Why I don't believe in f-cking with the sexuality of cannabis

[eastcoastjoe]

Again... fems are not necessarily selfed - If a breeder does the work to maintain 2 distinct ibls (and offers them to the public) and then makes a feminised F1 (after stress testing the female pollen donor) with an outstanding female from each line what harm is being done?

That has been my position all along, and I doubt you will find anyone that can prove you wrong otherwise. Quality is quality.

 

[WHIPEDMEAT]

Again... fems are not necessarily selfed - If a breeder does the work to maintain 2 distinct ibls (and offers them to the public) and then makes a feminised F1 (after stress testing the female pollen donor) with an outstanding female from each line what harm is being done?

Usually it works more like clone only x clone only, with cuts considered to be elites

 

[eastcoastjoe]

None whatsoever...we want everyone to think that way

Then why are feminized seeds destroying the gene pool? Lol. Still haven’t been able to establish with the gene pool actually is lol

 

[WHIPEDMEAT]

Gene pool is what i have to play with or you or anyone else xD

 

[mudballs]

Then why are feminized seeds destroying the gene pool? Lol. Still haven’t been able to establish with the gene pool actually is lol

Maybe some think that way...i think ur just applying it to me cuz we went pretty deep into new turf..there's just a possibility of badly selected phenos perpetuating bad stuff within the growers local sphere of influence...be good growers/pollen chuckers chaps

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Gene pool is what i have to play with or you or anyone else xD

Right. Then the argument that what a tent grower does will ruin what you are doing is such a reach. I just wish people would wake up and start thinking for themselves

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Maybe some think that way...i think ur just applying it to me cuz we went pretty deep into new turf..there's just a possibility of badly selected phenos perpetuating bad stuff within the growers local sphere of influence...be good growers/pollen chuckers chaps

That possibility is equally as high or even higher when using a regular line. What is the difference and where is the detriment?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

At this point in time, there is more higher quality cannabis seeds on the market than ever in history. Yet, they are mostly all derived from a parent that was once a hermie accident/feminized seed or S1. So if these selfed plants are such a detriment, how do you explain the rise in quality from using them as parents?

 

[WHIPEDMEAT]

Those lines will not be planted 2x , except if there is no chance to get other seeds.
And nature will sort it out too with making them more sceptible to diseases, fungus, bacteria, etc..

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Those lines will not be planted 2x , except if there is no chance to get other seeds.
And nature will sort it out too with making them more sceptible to diseases, fungus, bacteria, etc..

But you could out cross, and re-shuffle the deck, like we normally would do when using traditional breeding practices.

 

[mudballs]

That possibility is equally as high or even higher when using a regular line. What is the difference and where is the detriment?

Again? Really? ..ugh...so joe pollen chucker in Cincinnati buys a 3 pack of malawi femms from ace seeds..grows those out, selfs 1, grows those out but has a casey jones and crosses the 2..but the pheno they picked from the selfed malawi wasn't great, subpar, now we have 200 seeds of C.J. x Malawi a good hearted grower thinks is awesome, trades those on Overgrow...that grower has 4 C.J. x Malawi f1s that are subpar..he's growing em..chatting up a storm on ICmag, ends up crossing those with a [lesser value pheno of unrelated line].all the way back to that selfed plant pheno...we lost the best offerings
That isnt detrimental i dont know what is

 

[eastcoastjoe]

In that scenario, it is hard to argue that the detriment came from the selection, not the method in which the seed was made. Why would he select a subpar pheno to make the seeds ? If it wasn’t quality, he could’ve kept looking

Again? Really? ..ugh...so joe pollen chucker in Cincinnati buys a 3 pack of malawi femms..grows those out, selfs 1, grows those out but has a casey jones and crosses the 2..but the pheno they picked from the selfed malawi wasn't great, subpar, now we have 200 seeds of C.J. x Malawi a good hearted grower thinks is awesome, trades those on Overgrow...that grower has 4 C.J. x Malawi f1s that are subpar..he's growing em..chatting up a storm on ICmag, ends up crossing those with a [lesser value pheno of unrelated line].all the way back to that selfed plant pheno...we lost the best offerings
That isnt detrimental i dont know what is

 

[mudballs]

It never had anything whatso fkn ever to do with ace seeds and them making/offering femms

 

[El Timbo]

Again? Really? ..ugh...so joe pollen chucker in Cincinnati buys a 3 pack of malawi femms..grows those out, selfs 1, grows those out but has a casey jones and crosses the 2..but the pheno they picked from the selfed malawi wasn't great, subpar, now we have 200 seeds of C.J. x Malawi a good hearted grower thinks is awesome, trades those on Overgrow...that grower has 4 C.J. x Malawi f1s that are subpar..he's growing em..chatting up a storm on ICmag, ends up crossing those with a [lesser value pheno of unrelated line].all the way back to that selfed plant pheno...we lost the best offerings
That isnt detrimental i dont know what is

The same story could be told for regs though right?

 

[mudballs]

In that scenario, it is hard to argue that the detriment came from the selection, not the method in which the seed was made. Why would he select a subpar pheno to make the seeds ? If it wasn’t quality, he could’ve kept looking

Cuz he can only grow 4 plants...the grower was not able to find the 18th seed that was better

 

[eastcoastjoe]

It never had anything whatso fkn ever to do with ace seeds and them making/offering femms

Why would it ? Because the males somewhow added something that the females didn’t ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Cuz he can only grow 4 plants...the grower was not able to find the 18th seed that was better

Why not. If you didn’t find what was great in 4, keep growing 4 more until you do. It was the selection

 

[mudballs]

The same story could be told for regs though right?

Yes but it retains the P1 x P2 genes...its not P1S1-P2 massive genetic material...big diff when boiled down to the genetic/chromosome level

 

[mudballs]

Why not. If you didn’t find what was great in 4, keep growing 4 more until you do. It was the selection

They will now know to do that...any idea why?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Yes but it retains the P1 x P2 genes...its not P1S1-P2 massive genetic material...big diff when boiled down to the genetic/chromosome level

But you said yourself that bottlenecking can produce quality. When people make feminized seeds, I’ve never seen people do that with a subpar plant. It’s always done with something special.