Zack's Patch 2016

[theJointedOne]

Garden looks great!

Check out the tea threads here on icmag, tons of great info if your not brewing already.

A nice top dress this time of year is always good. Check out Dr earth products, easy to use for the backyard farmer.

Your going to have lots of great herb in a few months.

 

[20sackzack]

That looks more like magnesium deficiency to me. What is your ph of your run off water? when was the last time you flushed? Do you use r.o. Water? Do you add cal/mag already?

To much potassium can lock out cal/mag and too much cal/mag can lock out potassium.

I recommend a good flush to reveal the real issue. If it fixes it self with flush it was lock out. If the promlem gets worse, it will show exactly what you need to add. Then get back on normal feed and add what was deficient. Earth juice makes good organic additives.

If you're short on cash, Epsom salts make a great magnesium additive. I like to mix in some black strap molasses with that too. However I only use that solution with tap water and not r.o. Water because calcium and magnesium are required together for proper uptake. Tap water usually has pleanty of calcium already.

If you use tap water let it sit out for 24 hours to release the chlorine. Throw in an air stone if you have one.

If you can get a bag of og tea veganic special sauce, and a bag of OG tea root web star and mix them around in your top soil a bit. These biological additives help keep your root zone healthy but will get killed by chlorine in the water.

Thanks for the advice bro! I think you are right about it being a magnesium deficiency. That would make more sense

Im actually trying to go for a living organic soil so no bottled nutrients, ph pens or salts here. This type of growing doesn't need any flushing because there are no build ups. Its all about maintaining and feeding the soil food web. Which obviously I have not done the greatest job of...

Pretty much all I've given them is water. Shcrews uses a similar soil mix and style to grow his 10# monsters. Here's a link to the los thread if you haven't already seen it

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=241964

Its quite the read but very informative

I brewed an aerated compost tea and gave it to the sour d so hopefully I will see some improvement. Need to give more love to the microbes

 

[20sackzack]

Garden looks great!

Check out the tea threads here on icmag, tons of great info if your not brewing already.

A nice top dress this time of year is always good. Check out Dr earth products, easy to use for the backyard farmer.

Your going to have lots of great herb in a few months.

Thanks tjo! Great to have you in here

I have a small 5 gallon brewer that's basically the one buildasoil sells. Just did a brew with ewc, malibu bu's and molasses and gave it all to the sour d. I'm gonna start brewing more often

Also topdressed a little compost and kelp meal

Go Warriors! And gooooo GIANTS!!!

 

[theJointedOne]

Go A's

 

[20sackzack]

Aww man haha at least u didn't say Dodgers lol

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Earth juice products are organic. Also kushman's veganic line vegamatrix has organic products. In my opinion, there is no shame in amending with those because of their quality and organic ratings. It is better to use those and finish with better meds for your self than get stuck with problem bud in flower. Some veganic cal msg we'd be good.

 

[who dat is]

Better late than never I like this thread, you're doing some good work in here. I'll be along for the duration now

 

[20sackzack]

Better late than never I like this thread, you're doing some good work in here. I'll be along for the duration now

Hell yeah, who dat in the house! Thanks for stopping by and checking out my girls. Loved your thread last year and hope you can pull through your little mite problem and finish strong this year as well

Got another tea brewing. Can only do like 4 1/2 gallons at a time though so I'm guessing its best to apply it all to one plant at a time. Can't decide if I should give it to the sour d again or to the sfv that has pm showing up

I picked up some greencure yesterday and sprayed last night. Going to stay on top of spraying and hopefully I can make it through harvest. It helps that that plant is already a couple weeks into flower so hopefully it will finish early enough

Pic from yesterday afternoon, sfv on far left

And another from this morning

 

[_tessarecting]

nice man, I've read compost tea foliars are also effective against pm

 

[20sackzack]

I've read that as well, do u know if the microbes would survive being sprayed through my 2 gallon pump sprayer?

 

[_tessarecting]

You're good, even atomizers are better than nothing, but youre right, the less theyre disturbed the better for the hyphae

 

[FoothillFarming]

Those are some beauties you go there. Green, lush and happy. Nice work.

 

[20sackzack]

Ok so I started the act last night and was planning on applying it early tomorrow morning. Question is should I spray a half gallon tonight on the sfv and let the rest brew till the morning? Or wait till tomorrow night and spray and apply the tea all at once?

Btw im using the brewer from buildasoil and and the recipe from microbeorganics.com

Basically 2 cups compost (1 cup ewc and 1 cup malibu bu's) and a tablespoon of molasses

Brew for 36 hours..

 

[who dat is]

Greencure works but it only changes the pH of the surface of the plants leaves to kill the PM spores and fungus that way. It works but only for 7-10 days in my experience before PM pops up again. I would instead focus on fixing the root cause of the PM instead of slapping a bandaid on it. Personally, I would clean out the lowers and inside of the plant of any and all larf sites, sucker branches, and fan leaves that aren't doing anything for the plant to promote better airflow. Make sure that the plants are getting the good beneficial microbes that they should be getting via root drenches. Also, if you don't have a proper IPM foliar program going then it is time to get one and start doing sprays in 3-4 day rotations. The best defense is a healthy plant. I would also look at picking up a product called Actinovate as it is a bacterial fungicide. There is also a product called Serenade that does the same thing, I've never used it but I understand it smells awful if that would deter you. I had a lot of success with actinovate getting rid of root rot issues for me this past winter when my veg area was very cold and the root zones stayed wet for too long in the cold temps. That product brought them right back.

Thank you for the kind words regarding my threads and mite problem. I ordered a bunch of predator mites that I was very successful with and am going to focus on keeping them healthy and happy and living in my canopy to continue to do goo work.

 

[20sackzack]

Greencure works but it only changes the pH of the surface of the plants leaves to kill the PM spores and fungus that way. It works but only for 7-10 days in my experience before PM pops up again. I would instead focus on fixing the root cause of the PM instead of slapping a bandaid on it. Personally, I would clean out the lowers and inside of the plant of any and all larf sites, sucker branches, and fan leaves that aren't doing anything for the plant to promote better airflow. Make sure that the plants are getting the good beneficial microbes that they should be getting via root drenches. Also, if you don't have a proper IPM foliar program going then it is time to get one and start doing sprays in 3-4 day rotations. The best defense is a healthy plant. I would also look at picking up a product called Actinovate as it is a bacterial fungicide. There is also a product called Serenade that does the same thing, I've never used it but I understand it smells awful if that would deter you. I had a lot of success with actinovate getting rid of root rot issues for me this past winter when my veg area was very cold and the root zones stayed wet for too long in the cold temps. That product brought them right back.

Thank you for the kind words regarding my threads and mite problem. I ordered a bunch of predator mites that I was very successful with and am going to focus on keeping them healthy and happy and living in my canopy to continue to do goo work.

Thanks for taking the time to write up that response man!

I've already pruned out the bottoms and insides pretty well. I might try a bit more, but the sfv is really the only plant with pm right now and it's already more open and getting better airflow than some of the others

I think its just a strain thing. These elite og cuts are more susceptible to pm. Last year I grew king klone cuts and never saw a spec of pm. Didn't even know what it was yet. Then fairly soon after I got my dark heart cuts this year we had some cold moist weather and I saw it pop up. Went away for a while after a sprayed neem a couple times and moved them outside. But then I got lazy, didn't spray anything for a long time and now its back

I have actinovate but haven't done a real good root drench with it yet. Need to do that and spray neem again as well. Also the essential oil blend on buildasoil looks awesome but a little pricey

 

[who dat is]

The actinovate can be used as a root drench or as a foliar. It's not systemic in that you can do a root drench and it will take care of the PM. You're right about some strains being more susceptible to PM too. Remember to add some silica to your foliars as well as that should help with the PM.

 

[FoothillFarming]

Greencure works but it only changes the pH of the surface of the plants leaves to kill the PM spores and fungus that way. It works but only for 7-10 days in my experience before PM pops up again. I would instead focus on fixing the root cause of the PM instead of slapping a bandaid on it. Personally, I would clean out the lowers and inside of the plant of any and all larf sites, sucker branches, and fan leaves that aren't doing anything for the plant to promote better airflow. Make sure that the plants are getting the good beneficial microbes that they should be getting via root drenches. Also, if you don't have a proper IPM foliar program going then it is time to get one and start doing sprays in 3-4 day rotations. The best defense is a healthy plant. I would also look at picking up a product called Actinovate as it is a bacterial fungicide. There is also a product called Serenade that does the same thing, I've never used it but I understand it smells awful if that would deter you. I had a lot of success with actinovate getting rid of root rot issues for me this past winter when my veg area was very cold and the root zones stayed wet for too long in the cold temps. That product brought them right back.

Thank you for the kind words regarding my threads and mite problem. I ordered a bunch of predator mites that I was very successful with and am going to focus on keeping them healthy and happy and living in my canopy to continue to do goo work.

What he said, plus:

What have you been feeding for Potassium? What is your plant sap ph? My guess is your plant sap ph is low, and your potassium needs to be upped. Any soil tests?

 

[FoothillFarming]

Also, I noticed on the build a soil website they give a guesstimate on what the NPK value would be, but never posted any results. Have you seen any posted anywhere?

Here are my coots numbers from Grass Valley Ca.

If your numbers are the same at the start of the season, and you haven't had a K input, then that for sure is part of the answer. I would also assume low Mn, and Boron without more information on what you have been feeding and soil tests.

 

[Noonin NorCal]

Greencure works but it only changes the pH of the surface of the plants leaves to kill the PM spores and fungus that way. It works but only for 7-10 days in my experience before PM pops up again. I would instead focus on fixing the root cause of the PM instead of slapping a bandaid on it. Personally, I would clean out the lowers and inside of the plant of any and all larf sites, sucker branches, and fan leaves that aren't doing anything for the plant to promote better airflow. Make sure that the plants are getting the good beneficial microbes that they should be getting via root drenches. Also, if you don't have a proper IPM foliar program going then it is time to get one and start doing sprays in 3-4 day rotations. The best defense is a healthy plant. I would also look at picking up a product called Actinovate as it is a bacterial fungicide. There is also a product called Serenade that does the same thing, I've never used it but I understand it smells awful if that would deter you. I had a lot of success with actinovate getting rid of root rot issues for me this past winter when my veg area was very cold and the root zones stayed wet for too long in the cold temps. That product brought them right back.

Thank you for the kind words regarding my threads and mite problem. I ordered a bunch of predator mites that I was very successful with and am going to focus on keeping them healthy and happy and living in my canopy to continue to do goo work.

Did you do root drench for the Actinovate? and what dosage did you go with?

 

[who dat is]

Did you do root drench for the Actinovate? and what dosage did you go with?

I have only used it for my root problems that I mentioned for that one instance and that took care of it. I don't remember the specific dosage but I think it's on the package?