Why Work? The Zero Work Movement

[Gangabiss]

Yea, just think if nobody worked we wouldn't have this glorious society would we? We wouldn't be killing the planet and it's habitants. We wouldn't have greedy, power hungry arseholes running our lives. We'd have no bullshit drug propaganda. We'd be free to smoke and grow our favourite plant as we wish.

What a terible world that would be to have no money.

Every day we work our meaningless jobs it is another nail in the coffin of this planet. You can preach economic growth all you like, but you must open your eyes to what that actually means in the big picture.

I realise it's a hard thing to accept that you've been screwed your whole life and you never really had to work those shitty, soul-sucking jobs for a pittance. It's ok though.
You can join me on the dark side

 

[Guest]

Gov't black projects are TOTALLY IRRELEVENT

If you mooch off welfare without trying to get off of it, you are a worthless parasite.

And I hate to break it to you but work is what holds our globe together.

Capitalism is the only real governmental system that WORKS better than all of the others - including a globe where no one works & chaos ensues.

People are in it for themselves. When you get to the large scale, communism and socialism have absolutely no chance of working out.

 

[Gangabiss]

And what happens when we use up the planets resources???

Capitalism is fundementaly flawed at the deepest level. There simply is not enough material in the planet to give evryone all the crap they think they need to be happy.
Mor and more people are being born every year. More and more countries are becoming industrialised all over the globe. Capitalisms days are numbered.

You can't deny that fact.

BTW I don't plan on staying on welfare for much longer at all. I plan on letting my girls provide my income until I have enough to leave this place and go travelling.
I'm just saying that I don't feel guilty about accepting the money I am entitled to...does that make me a worthless parasite?


I really don't agree that the money spent on black projects is irrelevant.
You're complaining about your hard earned money going to waste right? I've got news for you buddy, the amount of your tax dollars that goes back into the system and helps people like me is absolutely miniscule. Even if they kicked us all of welfare you would see pretty much no drop in your taxes paid at all. That's just not where the money is channeled to.

But then I'm here on this message board with you and it's so easy for you to jump on me and express your disgust with the system, rather than writing letters to people who'll probably never even read them.

 

[Guest]

The fact that money is being wasted elsewhere in no way diminishes the fact that someone mooching off welfare on purpose, continually, is a worthless parasite. We're talking about money being wasted by parasites on welfare. Comparing another program in no way diminishes the goals of the welfare parasites I just mentioned.

Capitalism is the best option we've come up with yet. I challenge you to think of something that works better.

Natural resources being controlled is a matter of population control, recourse management, etc etc. Not a matter of capitalism. Capitalism has lead to massive sucess of the human population and that sucess has caused problems which then must be fixed.

Nobody is entitled to accept welfare if they intentionally do not want to work. That is parasitic and disgusting and shameful.

If someone legitimately needs welfare and is trying their best to get out of it, actively, then I don't have a problem with that. Just the arrogant, effortless ones.

 

[Gangabiss]

You challenge me?

How about living in symbiotic harmony with the planet as many native tribes do all around the world? Don't you think that is the best option? Or is it to rape the planet so we can have more shiny, new things to gawk at and fill the void inside us? That'a a toughie isn't it....

I don't blame you for thinking the way you do though, this has been engrained into your psyche since the day you were born...brainwashed if you will.

It's a hard thing to admit, but once you do you're free.

Don't hate me man, I'm your brother :friends:

 

[genkisan]

Capitalism is the only real governmental system that WORKS better than all of the others - including a globe where no one works & chaos ensues.

People are in it for themselves. When you get to the large scale, communism and socialism have absolutely no chance of working out.

Capitalism is based on the philosophy of infinate positive growth.

Growth for growth's sake is the philosophy of the cancer cell......any paradigm based on infinite positive growth that is locked into a finite resource system (the Earth) will fail miserably....it is simple physics.

It is the "People are in it for themselves" philosophy that has brought our planet to the brink of environmental collapse, and it will be that same philosophy that brings about our extinction in the near future if we keep living by it.

The expliotative, malignant patriarchal paradigm of resource hoarding for it's own sake MUST be abandoned, or our species will not last very much longer.

 

[Guest]

You challenge me?

How about living in symbiotic harmony with the planet as many native tribes do all around the world? Don't you think that is the best option? Or is it to rape the planet so we can have more shiny, new things to gawk at and fill the void inside us? That'a a toughie isn't it....

I don't blame you for thinking the way you do though, this has been engrained into your psyche since the day you were born...brainwashed if you will.

It's a hard thing to admit, but once you do you're free.

Don't hate me man, I'm your brother :friends:

Yeah - living in tribes is great - untill you have to deal with keeping it cohesive when there are 300million in that tribe. Or 1 billion.

People just DO NOT have the capability to live in tribe-like situations with populations that big. It isn't possible and it has proved to be not possible.

The only thing that ensures the WILL for someone to work and contribute to something THEY may not need but OTHERS do is the drive of personal wealth and security. That is exactly why communism etc does not work - people do not want to work for the state or "tribe" - they will only ensure constant will to contribute indirectly when they are free to do what they please. That's the unfortunate truth.

I have no been brainwashed and I'm well aware of the downfalls of capitalism. Fact is, it's the only thing that actually works in a long term situation with high population.

 

[Guest]

Capitalism is based on the philosophy of infinate positive growth.

Growth for growth's sake is the philosophy of the cancer cell......any paradigm based on infinite positive growth that is locked into a finite resource system (the Earth) will fail miserably....it is simple physics.

It is the "People are in it for themselves" philosophy that has brought our planet to the brink of environmental collapse, and it will be that same philosophy that brings about our extinction in the near future if we keep living by it.

The expliotative, malignant patriarchal paradigm of resource hoarding for it's own sake MUST be abandoned, or our species will not last very much longer.

Yes. Yet capitalism allows people to thrive, while communism and socialism and fascism has proven to force people to suffer.

Capitalism is the only one that is compatible with human interactions while in large populations. The biproduct may be unlimited growth, but pretty soon we will face the fact that unlimited growth is NOT possible. We've already learned that, actually.

The next step will be waiting for huge signs of problems, and then reacting to it - just like global warming, just like the majority of problems we face.

You ignore the fact that everything but capitalism DOES NOT WORK with large populations.

 

[Guest]

Interesting. Justifying using tax monies to support your lazy good for nothing ass, because the other good for nothings (government) abuse those tax monies. But nonetheless, there's no problem supporting the blind, disabled, etc.., but the good for nothings whom simply refuse to give back to society that they take....

You'll never "get it" that society takes everyone. Harp about capitalism, but there's not capitalism everywhere. Those good for nothings must beg and steal - they tend to get maimed by those whom work for what they have. Go figure.

The only beggars I accept are those wearing red or orange robes - as their religion requires them to beg for their food - as a means of being part of society (the local community supports them this way, as they want these monks among them. If the monk isn't supported, then he either dies or moves on to a community that does want him). The blind, disabled, etc. should be supported by the community - as their predictament is not of their own fault.

Personally, the welfare system should be abolished in it's present set up. ONLY benefits paid to the disabled whom are unable to work. Single parents struggling to hold a job and keep basic ends meet should only get temp benefits and then those funds presently used should be rechanneled into a different program. Such as a community day care employed by said able-bodied recipicants that were on temp welfare, but unable to find a job. They'd get wages working there and their children would be automatically enrolled in said day care. This would also be staffed by trained educators.

When the day care is full up of state employed "aides," then those civic projects locally will be tackled by these welfare to work employees (of course their children still are able to go to the community funded day care - even if they get a job elsewhere - can't find a babysitter predictament would be abolished).

If they choose not to participate - that's fine, but they won't get any aid from the state and if they're still unable to provide for their children and are able-bodied to do so, but refuse to participate - then their children will become wards of the state and we go from there.

There should no longer be a program available for those whom figure...I don't wanna work, I'll mooch.

Able-bodied, nondisabled folks with no children to support - best to look to the churches and other community programs for your free meal, you get nothing from the state. And hope some redneck doesn't get you, cause he's tired of you digging in his trash or begging him for spare change.

Hey - you come to my door asking for food or money - that's fine. I'm currently remodelling my kitchen and can use some help sanding and staining the cabinets. I'll gladly pay ya for your assistance. If you say no, just give me money - I don't wanna work for it. Don't be surprised if I hit you over the head with a 2x4 and claim that you tried to rob me. I may be cruel, but I see it as saving the community some money by paying for your cremation, instead of paying for your mooching ass for years to come.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

While it would be better if everyone quit their jobs and went back to a style of living reminiscent of older times (provide your own food, build your own house, ect.) there are far to many people now in order for this to happen.

In the mean time, you need a job to support yourself and your family. I hate money, but the truth is you need it for almost every material possestion in this world. I have worked since the age of 16. How long have I been paying for you to sit on your ass and smoke weed?

 

[NiteTiger]

Ah yes, the cry of living in Symbiosis with nature is heard, and felt, by many. Live like our ancestors did.

You'd be dead in three days if you had to do what you're idolizing. And it certainly isn't an absence of work. You'll be working so hard you won't know how to find your house in the daylight.

So, sit back in your air conditioning, lamenting the free time you don't have behind your computer, with its internet connection, and be completely pointless.

The rest of us have to go to work.

 

[Guest]

How long have I been paying for you to sit on your ass and smoke weed?

LOL

 

[qwerty]

If you mooch off welfare without trying to get off of it, you are a worthless parasite.

Agreed, 100%.

Don't worry, fellow hard-working stoners. The cream ALWAYS rises to the top!

"The harder I work, the luckier I get." Somebody that knows a thing or two.


I'll work to the day I die, and love it.

 

[Gangabiss]

What's with all the hostility guys?

What's the real issue here? I haven't done a thing that would negatively affect your life...and don't use the old 'my hard earned money is supporting you' argument. From the jobs I've had in the past an the taxes paid I can assure you that I still haven't used up what I've already paid into the system. So nobody is out of pocket.

The real reason you are so hostile to those on welfare is because you hate your own shitty jobs and wish you could do the same but fear the ridicule you'd get from others.

I realise it gives justification for yourself in a way...looking down at us makes you feel like you're actually doint something worthwhile as you work that shitty job that makes you more depresed every day you go to it.

Let me go over these points again:

I'm still receiving the money I gave to society in the first place so nobody is out of pocket.

You have major hostility with no foundations in reality. Your hoistility is a result of you seeing that I'm doing what you wish you could do yourself, only you don't want to be shoved into the same class and be ridiculed like you're doing to us.

That's the real issue here.


btw I used to have exactly the same mindset as you guys. Then I realised it was all lies...lies to keep you under control and enslaved.

 

[LIMELIGHT]

i like hard work,,,its spiritually rewarding if you have a healthy self esteem.

 

[Guest]

What's the real issue here? I haven't done a thing that would negatively affect your life...

I never assumed you were on welfare.



and don't use the old 'my hard earned money is supporting you' argument. From the jobs I've had in the past an the taxes paid I can assure you that I still haven't used up what I've already paid into the system. So nobody is out of pocket.
Inefficiency in gov't doesn't justify endless mooching. It justifies action to be taken to reform laws.


The real reason you are so hostile to those on welfare is because you hate your own shitty jobs and wish you could do the same but fear the ridicule you'd get from others.
Assumption #1
See your post's question: "Why the hostility?"



I realise it gives justification for yourself in a way...looking down at us makes you feel like you're actually doint something worthwhile as you work that shitty job that makes you more depresed every day you go to it.
Assumption #2



I'm still receiving the money I gave to society in the first place so nobody is out of pocket.
No. Someone cannot justify their endless mooching due to taxes they paid and the inefficiency in place that wasted those taxes.





You have major hostility with no foundations in reality. Your hoistility is a result of you seeing that I'm doing what you wish you could do yourself, only you don't want to be shoved into the same class and be ridiculed like you're doing to us.
Assumption #3 made.




You are using gov't inefficiency to justify stealing from the gov't (stealing from the people who make up this country)

That's bullshit, and people look down upon that. Not sure what else to say to drive that point home for you.

 

[qwerty]

Ganjabiss,

You are so close yet so far.

I don't have a shitty "job" depressing me to go to you speak of.

No, I do not want to be in your position, a hand-me-down, in the junk pile.

From my viewpoint, you are the one without the creativity and positivity to find a productive lifestyle suitable.

If you love growing, maybe you should become professional? The world could definitely use more commercial growers. Plus, it is productive, you like doing it, so it is a win-win, which is how life should be. Get off welfare, you are embarrassing yourself. I do not have hostile intentions. I simply offer my viewpoint in hopes it makes another person better. Good luck.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

i think we may be discussing way outside the context of the information contained in the original link provided by nagkpa.
in the site we find: " "Work," referring to what workers do, should not be confused with exertion; play can be more strenuous than work. Work is compulsory production, something done for some other reason than the satisfaction of doing it."
nitetiger nailed it when he said: 'Find a job you love and you'll never work another day in your life'
that's the idea... but seriously though, can we honestly say most workers world-wide actually love their jobs? can we say most workers are free to work under the ideal conditions? etc...

peace

 

[Guest]

what makes capitalism better than communism is that among other things you are free to choose a job you actually want to do. believe it or not, ganja, some people place career satisfaction over $-making, and some people actually enjoy what they do.

you can either take a job you don't give a shit about and do it for the money, do what you truly enjoy, or sit on your ass and mooch like a parasite just because you flat out are too lazy to work. and no where is there a necessity for assigned jobs like in communism or something

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

what makes capitalism better than communism is that among other things you are free to choose a job you actually want to do. believe it or not, ganja, some people place career satisfaction over $-making, and some people actually enjoy what they do.

you can either take a job you don't give a shit about and do it for the money, do what you truly enjoy, or sit on your ass and mooch like a parasite just because you flat out are too lazy to work. and no where is there a necessity for assigned jobs like in communism or something

well, capitalism isn't better than anything really. take venezuela for example, we are going through a revolutionary process where we are ditching neo-liberalist economical models in exchange of a new self-made form of socialism. for example, here you can make something called 'cooperative', whereyou design any job you like, you set the way you accomplish it and the way it benefits you and society, then the goberment gives you money to start off your new business. to form a cooperative, you need a minimun of five members (it can be many more of course),by law, all members have to distribute the earnings equally, all members have the same responsabilities, etc... this keeps people from abusing others and the system and no one is enslaving anyone else while they get rich doing it.

peace.