Wuhan Coronavirus is an Offensive Biological Warfare Weapon

[shaggyballs]

A bit off topic, but about the Spanish flu.

Spanish Flu Experiments Prove The Contagious Hoax!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7c_TSLBRwk

Experiments with Spanish Influenza, 1918-1919 [The Invisible rainbow]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9EIwo6hA6c

 

[gaiusmarius]

you know whats really worrying? this new thing hitting kids. i really hope this is not gonna be the new big wave. up to now kids were hardly effected by covid, now they say there is a covid related coplication hitting kids really bad. if this becomes a new trend the swiss gov will have to totally change course on their advise to the citizens. so far the numbers are very small, but thats how covid started too.

 

[buzzmobile]

I found these articles re. Spanish Flu to be of interest.

A shot-in-the-dark email leads to a century-old family treasure — and hope of cracking a deadly flu’s secret

https://www.statnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Hammond.1917.purulent.bronchitis.pdf

The origins of the great pandemic

'A Terrible New Weapon of War': The Spanish Flu Had Its Own Share of Conspiracy Theories

 

[shaggyballs]

I found these articles re. Spanish Flu to be of interest.

A shot-in-the-dark email leads to a century-old family treasure — and hope of cracking a deadly flu’s secret

https://www.statnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Hammond.1917.purulent.bronchitis.pdf

The origins of the great pandemic

'A Terrible New Weapon of War': The Spanish Flu Had Its Own Share of Conspiracy Theories

One of the victims of the Spanish flu was the grandfather of U.S. President Donald Trump. The businessman Frederick (originally Friedrich) Trump, who immigrated to New York from Germany at 16, died of the virus on May 30, 1918, at 49. According to the family story, while out walking with his son Fred (Donald Trump’s father), he suddenly took sick and was put to bed immediately. He died the next day. He turned out to be one of the first victims of the Spanish flu.

 

[shaggyballs]

you know whats really worrying? this new thing hitting kids. i really hope this is not gonna be the new big wave. up to now kids were hardly effected by covid, now they say there is a covid related coplication hitting kids really bad. if this becomes a new trend the swiss gov will have to totally change course on their advise to the citizens. so far the numbers are very small, but thats how covid started too.

What ever happen during the spanish flu may be happening again.
There was a short period where young folks were effected the most.

How do we really know what exactly what we are dealing with.

Why are they burning the all of the bodies.
They should be investigating the cause of death.

 

[Cheesegez]

Can you provide any data whatsover supporting the contention that zoonotic transmission occurs over hundreds or even thousands of years?

we have only known about viruses since the late 1890s which was a plant virus , so to find data of transmissions studies over hundreds or thousands of years at a genetic level is impossible for obvious reasons, I mean we've only just learnt how to gene sequence.

There is also no hard evidence to backup overnight transmission so all theories have flaws..

As im sure you understand a mutation is a replication error which is very rarely beneficial to the host or pathogen. and if viral evolution was able to make these rapid jumps we would see thousands of new viruses infecting all life forms on a daily basis.

"Every day, more than 800 million viruses are deposited per square meter above the planetary boundary layer — that’s 25 viruses for each person in Canada,"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180206090650.htm

viruses are the most abundant microbes on the planet , and have been known to be able to pass through the various atmospheric layers by binding to celestial debris, if natural viral evolution was so fast we would have a lot more problems that just the coronavirus.

Synthetic virology is very fast expanding brach of virology, I mean in the 1950 we manipulated and released Myxomatosis to control the rabbit population and thats no "conspiracy" it happened and it worked.

The probability of a spill-over is directly related to the opportunity for crossover, meaning how often 2 species interact.

Thats not exactly true ? genetic similarities are the limiting factor to viral spillover.. why ? well if the virus mutates within a certain species to promote spillover it would mean that the original host cell makeup would have to be simlar to the species it crossed over to. we are not playing the mutation lottery, for a virus to crossover from un-related species it would have to undergo hundreds of mutations in its favour, thats a very slim probability with far to much coincidence.

"It turns out, the most important factor in cross-species transmission is how closely related the bat species are,"

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100805143101.htm

HIV jumped to humans more probably in the course of the slaughter and preparation of a monkey/chimp for a meal, the most accepted theory is that monkey/chimp blood got into a human cut/abrasion, transferring the virus.

HIV did not just jump from humans from monkeys , thats what Robert Gallo would have you believe.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1088489/

https://www.originofaids.com

Saying zoonotic transfer takes hundreds or thousands of years to happen is totally without basis or merit. Would love to see any references that counter that position.

But its totally without basis or merit to suggest zoonotic transfer can exceed evolutionary patterns.. and any evidence that concludes this is just using genome comparison data..And why is that irrelevant ?

you cannot see a genetic manipulation , you can see a mutation within the genome comparison but you have no real way of determining if that mutation is natural or induced..

 

[shaggyballs]

you know whats really worrying? this new thing hitting kids. i really hope this is not gonna be the new big wave. up to now kids were hardly effected by covid, now they say there is a covid related coplication hitting kids really bad. if this becomes a new trend the swiss gov will have to totally change course on their advise to the citizens. so far the numbers are very small, but thats how covid started too.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...ren-may-be-linked-to-covid-19-source/2394127/

 

[shaggyballs]

I have stated this same thing over and over.
everyone seems to avoid the question every time I ask it.

for a virus to crossover from un-related species it would have to undergo hundreds of mutations in its favour, thats a very slim probability with far to much coincidence.


Accelerated evolution

If we know for sure, man came from apes, as you allege where is the proof?
We don't know for sure as you allege do we?

You are a scientist right.
Can you really make statements like that without proof?
Try and publish a peer reviewed paper without proof.
You will be the laughing stock of the community.
Would you not?

This is the exact point I was trying to make.
We do not have the missing link.
It does not exist.
This suggests accelerated evolution in a lab.
The virus seem to have made a huge/impossible evolutionary jump to infect humans.

Much like humans....
How can you say this is true for sure without the missing link.
It is pure speculation on your part is it not?
If you say it is not....
Please provide the missing link.

Let us start with this short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-S-Qq9M53Y
I am still waiting on Chimera's answer to this question.
Why is it very clear to her this thing is a product of Accelerated evolution.

The jump is too large to make in on leap.
It would need to do it incrementally.
But the natural evolutionary steps are missing, they do not exist.
This indicates human intervention does it not.

 

[Chimera]

HIV did not just jump from humans from monkeys , thats what Robert Gallo would have you believe.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1088489/

Let me digest some of your links as they are newto me.

Re the polio vaccine / AIDS theory.... that's pretty weak sauce amigo

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15103367

Nature. 2004 Apr 22;428(6985):820.
Origin of AIDS: contaminated polio vaccine theory refuted.
Worobey M1, Santiago ML, Keele BF, Ndjango JB, Joy JB, Labama BL, Dhed'A BD, Rambaut A, Sharp PM, Shaw GM, Hahn BH.

Abstract
Despite strong evidence to the contrary, speculation continues that the AIDS virus, human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1), may have crossed into humans as a result of contamination of the oral polio vaccine (OPV). This 'OPV/AIDS theory' claims that chimpanzees from the vicinity of Stanleyville--now Kisangani in the Democratic Republic of Congo--were the source of a simian immunodeficiency virus (SIVcpz) that was transmitted to humans when chimpanzee tissues were allegedly used in the preparation of OPV. Here we show that SIVcpz is indeed endemic in wild chimpanzees of this region but that the circulating virus is phylogenetically distinct from all strains of HIV-1, providing direct evidence that these chimpanzees were not the source of the human AIDS pandemic.


May I ask Cheesegez... are you against vaccines?

 

[Chimera]

For anyone pushing Judy Mikovits' garbage.. or thinks she is some type of expert needs to read this:

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/...l-nonsense-judi-mikovits-plague-of-corruption

Judy Mikovits has an urgent story to tell. In essence, it goes like this: Top government scientists are responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic, and a lot else besides. She knows because she was once one of them, before they tried to destroy her in an attempt to cover up the shoddiness of their work. America's top public health officials, she says, cannot be trusted.

Even if it's absolute nonsense (and to be entirely clear, it is) a lot of people want to hear this story, which is why Mikovits is atop the Amazon best-seller list and going so furiously viral—with a little help from some of the biggest figures in the anti-vaccine and conspiracy worlds, as well as several more mainstream public figures—that Youtube and Facebook can't keep her off their platforms, even as they attempt to pull down videos that feature her making entirely risible claims. That this veteran of the fringe is having this moment in the spotlight is surprising—and yet somehow entirely predictable.

What's surprising about Mikovits' viral moment is that the former chronic fatigue researcher experienced a precipitous fall from grace more than a decade ago, when a study she was involved in was retracted. She was subsequently fired from the lab where she worked over an unrelated controversy and charged with stealing property from her former employer. (The criminal charges were ultimately dismissed.) In the years between then and now, Mikovits remade herself as a purported expert in the anti-vaccine world. Like many anti-vaccine figures, she’s now pivoting to coronavirus skepticism, a stance as evidence-free as her previous endeavors and yet, given the fragile times we’re living in, a lot more successful.

Mikovits is the central character in a supposed documentary titled Plandemic, produced by a New Age film company called Elevate Films and its CEO Mikki Willis. (We say “supposed” because what’s circulating is a 26-minute clip—it’s unclear if or when the full documentary might appear.) It has, over the past few days, been in heavy rotation across all the major social media platforms. YouTube has pulled it down multiple times for violating community guidelines, and Facebook, on which it was widely spread by talking golf shirts, announced yesterday that it would also pull down the video for promoting misinformation. (Digital Trends reported that by the time the video was pulled from Facebook, it had garnered 1.8 million views, 17,000 comments and nearly 150,000 shares.) Despite this, it has managed to stay circulating, as NBC News pointed out yesterday, with the help of luminaries like Larry the Cable Guy and various Instagram influencers.


The number of provably false and misleading claims in the film are almost too many to list, but a few stand out as especially egregious. Mikovits is the only “expert” interviewed in the film, which should, in itself, be a pretty big red flag. So too is the apocalyptic, inflammatory language used by filmmaker Mikki Willis, who begins by claiming, in a somber voiceover, that “the minions of Big Pharma waged war on Dr. Mikovits” for her work.

In their conversation, Willis and Mikovits claim she was “arrested and put under a gag order” for making “a discovery that conflicted with the agreed-upon narrative.” This is an extraordinarily vague and misleading summation of what actually happened. In 2009, Mikovits and her coauthors claimed in a paper published in Science that their research showed that a mouse retrovirus called XMRV was responsible for chronic fatigue syndrome in humans. The methods behind the study were immediately, heavily criticized by the broader science community, and while Mikovits and some of her co-authors spent two years defending the results, the paper was ultimately fully retracted by Science itself. (Before that, in October of 2011, it was partly retracted, after the 13 co-authors signed a statement admitting that contamination marred the samples provided by one of the labs involved in the study. The authors were unable to agree on the wording of a full retraction, and so the journal pulled the study without their consent in December 2011.) Since then, other studies have confirmed that the mouse retrovirus definitively does not cause chronic fatigue syndrome.

By 2011, Mikovits was also making claims that, in retrospect, look like foreshadowing. As the New York Times reported at the time, Mikovits “raised eyebrows among other scientists for stating at conferences that murine leukemia viruses could be related to autism.” Soon after the study was partially retracted, in early December of that year, Mikovits was fired by the Reno lab where she worked at the time, the Whittemore Peterson Institute, for refusing to share a cell line—a type of cell culture—with one of her former collaborators. (The Institute denied that her firing had anything to do with the debunked study.) Mikovits was subsequently arrested and charged with theft when the Institute accused her of stealing a computer and lab notebooks from them. The charges were dropped in 2012, in part due to a mess of severe conflicts among all the parties in the case. As Science wrote, “The judge removed himself from the case because he received campaign donations from WPI co-founder Harvey Whittemore, who himself has been criminally charged with making illegal campaign contributions to a federal official.”

A civil lawsuit the Peterson Institute filed against Mikovits, which sought millions of dollars in damages against her, was decided in the Institute’s favor. The matter appears to have been settled out of court; the amount she was required to pay, if any, isn’t public. Court records show Mikovits filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy petition in California in 2012. A federal lawsuit Mikovits filed against her former employer was dismissed in March 2020.


All of this presents a very clear narrative: A scientist was involved in questionable work and, allegedly, far more questionable conduct involving the theft of documents, and suffered the consequences of it. Mikovits has flipped this narrative, using the facts as evidence that she suffered because she dared to challenged the establishment. She has used what happened next that way, too—and very successfully, perhaps because some of the players involved are so prominent at this particular moment. But the facts of what happened are mundane.

After her very public firing, Mikovits was not run out of the scientific community, but found new work, supervising some data for a government-led chronic fatigue study spearheaded by Dr. Ian Lipkin of Columbia University. Here is where Dr. Anthony Fauci, whom Mikovits has accused of personally stifling her research, comes in.

Fauci, of course, is the top scientific expert involved in the U.S. government’s coronavirus response. In 2012, he was leading the Office of AIDS Research at the National Institutes of Health. The study headed by Lipkin was initiated at Fauci’s request and involved multiple institutes, and was meant to finally settle the question of whether XMRV was linked to chronic fatigue. The study found, definitively, that it was not, and the issue seemed firmly settled. Mikovits can even be seen in a 2012 video of a press conference on the findings, describing her role in the study and seeming to agree with its findings. (She’s featured 19 minutes in at the video at the link.)


“It's simply not there," she said. "Now is the time to use these valuable materials and move forward. And that's what science is all about. And that's what this opportunity was for the patient population and why I think it was so important that it was supported at the level it was by the NIH."

“Dr. Mikovits was funded in a study designed to test whether she and her colleagues could replicate findings reported in 2011 in Science magazine that showed an association between XMRV and ME/CFS,” Lipkin told VICE in an email. “She could not replicate those findings. Research teams at the NIH and the CDC also found no association.”

This was, seemingly, science working as it should. By 2014, however, things had taken a turn, and Mikovits had resurfaced in the anti-vaccine world. She’s spoken, for instance, multiple times at Autism One, the largest anti-vaccine conference in the country. In those lectures, she’s introduced such bogus claims as one that Zika, Ebola, and West Nile Virus were all “produced in a lab.”


At the same time, the narrative around Mikovits' work began to transform. By 2018, as Snopes noted that year, she had begun to be "lionzed by the medical conspiracy community," with sites like Natural News and the Real Farmacy—both of which frequently promote pseudoscience and conspiracy theories—offering a version of events where she had been persecuted for uncovering a truth the Deep State didn't want brought to light. Real Farmacy described her firing and the criminal charges like this:

he was thrown in prison for research that led to the discovery that deadly retroviruses have been transmitted to twenty-five million Americans through human vaccines … It was not long after the implications from the paper became clear and the Deep State saw the threat that was being posed to the vaccine industry that their powerful mechanisms of cover-up, obfuscation, and deception were activated.


Mikovits' work, of course, had proved nothing of the sort, and wasn't about vaccines at all. Soon after, per Snopes, she'd also begun claiming Fauci himself had sent an email threatened to have her arrested if she was seen on NIH property. Fauci denied sending such an email to Snopes, telling the site:

I have no idea what she is talking about. I can categorically state that I have never sent such an e-mail to Dr. Ruscetti. I had my IT people here at NIH search all my e-mails and no such e-mail exists. Having said that, I would never make such a statement in an e-mail that anyone “would be immediately arrested” if they stepped foot on NIH property.

Mikovits now claims, in Plandemic, that she was “under a gag order for five years” and forced into bankruptcy, and that, as a result, she couldn’t bring “97 witnesses which included Tony Fauci and Ian Lipkin ... who would’ve had to testify that we did absolutely nothing wrong.” Her timeline incoherently weaves back and forth from her work at Whittemoore to the NIH-backed study and back again. She presents a narrative in which she has been silenced and persecuted without engaging with what actually happened in her career. She also claims the “Department of Justice and the FBI colluded” to silence the truth behind the case, without it being entirely clear which case she means.

All of this amounts to her adducing her background as proof of her credibility without engaging with the details of that background. This is a typical maneuver in conspiracy circles, in which establishment credentials are valuable currency that needn't be examined too closely, and being run out of the establishment is even more valuable.

From there, the clip with Willis shifts into straightforward book promotion. Mikovits recently wrote a book titled Plague of Corruption with a co-author named Kent Heckenlively, who is a founding contributing editor to the anti-vaccine site Age of Autism and a regular contributor to the Bolen Report, a site that frequently traffics in anti-vaccine rhetoric. (It has a section devoted to the “VACCINE HOAX," for context.) But Mikovits finds time to make a number of other, bewildering claims, as Dr. David Gorski of the blog Respectful Insolence points out: “Indeed, the amount of nonsense, misinformation, disinformation, and conspiracy mongering in Mikovits’ response to questions is truly epic. She likens COVID-19 infection to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) ... She agrees with the conspiracy theory that doctors are being pushed to misclassify deaths due to other causes as due to COVID-19.”

Along with these things, Mikovits makes a claim that coronavirus was higher in Italy because of an “untested influenza vaccine” that contained dog cells.

“Dogs have lots of coronaviruses,” Mikovits says, confidently. “That’s why they’re not testing there.”


This returns to a claim that Mikovits made in a video VICE reported on in late April. In the video, which has since been removed, Mikovits claim that the novel coronavirus was secretly caused by a “bad strain” of flu vaccine that circulated between 2013 and 2015, adding that masks will “activate” the virus and reinfect a mask-wearer over and over. (Handwashing is also discouraged, for similarly incoherent reasons, despite it having been a basic standard of sanitation since the mid-1800s.)

“Is it safe to say that anything that can’t be patented is being shut down because there’s no way to profit from it?” Willis asks, near the end of the clip. ”All these natural remedies that we’ve had for thousands of years?’

In what will by now come as no surprise, Mikovits agrees that, yes, that’s what’s happening. “The game is to prevent the therapies until everyone is infected and push the vaccines,” she says, "knowing the flu vaccines increase the odds by 36 percent of getting COVID-19.”

That claim, that flu vaccines increase the odds of getting the coronavirus, is flatly and profoundly false, as are the claims Mikovits and Willis make about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malaria drug touted by President Trump which has failed to help COVID-19 patients in hospital studies. Those claims are followed, soon after, by Mikovits asserting that “healing microbes” can be found on the seas and sands of the beach. (This is why, it is implied, the beaches have been closed on the coasts of the United States.)

“You’ve got sequences in the soil, in the sand, you’ve got healing microbes in the ocean, in the saltwater,” Mikovits proclaims in voiceover, over a soaring aerial shot of a beach. “That’s insanity.”

All of this seems to be included in the service of making the point that we should reopen America and go outside. For good measure, as Gorski of Respecful Insolence points out, Willis throws in a clip of Dr. Dan Erickson and Artin Masahi, two urgent care doctors in California whose amateurish study extrapolating the incidence of new coronavirus antibodies in their patients to the U.S. population and arguing for America to reopen has been condemned by the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine, which said in a statement, “These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19. As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.”

Mikovits also finds time to claim that the drug Suramin can treat autism and “give children back their voice" but was suppressed by Monsanto, which is even more absurd. The drug was given to patients in a small, randomized clinical trial at UC San Diego’s School of Medicine, where it was found that an intravenous dose “produced dramatic, but transient, improvement of core symptoms” of autism spectrum disorder. It’s not clear why she’s claiming Monsanto was involved, or, indeed, what the point is of bringing Suramin into the discussion, except to throw another purported instance of Malfeasance By Big Pharma into the clip.

The volume of nonsense and revisionist history in the clip is truly, profoundly exhausting—which makes its virality depressing. And while the claims made in the video are incoherent, the underlying point is pretty clear: The fear and panic over COVID-19 are part of a larger plot of oppression and enslavement, with Fauci at its head. It’s classic conspiracy theorizing, wrapped in a slightly contemporary packaging.

“These institutions that are polluting our environment and our bodies, there was a time they had to fight their own battles,” Willis proclaims. “But they’ve done such a good job manipulating the masses. There is no dissenting voices allowed anymore in this free country, which is something I would have never thought I would live to see.”

“It’s beyond comprehension how a society can be so fooled,” Mikovits agrees. It’s “great news,” she says, “that the doctors are waking up."

Mikovits and Willis have had some very famous help promoting Plandemic: The clip has been heavily promoted by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s anti-vaccine organization Children’s Health Defense; Kennedy also wrote the foreword to a Plague of Corruption. As of yesterday, thanks to their promotions and the attentions of popular right-wing, conspiracy-leaning sites like Gateway Pundit and people like conservative commentator Michelle Malkin, who’s enthusiastically promoted it, the book was the number one bestseller in Amazon's Books category.


This is where things get entirely predictable. As this pandemic drags on, nothing in the world is more appealing, for some people, than to find new reasons to believe that things aren’t quite as dire as they look. Staying home or being out of work or putting yourself at risk on the job every day: All of those are, in their own ways, difficult, depressing, life-changing. The strain of worrying about death, sickness, and economic collapse makes any alternative look appealing.

The suggestion that the pandemic was “planned” or overhyped feeds into that. It suggests that smart people will look beyond the official story and choose to be angry, instead of afraid. It suggests that Fauci, scientists, and public health experts—the entire medical community—have lined up behind a dangerous and damaging hoax. It suggests that everything is going to be okay, if you simply choose not to believe them.

And while none of that is true, and while the threat of coronavirus is as real and deadly as ever, there is, as Plandemic proves, attention to be had, and money to be made, from telling people otherwise.

 

[Mr. J]

Copypasta from Vice. Credible source. Lol.

 

[Cheesegez]

Let me digest some of your links as they are newto me.

Re the polio vaccine / AIDS theory.... that's pretty weak sauce amigo

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15103367

Nature. 2004 Apr 22;428(6985):820.
Origin of AIDS: contaminated polio vaccine theory refuted.
Worobey M1, Santiago ML, Keele BF, Ndjango JB, Joy JB, Labama BL, Dhed'A BD, Rambaut A, Sharp PM, Shaw GM, Hahn BH.

Abstract
Despite strong evidence to the contrary, speculation continues that the AIDS virus, human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1), may have crossed into humans as a result of contamination of the oral polio vaccine (OPV). This 'OPV/AIDS theory' claims that chimpanzees from the vicinity of Stanleyville--now Kisangani in the Democratic Republic of Congo--were the source of a simian immunodeficiency virus (SIVcpz) that was transmitted to humans when chimpanzee tissues were allegedly used in the preparation of OPV. Here we show that SIVcpz is indeed endemic in wild chimpanzees of this region but that the circulating virus is phylogenetically distinct from all strains of HIV-1, providing direct evidence that these chimpanzees were not the source of the human AIDS pandemic.


May I ask Cheesegez... are you against vaccines?

Chimera , with enough money anything can be debunked or refuted.. you know there are scientists out there that make good money from fabrication and lies.. it happens in most trades, we've seen it ours recently..

as for the aids subject , I may of pointed at the wrong link, I read a lot of books and sometimes information isn't online.. we are sort of going off topic HIV is a different kettle of fish, but even still the accepted theory is more plausible that the orgins of the coronavirus.

Am I against vaccines ? NO

But I am skeptical about the possible hidden agendas behind them, as we all should be..

 

[geneva_sativa]

Copypasta from Vice. Credible source. Lol.

Exactly !!! Disney cabal for wannabe hipster asshats,,, surprise surprise,,,

And he talks about garbage and weak sauce,,,

 

[Chimera]

I'll be waiting for your much greater contribution Mr J & geneva_hemp

Easy to talk smack about someone else's writing... why don't you post something that can lead everyone to the surely well-reasoned conclusions you have come to?

 

[geneva_sativa]

Actually, I'm fine to watch you throwing your weight around,, and notice your same condescending tone, that bring s to mind so many of your posts here,,,

Kind of reminds me of the Great Oz,,, talkin about how hes a big boy,,, LOL

 

[Chimera]

Gotchya, self relegated to the peanut gallery.

About par for your course

 

[geneva_sativa]

Yeah,,, no matter what anyone posts,,, ol' chimey will be there to save the day and prove beyond the shadow of a doubt,, the official narrative is all there is,,, whatta good boy !

must be tough, to watch people believing things that your smart brain had already ascertained to be unscientifically proven inna textbook

But that anger and frustration can get the best of ya,

 

[Chimera]

*insert feelings here*

 

[Chimera]

For those hat didn't like the vice article, here is another from Sciencemag.org. No shortage of good article debunking this crazy bitch.

Its amazing that people take her word, yet refuse to accept the piles of evidence that shows she is not a credible source...

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral#

Fact-checking Judy Mikovits, the controversial virologist attacking Anthony Fauci in a viral conspiracy video
By Martin Enserink, Jon CohenMay

In a video that has exploded on social media in the past few days, virologist Judy Mikovits claims the new coronavirus is being wrongly blamed for many deaths. She makes head-scratching assertions about the virus—for instance, that it is “activated” by face masks.


Mikovits also accuses Anthony Fauci, head of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and a prominent member of the White House’s Coronavirus Task Force, of being responsible for the deaths of millions during the early years of the HIV/AIDS pandemic. The video claims Mikovits was part of the team that discovered HIV, revolutionized HIV treatment, and was jailed without charges for her scientific positions.

Science fact-checked the video. None of these claims are true. The video is an excerpt from a forthcoming movie Plandemic, which promises to “expose the scientific and political elite who run the scam that is our global health system.” YouTube, Facebook, and other platforms have taken down the video because of inaccuracies. It keeps resurfacing, including on the Plandemic website, which, in “an effort to bypass the gatekeepers of free speech,” invites people to download the video and repost it.

But first, who is Judy Mikovits?

Mikovits started her career as a lab technician at the National Cancer Institute (NCI) in 1988. She became a scientist and obtained a Ph.D. in biochemistry and molecular biology from George Washington University in 1991. By 2009, she was research director at the Whittemore Peterson Institute (WPI), a private research center in Reno, Nevada, but she remained largely unknown to the scientific community. That year, however, she co-authored a paper in Science that suggested an obscure agent named xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) caused chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).

The cause of CFS, also called myalgic encephalomyelitis, had long remained elusive, and the disease had been neglected by science. The study created hope that CFS might become treatable with antivirals. Some patients even began to take antiretroviral drugs used by HIV-infected people. But the paper also created worries that XMRV might spread via the blood supply.

Other researchers soon questioned the findings, and over the next 2 years, the paper’s claims fell apart. Researchers showed that XMRV was created accidentally in the lab during mouse experiments; it may never have infected any humans. The authors first retracted two figures and a table from the paper in October 2011. Around the same time, a study by several labs, including WPI itself, showed the findings couldn’t be replicated.

Two months later, the entire Science paper was retracted. Mikovits refused to sign the retraction notice, but she took part in another major replication effort. That $2.3 million study, led by Ian Lipkin of Columbia University and funded by the National Institutes of Health, was “the definitive answer,” Mikovits said at a September 2012 press conference where the results were announced. The rigorous study looked for XMRV in blinded blood samples from nearly 300 people, half of whom had the disease, and none had the virus. “There is no evidence that XMRV is a human pathogen,” Mikovits conceded.

Science’s news department, which works independently from its editorial side, followed the saga closely and published a detailed reconstruction of the fiasco in September 2011. (The story won a Communications Award from the American Society for Microbiology.)

Around the same time, Mikovits had an explosive breakup with WPI. The institute filed suit against her in November 2011 for allegedly removing laboratory notebooks and keeping other proprietary information on her laptop, on flash drives, and in a personal email account. She was arrested in California on felony charges that she was a fugitive from justice and jailed for several days. Prosecutors in Washoe county, Nevada, eventually dropped criminal charges against her in June 2012.

Mikovits has not published anything in the scientific literature since 2012. But she soon began to promote the XMRV hypothesis again, and attack the Lipkin study that she agreed had put the issue to rest. She has weighed in on the autism debate with controversial theories about causes and treatments. Her discredited work and her legal travails have made her a martyr in the eyes of some.

Now comes a new book she co-authored, Plague of Corruption: Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science—billed as “a behind the scenes look at the issues and egos which will determine the future health of humanity”—and the viral video, which is an extended interview with Mikovits.

Science asked Mikovits for an interview for this article. She responded by sending an empty email with, as attachments, a copy of her new book and a PowerPoint of a 2019 presentation titled “Persecution and Coverup.”

Below are some of the video’s main claims and allegations, along with the facts.

Interviewer: Dr. Judy Mikovits has been called one of the most accomplished scientists of her generation.

Mikovits had authored 40 scientific papers and wasn’t widely known in the scientific community before she published the 2009 Science paper claiming a link between a new retrovirus and CFS. The paper was later proven erroneous and retracted.

Interviewer: Her 1991 doctoral thesis revolutionized the treatment of HIV/AIDS.

Mikovits’s Ph.D. thesis, “Negative Regulation of HIV Expression in Monocytes,” had no discernible impact on the treatment of HIV/AIDS.

Interviewer: At the height of her career, Dr. Mikovits published a blockbuster article in the journal Science. The controversial article sent shock waves through the scientific community, as it revealed that the common use of animal and human fetal tissues was unleashing devastating plagues of chronic diseases.

The paper revealed nothing of the sort; it only claimed to show a link between one condition, CFS, and a mouse retrovirus.

Mikovits: I was held in jail, with no charges.

The district attorney in Washoe county, Nevada, filed a criminal complaint against Mikovits that charged her with illegally taking computer data and related property from WPI. The charges were dropped, in part because of legal troubles faced by her former employer.

Mikovits: Heads of our entire HHS [Department of Health and Human Services] colluded and destroyed my reputation and the Department of Justice and the [Federal Bureau of Investigation] sat on it, and kept that case under seal.

Mikovits has presented no direct evidence that HHS heads colluded against her.

Mikovits: [Fauci] directed the cover-up. And in fact, everybody else was paid off, and paid off big time, millions of dollars in funding from Tony Fauci and … the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. These investigators that committed the fraud, continue to this day to be paid big time by the NIAID.

It’s not clear which fraud and what cover-up Mikovits is talking about exactly. There is no evidence that Fauci was involved in a cover-up or that anyone was paid off with funding from him or his institute. No one has been charged with fraud in relation to Mikovits’s allegations.

Mikovits: It started really when I was 25 years old, and I was part of the team that isolated HIV from the saliva and blood of the patients from France where [virologist Luc] Montagnier had originally isolated the virus. … Fauci holds up the publication of the paper for several months while Robert Gallo writes his own paper and takes all the credit, and of course patents are involved. This delay of the confirmation, you know, literally led to spreading the virus around, you know, killing millions.

At the time of HIV’s discovery, Mikovits was a lab technician in Francis Ruscetti’s lab at NCI and had yet to receive her Ph.D. There is no evidence that she was part of the team that first isolated the virus. Her first published paper, co-authored with Ruscetti, was on HIV and published in May 1986, 2 years after Science published four landmark papers that linked HIV (then called HTLV-III by Gallo’s lab) to AIDS. Ruscetti’s first paper on HIV appeared in August 1985. There is no evidence that Fauci held up either paper or that this led to the death of millions.

Interviewer: If we activate mandatory vaccines globally, I imagine these people stand to make hundreds of billions of dollars that own the vaccines.

Mikovits: And they’ll kill millions, as they already have with their vaccines. There is no vaccine currently on the schedule for any RNA virus that works.

Vaccines have not killed millions; they have saved millions of lives. Many vaccines that work against RNA viruses are on the market, including for influenza, measles, mumps, rubella, rabies, yellow fever, and Ebola.

Interviewer: So, I have to ask you, are you antivaccine?

Mikovits: Oh, absolutely not. In fact vaccine is immune therapy, just like interferon alpha is immune therapy, so I’m not antivaccine. My job is to develop immune therapies. That’s what vaccines are.

In another recent video, Mikovits is wearing a hat that says VAXXED II, which is a sequel to a film that links the mumps, measles, and rubella vaccine to autism, a debunked theory. She also repeats several claims made by people who are leading the antivaccine movement. In the PowerPoint presentation she sent to Science, she calls for an “immediate moratorium” on all vaccines.

Interviewer: Do you believe that this virus [SARS-CoV-2] was created in the laboratory?

Mikovits: I wouldn’t use the word created. But you can’t say naturally occurring if it was by way of the laboratory. So it’s very clear this virus was manipulated. This family of viruses was manipulated and studied in a laboratory where the animals were taken into the laboratory, and this is what was released, whether deliberate or not. That cannot be naturally occurring. Somebody didn’t go to a market, get a bat, the virus didn’t jump directly to humans. That’s not how it works. That’s accelerated viral evolution. If it was a natural occurrence, it would take up to 800 years to occur.

Scientific estimates suggest the closest virus to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is a bat coronavirus identified by the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Its “distance” in evolutionary time to SARS-CoV-2 is about 20 to 80 years. There is no evidence this bat virus was manipulated.

Interviewer: And do you have any ideas of where this occurred?

Mikovits: Oh yeah, I’m sure it occurred between the North Carolina laboratories, Fort Detrick, the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, and the Wuhan laboratory.

There is no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 originated at WIV. NIAID’s funding of a U.S. group that works with the Wuhan lab has been stopped, which outraged many scientists.

Mikovits: Italy has a very old population. They’re very sick with inflammatory disorders. They got at the beginning of 2019 an untested new form of influenza vaccine that had four different strains of influenza, including the highly pathogenic H1N1. That vaccine was grown in a cell line, a dog cell line. Dogs have lots of coronaviruses.

There is no evidence that links any influenza vaccine, or a dog coronavirus, to Italy’s COVID-19 epidemic.

Mikovits: Wearing the mask literally activates your own virus. You’re getting sick from your own reactivated coronavirus expressions, and if it happens to be SARS-CoV-2, then you’ve got a big problem.

It’s not clear what Mikovits means by “coronavirus expressions.” There is no evidence that wearing a mask can activate viruses and make people sick.

Mikovits: Why would you close the beach? You’ve got sequences in the soil, in the sand. You’ve got healing microbes in the ocean in the salt water. That’s insanity.

It’s not clear what Mikovits means by sand or soil “sequences.” There is no evidence that microbes in the ocean can heal COVID-19 patients.

 

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