

Glad you have the chance to flower your Zamaldelica until the end
and still be able to get a high yield in your micro grow.

Please, let us know your opinion about her after a good drying and curing process. Thanks for share it.
 

dubi

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Wow, it's funny how much two weeks can change things.
I've been having successes and teaching moments this year. Really, that's a politically correct way of saying I've been screwing up. I'll get to this later.

Zamaldelica #1
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Teaching moment.
Beautiful plant... horribly rootbound. She's in less than 20 gal. Ph swings have been happening regularly, even though no salts.
Too much drying of the soil between wetting, me thinks.

Detail:
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Zamaldelica #2, semi-auto
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I based most of my project this year around these zamaldelica. Here's the success. I've found a semi-auto based on rootbinding. Another teaching moment though. Rootbound semi-auto isn't a guarantee and all the other plants certainly aren't enjoying being rootbound. This lovely lady has been flowering for the better part of 3 weeks. No smells unless I rub in.

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Hi Bona Fortuna,

Your are correct identifying your 2 Zamadelica phenos, the first one is clearly a very Thai dominant pheno. Thai dominant phenos have very little smell, even in flowering, the terpenes of its finished products is woody, slighty floral and incensey, but never super stinky like most modern afghani commercial hybrids do.

The second plant, the semi autoflowering pheno, has crearly stronger pure Zamal influence, should finish 2-3 weeks earlier than the Thai pheno and should develop fruitier terpenes, with a kinder and more 'rounded' sativa psychoactivity from Zamal A mother.

Best wishes for the rest of the flowering :)
 

dubi

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Here is one of two Zamaldelica fem I have going. Coco DTW, Maxibloom the whole way, 600W hps. 18/6 for 9 weeks. The last 2 plants out of 7, currently flowering at 13.5 weeks. 2 Congo fem, 2 Bangi Haze fem, and 1 Bangi Haze regular are currently dried and curing.

I'm hoping for a little insight on my harvest window. I've been battling temps in the low 90s for a couple weeks and, while ripening seems to be progressing, I'm thinking there has been some delay in finishing.

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The above photo is the best I could do to get the whole plant in one photo, shes wild so that wasn't easy! (her sister on the left side of the closest is even wilder, incredibly branchy and stretchy, and probably at least 2-3 weeks from finishing)

Sorry for the atrocious pictures, they certainly don't do her justice. I'll try to get pictures of the other remaining Zamaldelica but it will be even tougher.

Thanks again to all in this forum, for the knowledge and inspiration

Hi jus'plain'gill,

Congrats on your Congo, Bangi Haze harvest! :)

That's a really structurally crazy Malawi pheno, the flowers have the density, big ovaries and huge trichomes from our Malawi line, but her structure and flower distribution is much more irregular. Really interesting, wish she delivers a finished product of your taste. Please, keep us updated!
 

dubi

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Yeah so Aero cloner 12 spotter with 10 plants and the Zam did about 1/2 the entire yield! Great growth and super stick iCK at 10 weeks finished last 3 weeks 10/14's. ps didnt bother with these at all adjusted ph 1x per week with maxi bloom kiss method ro with 1 tsp calms 1 tsp maxib.

Sticky Icky!
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Gonna be DANK! Sweet Mango Carrot smell!
LT

My hydro Zamadelica reg turned out super raunchy smelling and super sticky!

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Hi LostTribe :)

Congrats on your Zamaldelica harvest too! If she is super stinky and smells like mango, carrot and sweet then is most probably an offspring coming from Zamaldelica elite mother.
Enjoy her along with the Granny Haze ;)
 

dubi

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Hi Lincoln2018,

Glad your Zamaldelica is reacting fast after switch her to flower, she is most probably a compact and fast pheno, very suitable for small indoor tents like yours. Best wishes for the rest of the flowering! :)
 

dubi

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Hello folks
Can someone recognises the phenos of the following pictures?
Are from reg seeds -the following plants sowed fem preflowers-
The two first are from #1 and then #2

Thanks guys for the answers.
I have a nice male -zamal/Thai - dom. imo


Hi Consolidated,

Yes, the first 2 are without any doubt Malawi phenos , at least structurally. The male is indeed a Zamal/Thai pheno.
Hope you have fun with them ;)
 

baduy

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Lovely Zamal/Thai phenos baduy :)

Guess she is loving the intense sun and to be planted directly in soil.
Thanks for share it and please keep us updated with her progresses when you have the chance.
Here is her top branch two weeks ago, she doing good, a little struggling with the extreme heat these days, but they all do
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BenoitV1984

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Hi BenoitV1984,

Yes, you can force your Zamaldelicas to flower with a 12/12 photoperiod during summer time until autumn equinox when the outdoors photoperiod will be naturally 12/12 again, but you must be constant to do it daily, otherwise she will reveg.
If you are constant doing it you will be able to finish Zamaldelica at your latitude, even starting doing it now in August.

Try to match your forced indoor photoperiods with the outdoor photoperiod at autumn equinox, so when you finally leave the plant outdoors to complete her flowering she won't be confused.
Hi Dubi,

By the time of the equinox, she will be almost done indoor, so not really worth it I guess.

Cheers,
Ben
 

Lincoln2018

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Hey Dubi,
These two malawi are just ending their third week in flower. They are a little different. Can you ID their phenos? Thank you.
 

dubi

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Hi Lincoln2018,

Excellent branching on your Zamaldelica ;)
Looks like she will yield well with all these budsites.
 

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