Why Work? The Zero Work Movement

[sophisto]

What point(s) are you trying to make?

1. if you dont love what you do do something else.

2. If you have nothing and are in some unforseen poor circumstance then taking from a government that taxes us specifically for these types of programs isnt wrong.

3. If everyone had a work mentality like you and I there would be no unemployment. This is not true though and I can sympathize rather than ridicule someone for not sharing the same work ethic.

These are my main points.

 

[Gangabiss]

No, that's not name calling. That's me saying he is using the logic of a 5 year old...if I were to call him names I would have said he is a 5 year old. There's a big difference.

And I said I didn't begin by calling names. I'm not saying I didn't get annoyed and respond with hostility...after all that's human nature.

Call me a worthless parasite and I'll feel threatened.

Some things have to be pointed out...he was twisting mine and sophistos words to look like we were being hostile. Calling people names without making any valid points...that is the logic of a 5 year old.

 

[Guest]

3. If everyone had a work mentality like you and I there would be no unemployment. This is not true though and I can sympathize rather than ridicule someone for not sharing the same work ethic.

In this society you are expected to make an effort to support yourself, even if it means getting a job you do not like.

If you can't find a job you can't like, or if you flat out just don't wanna work - and you mooch - I have no sympathy for that. I have more sympathy for going out and living in the woods than I do mooching.

I have no problem and can sympathize with people who don't wanna work at all. I can't tolerate people who feel that way and steal from welfare from people who are actually working to provide that welfare money.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

A capitalistic system has the freedom to make themselves into a socialist system, if they are that misguided. But that says nothing about capitalism actually workin

why is socialism misguided according to you anyway? everyone works for themselves and each other and no one is able to exploit another. sounds too diabolical?

peace

 

[sophisto]

Yes. Someone stealing my tax dollars by intentionally not working and taking advantage of the welfare system over people who REALLY need it are without a doubt something I won't tolerate.

Sorry. We have rules, and those rules are that stealing in a society is not tolerated. Otherwise, it'd be chaos. That's why it won't be tolerated.

Here is an interesting point I would like to make is you talk highly of the system we have and how stealing is wrong right??? So I trust that this system or society that doesnt tolerate stealing whould be in charge of things right?? So why is it that this system allows people to steal from the welfare system....HUHHH maybe because they themselves are stelaing from it too....?? Ever think of that... We trust them to much and believe what they want us to too much....

Note that I am not insulting you I am just sharing my opinion if you dont like my opinion thats cool. I only ask that you being so proud of our system and work ethic just think outside the box for a minute and try to understand the big picture here. Our Welfare system needs to be reformed. Our welfare system is easily taken advantage of not because people are parasites but because they are allowed to. If our system ( society didnt allow it to happen then it wouldnt. They do alow it though and that raises an interesting question WHY???????

 

[Guest]

The system "allows" people to steal from it because there are problems with it, not because there is some conspiracy to allow these people to steal.

I don't even know the basics of welfare requirements but I'd expect there are some attempts at aim at lessening improper use of the welfare benefits.

 

[Guest]

why is socialism misguided according to you anyway? everyone works for themselves and each other and no one is able to exploit another. sounds too diabolical?

peace

Definition of socialism:

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

3: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

That's why I find it to be misguided

Plus,
You don't work for yourself when you can't own private property..

 

[Berry_Coughin']

All you no working lazy bastards better be mono cultural people... then we have no beef..... but if you're welfare lazy trash degenerates, to hell with you....

 

[sophisto]

why is socialism misguided according to you anyway? everyone works for themselves and each other and no one is able to exploit another. sounds too diabolical?

peace

Socialism is guided and it teaches tolerance of others character, inspiartions and the lack there of.. In my opinion it is the closest thing to a Village that we in modern life can have.. This was the problem of man kind We left the village became the village idiot and helped them build their empire....We still do it today dont we????.......LOL

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Definition of socialism:

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

3: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

That's why I find it to be misguided

Plus,
You don't work for yourself when you can't own private property..

that's an outdated definition of socialism, definetly not the socialism of the xxi century.
heck, even china nowdays allows private property...
update your info.
peace.

 

[NiteTiger]

At least gangabiss isnt a crack dealer like the vast majority of welfare recipients around these parts.

What a wonderfully narrow minded statement.

 

[Gangabiss]

Meet the most beloved parasites in the country.

But that's ok because they are royalty...

I'm not saying you think this too....just pointing out how hypocritical the masses can be.

 

[Berry_Coughin']

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=49081&highlight=socialism

 

[Guest]

that's an outdated definition of socialism, definetly not the socialism of the xxi century.
heck, even china nowdays allows private property...
update your info.
peace.

Basic premise of socialism: Gov't owns way too much, and people's money is redistributed too much for my liking. I'm very liberal in US terms but socialism is just too liberal for me.

 

[Guest]

Meet the most beloved parasites in the country.

But that's ok because they are royalty...

I'm not saying you think this too....just pointing out how hypocritical the masses can be.

How we still have Kings and Queens in the 21st century is amazing, in a notsogood way

 

[T-type]

What a wonderfully narrow minded statement.

Yeah I know, but I'm a middle class citizen from a smaller town. Thats the way it is around here. I have no doubt that welfare truly can be a great program getting people back on its feet but the fact of the matter is the only people that can use it well are those who know the inner workings and how to stay on it and sell drugs.

 

[sophisto]

The system "allows" people to steal from it because there are problems with it, not because there is some conspiracy to allow these people to steal.

I don't even know the basics of welfare requirements but I'd expect there are some attempts at aim at lessening improper use of the welfare benefits.

You see this is the problem most of us fight for a principal that we dont even understand. I even being a working tax apying citizen could easily apply for welfare and get it.....That is how f'ed up the system is...and trust me you may not think they are stealing from it but they are.....They feed us so much crap about how we should hat the moochers and "parasites" that we cant see past these guys to see who the real thief is..... KInda like a diversion tactic and trust me their tactics go deeper than you want to believe.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Socialism is guided and it teaches tolerance of others character, inspiartions and the lack there of.. In my opinion it is the closest thing to a Village that we in modern life can have.. This was the problem of man kind We left the village became the village idiot and helped them build their empire....We still do it today dont we????.......LOL

"we build your penitenciaries, we build your schools,
brainwash education, to make us the fools"

peace

 

[Gangabiss]

You don't work for yourself when you can't own private property..

lol

You think you own your property?

They can and will take it away from you for merely growing a few plants.
They can and will take it away from you for not paying your income tax to the IRS (which you guys in the usa don't even have to pay btw).

Your name may be on the deed to your house but the government cals the shots and there's not a thing you can do about it.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Basic premise of socialism: Gov't owns way too much, and people's money is redistributed too much for my liking. I'm very liberal in US terms but socialism is just too liberal for me.

there's no basic premise in developing the socialism of the xxi century. here in venezuela we follow no old recipe for social models, we are creating our own self made form of socialism according to our unique needs.
peace