Wuhan Coronavirus is an Offensive Biological Warfare Weapon

[Chimera]

if someone refered to me as a scammer i wouldn't be interested in having a discussion.

The only thing they throw from the peanut gallery is shells. A gnat is a nuisance, but doesn't cause any real damage- irrelevant.

its really annoying that even something like this has become a partisan issue for the US. i notice myself, if i happen to say something that in anyway agree with 1 of the million things Trump has said you get hate, from 1 side and love from the other, no one actually makes their own mind up it seems. but yeah, you need to refrain from insulting people if you really are interested in what they have to say.

Someone gave me grief for saying that Trump's decisions to limit flights from China limited infection direct from the source.
It was a fact, supported by ample evidence, no emotions attached or attributed. No praise or judgement. It just was. But people get all bent out of shape. It goes to show you how manipulated this entire discussion is these days...

 

[Chimera]

Your sources are bodyandsoul.au & buzzfeed?

I'm not debating this with you Shaggy. People with a degree of rationality can read the information and decide for themselves. If they decide you are right, them's the way of the world. Dog help us all.

There is nothing I could possibly say that will change your mind, this was obvious when I posted in this thread, its been clear from every interaction I have had with you on the website.

 

[gaiusmarius]

The only thing they throw from the peanut gallery is shells. A gnat is a nuisance, but doesn't cause any real damage- irrelevant.


respect.

Someone gave me grief for saying that Trump's decisions to limit flights from China limited infection direct from the source.
It was a fact, supported by ample evidence, no emotions attached or attributed. No praise or judgement. It just was. But people get all bent out of shape. It goes to show you how manipulated this entire discussion is these days...

same thing happened to me about that one, hehe.

 

[gaiusmarius]

This virus may not be natural.

[YOUTUBEIF]wJzGqVyAtlg [/YOUTUBEIF]

Interesting to know that anti-coagulants seems to be better to give than put the patient on a ventilator after research of a Swiss pathologist on 21 deceased people.

i found this video to be the most authorative sounding. the last third of the video he takes appart the genome sequence and shows some interesting variations and mutations, but my lack of knowledge on the topic would make me easy to mislead on this topic, so i will stay with; i don't know, for now anyway, lol.

ps: the part about the thread topic starts at 23.10 in the video.

 

[shaggyballs]

if someone refered to me as a scammer i wouldn't be interested in having a discussion.

its really annoying that even something like this has become a partisan issue for the US. i notice myself, if i happen to say something that in anyway agree with 1 of the million things Trump has said you get hate, from 1 side and love from the other, no one actually makes their own mind up it seems. but yeah, you need to refrain from insulting people if you really are interested in what they have to say.

Well he came here and called me a scammer first.
Why do you side with him?
He came here to personal attack me an to try and discredit my message.

But his talk is empty, totally empty of facts.
Fill with his feelings.
Ignoring facts, pushing bullshit on good folks here.
For an expert he has provided only BS.
See are bodies contagious for proof.
Nothing conclusive from his links, nothing at all really.
I posted a few more, since he told me to google it...LOL

Ar you saying to let them insult me, but I need to refrain?
Why would you say such a thing?

 

[Chimera]

#FakeNews

 

[Chimera]

i found this video to be the most authorative sounding. the last third of the video he takes appart the genome sequence and shows some interesting variations and mutations, but my lack of knowledge on the topic would make me easy to mislead on this topic, so i will stay with; i don't know, for now anyway, lol.

ps: the part about the thread topic starts at 23.10 in the video.

There are some stunning logical fallacies made by this guy. I have to say, I am not a fan of his vids and think his information is really lacking substance.

The conclusions he draws from the article snippits he posts are mostly inaccurate or completely erroneous. I would not say this guy is a credible source. My $0.02, take it as you will

 

[shaggyballs]

Just look at the last few pages... this is what happens when you let the lunatics run the asylum.
There you go on the personal attacks again.
Why would the world believe a known liar and scammer is beyond me.
That seems to be all you have.

Why do you avoid the question I have aske now 6 times?
I've known most of you mods for years... I know how hard it is to be a moderator. It's all volunteer work and thankless. But this thread is what happens when you lay off the delete button. The conversation gets diverted by one user's agenda.
Spin for the win, that is your go to...LOL spin for the win.
keep spinning things you can not answer.
The topic is "Wuhan Coronavirus is an Offensive Biological Warfare Weapon".

You have one user diverting the entire thread, throwing a tantrum to distract from actual contributors, so everyone can debate whether corona virus can spread via corpses?
You say I am diverting the thread...What?
Ok then answer the question I asked you now 7 times.

Something to be said for free-speech. But when it all just becomes confused noise... what's the point of paying for the bandwidth?
You are adding to said confusion by dancing around the issue.
you do not have the ability to admit when you are wrong.

I am trying to find the truth, how have you helped with that, dancing around is helpful??
No offence to the mods, I don't blame you. This is simply life on the internet of anons.

This guy is a real joker, you think he is here to help you find out the truth.

Why don't you answer the question I have asked it now 8 time.

 

[shaggyballs]

So all these sources are just wrong according to your logic?
Can you share why you feel they are lying to the public and you know better?
Here are my sources
Your turn to read them and tell me why they are not acceptable.
On March 25, the head of Thailand’s Department of Medical Services had announced the bodies of coronavirus victims were not contagious

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/coronavirus-spread-dead-body-coroner

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1885840/covid-19-corpses-not-contagious

https://vietnamtimes.org.vn/covid-1...e-contagious-coroners-case-reveals-19509.html
https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/heal...y/news-story/49e86cd69a08f9eafa95bf7f6f6d7ca6

During the first SARS outbreak in 2003, data suggested the virus could remain infectious in bodily fluids such as blood, urine and feces for 72 to 96 hours, says Jason Kindrachuk, microbiologist and assistant professor at the University of Manitoba.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/covid-questions-answered-bodies-1.5535139

Most infectious agents do not survive long in the human body after death, according to the World Health Organization.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coron...sed-body-transmits-covid-19/story?id=70144804

Contrary to common belief, there is no evidence that corpses pose a risk of epidemic disease after a natural disaster. Most agents do not survive long in the human body after death. Human remains only pose a substantial risk to health in a few special cases, such as deaths from cholera or haemorrhagic fevers.

https://www.who.int/diseasecontrol_emergencies/guidelines/risks/en/

Fact Check: Can Dead Bodies Of COVID-19 Patients Transmit Novel Coronavirus?
https://thelogicalindian.com/fact-check/dead-body-coronavirus-covid-19-20387

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...died/507-a694ea4a-ed5a-4780-91bc-6bba29d752ab

 

[Chimera]

Totally normal behaviour.

 

[shaggyballs]

Why do you refuse to answer this question.
I have asked it several time now.
This was my counter from your original post.

Let us start with this short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-S-Qq9M53Y
I am still waiting on Chimera's answer to this question.
Why is it very clear to her this thing is a product of Accelerated evolution.

The jump is too large to make in on leap.
It would need to do it incrementally.
But the natural evolutionary steps are missing, they do not exist.
This indicates human intervention does it not.

Could you be as short and direct as possible leaving any and all political references out of you explanation.

In short dumb it down for us stoners who don't talk politics, please.

 

[shaggyballs]

Totally normal behaviour.

Totally normal for a scammer and a liar to belittle the oposition with personal attacks.

Will you answer the question I have asked you over and over?

Let us start with this short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-S-Qq9M53Y
I am still waiting on Chimera's answer to this question.
Why is it very clear to her this thing is a product of Accelerated evolution.

The jump is too large to make in on leap.
It would need to do it incrementally.
But the natural evolutionary steps are missing, they do not exist.
This indicates human intervention does it not.

Could you be as short and direct as possible leaving any and all political references out of you explanation.

In short dumb it down for us stoners who don't talk politics, please.

 

[shaggyballs]

Totally normal behaviour.

Funny how you play little child games here.
You suggest my sources are incomplete.
So I post more sources, you refer to that as not normal.

What kind of game are you playing here.
Is this the way one would act in a scientific debate.
Is this the way you handle yourself when you are at work?

Quit with the games and the personal attacks.
As I stated from the start.

Let us engage in a debate like men not children.
But you had to have it your way.

Let us start with this short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-S-Qq9M53Y
I am still waiting on Chimera's answer to this question.
Why is it very clear to her this thing is a product of Accelerated evolution.

The jump is too large to make in on leap.
It would need to do it incrementally.
But the natural evolutionary steps are missing, they do not exist.
This indicates human intervention does it not.

Could you be as short and direct as possible leaving any and all political references out of you explanation.

 

[shaggyballs]

Your sources are bodyandsoul.au & buzzfeed?
And your source was trust me I know more than you do....
I'm not debating this with you Shaggy. People with a degree of rationality can read the information and decide for themselves. If they decide you are right, them's the way of the world. Dog help us all.
So you are not able to back up your side of the debate?
You say it was just hot air, with no real proof. ok,I accept that answer

There is nothing I could possibly say that will change your mind, this was obvious when I posted in this thread, its been clear from every interaction I have had with you on the website.

You speak out your ass!
Show me the proof has been the phrase I have used over and over.
Have you done that?
If so feel free to quote.
Or just keep spewing your Phylos lies you scammer.
You provide no proof for your argument but expect me to side with you?
Science without proof is purely speculation.
You have provided no proof only speculation.
If you say this is not true.
Post you proof.
Put up or shut up.

Or should we just take your word for things?
Why?
Why do that?
Why trust you?
A confirmed liar and scammer.

 

[Chimera]

So all these sources are just wrong according to your logic?

The sources are fine, you just don't understand how to read them, or are just reading the headlines. Most of them back up what I have been saying all along.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/coronavirus-spread-dead-body-coroner

"Update: This story has been updated to reflect the fact that the two authors of the original letter have since issued a “corrigendum” in the Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine stating that the forensic unit worker they had previously written about did not die, and that they had no scientific confirmation that the virus had spread to them via a dead body."

“Not just the medical examiners, but morgue technicians and the people in funeral homes need to take extra care,” said Angelique Corthals, a professor of pathology at CUNY's John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “It is a real concern.”

“Anyone coming into contact with a COVID19 positive body, alive or dead, should be using personal protective equipment to prevent exposure,” health policy expert Summer Johnson McGee of the University of New Haven told BuzzFeed News by email.... “Autopsies and subsequent investigations present real risks for coroners to acquire COVID-19,” she said.

“We need to take care of the people who take care of the dead.”


https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1885840/covid-19-corpses-not-contagious

If you actually read this article, and think this Thai government official has any idea of the realities of virology.... if you believe the absolute hogwash that is written in this article.... I simply don't even know what to say to someone so woefully blinded by obvious nonsense. Do some research on the reproductive cycle corona viruses because if you think corona viruses cease to be a contagion threat after patient death, I sincerely request you to prove it by going to your local morgue or hospital and volunteer to handle the recently deceased corpses without PPE.

https://vietnamtimes.org.vn/covid-1...e-contagious-coroners-case-reveals-19509.html

It's not surprising that the body of a recently deceased COVID-19 patient might be contagious, said Dr. Otto Yang, a professor in the Department of Medicine and the Department of Microbiology, Immunology and Molecular Genetics at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA.

"Absolutely, a dead body would be contagious at least for hours if not days," Yang told Live Science in an email. "The virus will still be in respiratory secretions, and potentially still reproducing in cells that haven't yet died in the lungs."

COVID-19's longevity in the body can be problematic for people in the funerary industry. For instance, following reports that temples in Thailand were refusing to perform funeral services of COVID-19 victims, the head of Thailand's Department of Medical Services incorrectly announced on March 25 that the disease was not contagious in bodies after death, according to Buzzfeed News.

"Anyone coming into contact with a COVID19 positive body, alive or dead, should be using personal protective equipment to prevent exposure," McGee told BuzzFeed News.

The World Health Organization (WHO) said the safety and well-being of everyone who tends to bodies should be the first priority, Tech Times reported.



Other illnesses that are contagious in human remains include tuberculosis, bloodborne viruses (such as hepatitis B and C and HIV) and gastrointestinal infections (including E. coli, hepatitis A, Salmonella infection and typhoid fever), Live Science cited WHO’s guidance.

https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/heal...y/news-story/49e86cd69a08f9eafa95bf7f6f6d7ca6

"...the head of Thailand’s Department of Medical Services had announced on March 25 that the bodies of coronavirus victims were not contagious after temples refused to perform funeral services.

However, experts disagree and stress the importance of erring on the side of caution.

“Anyone coming into contact with a COVID19 positive body, alive or dead, should be using personal protective equipment to prevent exposure,” health policy expert Summer Johnson McGee of the University of New Haven told BuzzFeed News. “Autopsies and subsequent investigations present real risks for coroners to acquire COVID-19.”

...... do we have to keep going?

Maybe you should actually read the article you post as evidence? Because these don't support the position you claim they do.

 

[shaggyballs]

The sources are fine, you just don't understand how to read them, or are just reading the headlines. Most of them back up what I have been saying all along.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/coronavirus-spread-dead-body-coroner

"Update: This story has been updated to reflect the fact that the two authors of the original letter have since issued a “corrigendum” in the Journal of Forensic and Legal Medicine stating that the forensic unit worker they had previously written about did not die, and that they had no scientific confirmation that the virus had spread to them via a dead body."

“Not just the medical examiners, but morgue technicians and the people in funeral homes need to take extra care,” said Angelique Corthals, a professor of pathology at CUNY's John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “It is a real concern.”

“Anyone coming into contact with a COVID19 positive body, alive or dead, should be using personal protective equipment to prevent exposure,” health policy expert Summer Johnson McGee of the University of New Haven told BuzzFeed News by email.... “Autopsies and subsequent investigations present real risks for coroners to acquire COVID-19,” she said.

“We need to take care of the people who take care of the dead.”


https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1885840/covid-19-corpses-not-contagious

If you actually read this article, and think this Thai government official has any idea of the realities of virology.... if you believe the absolute hogwash that is written in this article.... I simply don't even know what to say to someone so woefully blinded by obvious nonsense. Do some reasearch on the reproductive cycle corona viruses =, because if you think corona viruses cease to be a contagion threat after death, I sincerely request you to prove it by going to your local morge or hospital and volunteer to handle the recently deceased corposes without PPE.

https://vietnamtimes.org.vn/covid-1...e-contagious-coroners-case-reveals-19509.html

It's not surprising that the body of a recently deceased COVID-19 patient might be contagious, said Dr. Otto Yang, a professor in the Department of Medicine and the Department of Microbiology, Immunology and Molecular Genetics at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA.

"Absolutely, a dead body would be contagious at least for hours if not days," Yang told Live Science in an email. "The virus will still be in respiratory secretions, and potentially still reproducing in cells that haven't yet died in the lungs."

COVID-19's longevity in the body can be problematic for people in the funerary industry. For instance, following reports that temples in Thailand were refusing to perform funeral services of COVID-19 victims, the head of Thailand's Department of Medical Services incorrectly announced on March 25 that the disease was not contagious in bodies after death, according to Buzzfeed News.

"Anyone coming into contact with a COVID19 positive body, alive or dead, should be using personal protective equipment to prevent exposure," McGee told BuzzFeed News.

The World Health Organization (WHO) said the safety and well-being of everyone who tends to bodies should be the first priority, Tech Times reported.



Other illnesses that are contagious in human remains include tuberculosis, bloodborne viruses (such as hepatitis B and C and HIV) and gastrointestinal infections (including E. coli, hepatitis A, Salmonella infection and typhoid fever), Live Science cited WHO’s guidance.

https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/heal...y/news-story/49e86cd69a08f9eafa95bf7f6f6d7ca6

"...the head of Thailand’s Department of Medical Services had announced on March 25 that the bodies of coronavirus victims were not contagious after temples refused to perform funeral services.

However, experts disagree and stress the importance of erring on the side of caution.

“Anyone coming into contact with a COVID19 positive body, alive or dead, should be using personal protective equipment to prevent exposure,” health policy expert Summer Johnson McGee of the University of New Haven told BuzzFeed News. “Autopsies and subsequent investigations present real risks for coroners to acquire COVID-19.”

...... do we have to keep going?

Maybe you should actually read the article you post as evidence? Because these don't support the position you claim they do.

yes we have to keep going.
It seems you are not able to read the articles as you have misses so much from my post.
Ok you cherry picked through those.
What about the WHO for a source?

During the first SARS outbreak in 2003, data suggested the virus could remain infectious in bodily fluids such as blood, urine and feces for 72 to 96 hours, says Jason Kindrachuk, microbiologist and assistant professor at the University of Manitoba.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/covid-questions-answered-bodies-1.5535139

Most infectious agents do not survive long in the human body after death, according to the World Health Organization.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coron...sed-body-transmits-covid-19/story?id=70144804

Contrary to common belief, there is no evidence that corpses pose a risk of epidemic disease after a natural disaster. Most agents do not survive long in the human body after death. Human remains only pose a substantial risk to health in a few special cases, such as deaths from cholera or haemorrhagic fevers.

https://www.who.int/diseasecontrol_emergencies/guidelines/risks/en/

Fact Check: Can Dead Bodies Of COVID-19 Patients Transmit Novel Coronavirus?
https://thelogicalindian.com/fact-check/dead-body-coronavirus-covid-19-20387

 

[shaggyballs]

Seems a bit of he said she said to me.

How can you be so very sure you are right here?
I am not claiming to be right, just seeking truth.
Why are you?

 

[Chimera]

The discourse here on ICmag has really settled to an embarrassing level.

I guess you earn the level of discourse you curate.

 

[gaiusmarius]

i am not siding with anyone, just like to see a real discussion and that only works if people are a bit careful with their words and maintain some diplomacy when arguing a certain aspect. to me, making this subject about sides is one of the problems.

 

[shaggyballs]

Let us engage in a debate like men not children.
But you had to have it your way.

Let us start with this short video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-S-Qq9M53Y
I am still waiting on Chimera's answer to this question.
Why is it very clear to her this thing is a product of Accelerated evolution.

The jump is too large to make in on leap.
It would need to do it incrementally.
But the natural evolutionary steps are missing, they do not exist.
This indicates human intervention does it not.

Could you be as short and direct as possible leaving any and all political references out of you explanation.