Why Work? The Zero Work Movement

[NiteTiger]

I actually enjoy my job, and am grateful for the new options it has opened up that allow me to spend more good, quality time with the kids.

But hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to justify living off of others :wink:

 

[Guest]

well, capitalism isn't better than anything really. take venezuela for example, we are going through a revolutionary process where we are ditching neo-liberalist economical models in exchange of a new self-made form of socialism. for example, here you can make something called 'cooperative', whereyou design any job you like, you set the way you accomplish it and the way it benefits you and society, then the goberment gives you money to start off your new business. to form a cooperative, you need a minimun of five members (it can be many more of course),by law, all members have to distribute the earnings equally, all members have the same responsabilities, etc... this keeps people from abusing others and the system and no one is enslaving anyone else while they get rich doing it.

peace.

A capitalistic system has the freedom to make themselves into a socialist system, if they are that misguided. But that says nothing about capitalism actually workin

 

[Gangabiss]

Ganjabiss,

You are so close yet so far.

I don't have a shitty "job" depressing me to go to you speak of.

No, I do not want to be in your position, a hand-me-down, in the junk pile.

From my viewpoint, you are the one without the creativity and positivity to find a productive lifestyle suitable.

If you love growing, maybe you should become professional? The world could definitely use more commercial growers. Plus, it is productive, you like doing it, so it is a win-win, which is how life should be. Get off welfare, you are embarrassing yourself. I do not have hostile intentions. I simply offer my viewpoint in hopes it makes another person better. Good luck.

If you'd read my post on page 1 you'd notice I've already stated that I intend on doing exactly that.
I'll be off welfare in a couple of months once I move out and start doing what I really love.

I know you don't have hostile intentions, it just comes off that way when I hear people calling me a 'worthless parasite' and tell me I'm living a pointless life.

I say it is pointless to work for the majority of your life with nothing to show for it at the end except a worn out body, mind and soul.


Gelatinous, thanks for picking my post apart, but if you're going to do that at least make worthwhile comments on the things you seperately quote.

Government inefficiency wasting taxes? I'm not talking about that.
What I'm saying is that out of the money that I legally earned in the past and the money I've paid in taxes is really still my money and as such I'm not mooching off anyone.


Fuck, I'm being ganged up on here...anyone care to jump in and back me up???

 

[Guest]

I know you don't have hostile intentions, it just comes off that way when I hear people calling me a 'worthless parasite' and tell me I'm living a pointless life.

Are you going to mooch off welfare with no intention of getting a job after you stop mooching off your parents?

If yes, then that would make you a worthless parasite.

 

[Gangabiss]

Are you blind or just thick? Do you even read what I type or are you just in your own little world, imagining what you like to be true?

I've said multiple times that I don't mooch off my parents and I'm moving out in 2 months at which time I will be off welfare all together. DO YOU UNDERSTAND??

Sorry for the aggresiveness but that tends to happen to me when I'm backed into a corner by an idiot.


Fuck...

 

[sophisto]

It is true that humanity is foolish about the distribution of wealth,resources, and of course liesure time.



Realistically all the funding in any given country especially the USA is obviously abused and not really leading toward liberating people on the scale that is possible.




I am talking about technology developments in bio-technology, nano-technology, and ultra modern farming techniques that could liberate the worlds poorest from grinding poverty.








Mooch off the government they owe it to every citizen.



Think about the way forward looking and innovative countries treat their citizens such as Sweden, Iceland, and others like them have rapidly improving healthcare programs while the USA stumbles over it's corrupted upper classes protests at fixing it.


We can afford to fight endless wars and continuosly reap rewards for minute segments of the human population while promoting ignorance for the general public.


6 billion people on the planet and not everyone can horde massive ammounts of resources and technological advancement potential for their own factions.





When the planet does come close to being destroyed or compromised don't be surprised if you and your family look up one night to see a taxpayer funded spaceship carrying the smartest, greediest, most kniving government parasites along with their incredibly advanced camping gear
to the new colony wherever that happens to be at the time.




Face it we are all doomed so just overgrow the government.

How true your words are.....

 

[NiteTiger]

However, in the spirit of the original post, growing is still, technically, work :smile:

Like I said, find a job you love and you'll never work another day in your life

 

[Centrum]

All things must work ! Things dont just sacrifice themselves so that you have a joyous and carefree life. You are a creature from a planet full of creatures and your trying to survive just like the rest of them.
Apathy comes in all different disguises.
LOOK AROUND WISE UP !!

 

[Guest]

This is the mentality they want us to have. Be a working slob and buy the stuff they advertise to us a thousand times a day, get the house society says we should, the car, the clothes, the girl, the shoes....etc. The problem with most Americans ( and I am American born and raised ) is that we fail to think in any sorta social sense. We are still Cowboys and anyone who is not as smart, sharp, or intellegent as society says you should be are Indians. We ridicule these people for not being as smart and call them bums, deadbeats and moochers well they are smarter than you give them credit for. Our government allows these people to take advantage in every sense. I firmly believe that if we had social benefits as other great countries do alot of this mentality would be lost, and we would finally realize that not everyone comes from the same backround, intellectually, socially, economically, or in terms of class. So to ridicule someone for taking for free something our government allows them to take doesnt make them bad people it makes them smart people. There are plenty of bums on the street that refuse welfare they are bums in terms of their inability to accept help or want it. That is a bum

By the way I have my own buisness and bust my ass every day!!!

So if you don't own your own business, you're a subserviant drone?

If you have a job you like, you're a subserviant drone?

What are you talking about?

People WORK to LIVE. That is the only way it can be. We have a society, where things need to get done. Work needs to be done. People need work. People need money to live to pay for others' work.

A bum is smarter than someone who wants a good life so they actually get off their ass and work? Gimme a freakin break

 

[Gangabiss]

You love putting words in peoples mouths don't you?

He never said you were a 'subservient drone'. You made that up.

You're using hostility to try and win this debate and it won't happen that way.

Make some valid points and we can have a proper discussion.

 

[Guest]

That's really ironic you'd say that ganjabiss. Really ironic. Take a look at your posts and get back to me on that one.

"This is the mentality they want us to have."
-That suggests, in the context of his post, that anyone who works for a living is just a sheep. Get it?

 

[sophisto]

I didnt say that. Erase your mind from what it has been programmed to think. We are living on a planet that exists with other living things. Work, society etc... is all stuff we created. So it is part of societies belief that work is what everyone has to do. Before society was here we all lived in a village and everyone did their part. If you were unfortunate and couldnt work of course the village would take care of you. In our society of Cowboys and Indians if you work you are good and if you do not you are bad. It is that point blank especially in America. I ask you this my friend?? If you had a choice to be paid to do nothing because there was nothing you wanted to do, or be paid to do something that you didnt like and only did it for the money, which would you choose. Personally if didnt love what I did I would rather do nothing. Some people are this way they are unsure of themselves, they have mental issues, bodily issues, injuries whatever. If these people are ablt to live for free because the "Village" says they will well then it's the villages( US) fault. Love what you do or dont do it at all. If you have a family to support support them, If you want to buy a bunch of stuff work for it. Some people dont have this or want this so who am I or we to say they are wrong.

And I am not calling you a sheep. Everyone is so defensive these days, open your mind world there are others ways of thinking out there...We dont have to like the ways of thinking but good grief lets just tolerate eachother nicely OK....

 

[Guest]

I didnt say that. Erase your mind from what it has been programmed to think. We are living on a planet that exists with other living things. Work, society etc... is all stuff we created. So it is part of societies belief that work is what everyone has to do. Before society was here we all lived in a village and everyone did their part. If you were unfortunate and couldnt work of course the village would take care of you. In our society of Cowboys and Indians if you work you are good and if you do not you are bad. It is that point blank especially in America. I ask you this my friend?? If you had a choice to be paid to do nothing because there was nothing you wanted to do, or be paid to do something that you didnt like and only did it for the money, which would you choose. Personally if didnt love what I did I would rather do nothing. Some people are this way they are unsure of themselves, they have mental issues, bodily issues, injuries whatever. If these people are ablt to live for free because the "Village" says they will well then it's the villages( US) fault. Love what you do or dont do it at all. If you have a family to support support them, If you want to buy a bunch of stuff work for it. Some people dont have this or want this so who am I to say they are wrong.

What point(s) are you trying to make?

 

[Gangabiss]

No, I was defending the onslaught of attacks on me from others. I didn't begin by calling names and saying you were parasitic and not worth living now did I?

Please tell me how that suggest that everyone is a sheep because they work for a living? That makes no sense...you're using the logic of a 5 year old here.

It's absolutely true that that is the mentality they want you to have...it's in their best interests to keep you dosile, overworked and not asking questions. That's just the way it is, you can deny it all you want and try and turn it around to make it look like I'm saying something I'm not....but that's the way it is.

If you have job you love doing then I'm happy for you! Keep doing what you're doing and I hope you live a good and happy life.
Just don't come down on me and bust my balls for nothing.

This is screaming of fascism to me. Calling people parasites and worthless...just because I have a different worldview than yourself you choose to make me look small and insignificant...sub-human.

I'm still a fucking person, I just have different ideas/ideals than you. Can't you accept that without going into a fit of rage and spouting nonsense?

I fucking hate these types of argumens on here...I don't want to argue with anyone...especially over something as insignificant as this.

I think I've said all I need to say.

peace

 

[sophisto]

It is really sad when opinions get misunderstood and flipped around. It is even worse when the opinions of others are unable to be tolerated. This is why our world is in the state it is, people dictating what is right and what is wrong, while others feel wrong is right and right is wrong.

 

[Guest]

I never said YOU were parasitic, I don't know what your intentions are, and I specifically spelled out what it'd take for me to call someone parasitic and worthless.

yes: people who steal from others by not wanting to work and taking advantage of welfare (if you wanna go live in the woods, fine, but don't take welfare money) are parasitic and worthless to me.

People work hard, put their money into taxes, and those taxes in part go to welfare. Someone refusing to work while using welfare is a parasitic worthless person, because they are flat out STEALING from those who work to help people who really need it through welfare.

If you wanna live in the woods I'm not going to call you a parasitic worthless person.
If you wanna steal money out of the welfare system and not work and have no intention of working, you're stealing and mooching in a worthless, parasitic way.

I don't see how anyone could disagree, unless they believe in stealing from others.

 

[qwerty]

I didn't begin by calling names...

...you're using the logic of a 5 year old here.

That's not name calling? Sounds like it to me. "Childish"

I had to waste my time to point that out.

 

[qwerty]

I never said YOU were parasitic, I don't know what your intentions are, and I specifically spelled out what it'd take for me to call someone parasitic and worthless.

yes: people who steal from others by not wanting to work and taking advantage of welfare (if you wanna go live in the woods, fine, but don't take welfare money) are parasitic and worthless to me.

People work hard, put their money into taxes, and those taxes in part go to welfare. Someone refusing to work while using welfare is a parasitic worthless person, because they are flat out STEALING from those who work to help people who really need it through welfare.

If you wanna live in the woods I'm not going to call you a parasitic worthless person.
If you wanna steal money out of the welfare system and not work and have no intention of working, you're stealing and mooching in a worthless, parasitic way.

I don't see how anyone could disagree, unless they believe in stealing from others.

Right on.

 

[Guest]

It is really sad when opinions get misunderstood and flipped around. It is even worse when the opinions of others are unable to be tolerated. This is why our world is in the state it is, people dictating what is right and what is wrong, while others feel wrong is right and right is wrong.

Yes. Someone stealing my tax dollars by intentionally not working and taking advantage of the welfare system over people who REALLY need it are without a doubt something I won't tolerate.

Sorry. We have rules, and those rules are that stealing in a society is not tolerated. Otherwise, it'd be chaos. That's why it won't be tolerated.

 

[T-type]

At least gangabiss isnt a crack dealer like the vast majority of welfare recipients around these parts. Who cares if one stoner is taking our money from us. We were going to pay it anyways. Its not like if everyone got off welfare our government would give our money back. If you think thats what happens when the goverment has more money than they thought you need to get some government program to send your dumb ass back to school.