Why I am voting no on prop 19!

[echo_chamber]

Marijuana prices have changed very little in the past 20 years, i think the market has found its equilibrium as they say...Which naturally happens in all markets. If things are too cheap or too expensive with high demand, problems persist...

I do see alot of people saying the price will go up which is silly.

Imagine if you are a commercial grower today, and suddenly your customer base, who is breaking the law to deal with you, is suddenly allowed to possess an ounce of your product legally. I think business will pick up, and a slew of intrigued people will flow into the market.

I also think alot of the people who dont have money are going to try to grow with the intention of saving money because they smoke so much, only to find out growing marijuana is not easy, and requires patience, attention, and money driving them back to their dealer with a new found respect for what he does and charges.

If recreational and medical users increase personal output to meet individual needs as per Prop 19, what will happen to the demand for product from said commercial growers and profiteers?

As William Shakespeare said long ago "Madame, Thou dost protest too much".

In other words you wouldn't complain so much if it wasn't something you would profit from, instead.

Convince me otherwise.

 

[vaped]

This website is so full of asholes who want to down a muther fucker for making a little cheddar. back before med laws it was just a known fact if you were in it you were in it to win it. Now evryone is on this holier than thou trip. Growing and selling cannabis is a job. Not all jobs are hard. take a salesman no labor involved just talk someone into buying something boom you make a commision. I see alot of people jumping at the first bill they get thrown with out even knowing what the bill is.

 

[echo_chamber]

Nobody's downing anyone for making a living, you misunderstand.... People are downing the growers who are willing to sacrifice people's freedom by keeping marijuana illegal so they can continue to profit with no "worry" or "fear of interruption" when this bill passes, you will still make your cheddar, only your people can now possess marijuana LEGALLY. The laws do not get tougher on growing with Prop 19 man....

All these fears over "money" related issues to marijuana legalization are unfounded and rediculous. This fight was never about growers incomes, this fight is about keeping you out of jail for smoking marijuana. we'll get to you commercial growers later, but more pressing issues are at hand... you dont pass full legalizlation and financial regulation issues in a single bill in capitalist America, that's not how things work..

This website is so full of asholes who want to down a muther fucker for making a little cheddar. back before med laws it was just a known fact if you were in it you were in it to win it. Now evryone is on this holier than thou trip. Growing and selling cannabis is a job. Not all jobs are hard. take a salesman no labor involved just talk someone into buying something boom you make a commision. I see alot of people jumping at the first bill they get thrown with out even knowing what the bill is.

 

[Fuzz420]

Good luck Cali folks, this is one hell of a conundrum.We will patiently be waiting across the country.

 

[vaped]

well this is the thing if you are just a user not a grower or dealer chances are you wont have over a misdemeanors worth of pot on yourself so it isnt that big of a deal in the first place,.

 

[IWanaGetHiSoHi]

I'm not hating on peeps getting Paid to Play ... it's the ones that ride both sides of the fence and really don't give a fuck about anyone/anything But the Cash and Prizes that get me. Dude claimed a lot and said it with many words. What's a better way to get to know someone than asking what their services are worth to them ... at a base level ... and considering we are at an Internet WeedSite? If his price is fair or he has clauses to get the Broke and Needy some of that Cali Fire ... well ... I'm sure he'll let us know ... in depth ...about his compassionate side too ...

 

[guest456mpy]

Originally Posted by vaped View Post

This website is so full of asholes who want to down a muther fucker for making a little cheddar. back before med laws it was just a known fact if you were in it you were in it to win it. Now evryone is on this holier than thou trip. Growing and selling cannabis is a job. Not all jobs are hard. take a salesman no labor involved just talk someone into buying something boom you make a commision. I see alot of people jumping at the first bill they get thrown with out even knowing what the bill is.

I've been growing literally since the 60's so I think I know what's going on.

How about you?

 

[echo_chamber]

well this is the thing if you are just a user not a grower or dealer chances are you wont have over a misdemeanors worth of pot on yourself so it isnt that big of a deal in the first place,.

You are correct. But what the "yes on 19" people are saying is this is not about money/growers/dealers, this is about Marijuana itself. Growers and dealers product is still ILLEGAL, and we cant move forward on setting up guidelines for money/capitalism related issues until the basic principle of "what the dealers and growers are selling" is legal.

 

[guest456mpy]

Posted by echo chamber:

Originally Posted by vaped View Post
well this is the thing if you are just a user not a grower or dealer chances are you wont have over a misdemeanors worth of pot on yourself so it isnt that big of a deal in the first place,.
You are correct. But what the "yes on 19" people are saying is this is not about money/growers/dealers, this is about Marijuana itself. Growers and dealers product is still ILLEGAL, and we cant move forward on setting up guidelines for money/capitalism related issues until the basic principle of "what the dealers and growers are selling" is legal.

That's correct.

That and we all have to stand behind eventual re-legalization, not just MMJ.
Cannabis should be available to every, period.

 

[echo_chamber]

Posted by echo chamber:
That's correct.

That and we all have to stand behind eventual re-legalization, not just MMJ.
Cannabis should be available to every, period.

That's right. MMJ was just step 1, Prop 19 is step 2, and i see there being at least 2-3 more steps to conquer before the general public across the United States (that DOESNT smoke) starts to accept it, then we will see Federal Legalization on the table. And that will be a quickie. The judges will vote yes on Federal Legalization, the Senate just has to prove its not harmful.. And next to Alcohol and Tobacco being legal, the anti marijuana lobby wont have a leg to stand on by that point... The major hurdle is re classifying Marijuana in a different Federal "Schedule" only then can Federally funded studies be done IN AMERICA to prove it is a wonder plant..

 

[vaped]

It would be wonderfull if it was totaly legal but that isnt what this bill is about. I actually dont care about the bill wich ever way it goes. I just keep seeing anyone who profits off marijuana and protects his own intrests made to look bad. That is life. Everyone is trying to better themselves in some way or another. That is life man.

 

[guest456mpy]

It would be wonderfull if it was totaly legal but that isnt what this bill is about. I actually dont care about the bill wich ever way it goes. I just keep seeing anyone who profits off marijuana and protects his own intrests made to look bad. That is life. Everyone is trying to better themselves in some way or another. That is life man.

No one complains about anyone making money.
What they complain about is those who wish to keep it illegal and are growers making money. That stance can only be explained by greed being more important than freedom

No one bill will make cannabis legal at this time. We must continue to make small steps towards eventual legality.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

It would be wonderfull if it was totaly legal but that isnt what this bill is about. I actually dont care about the bill wich ever way it goes. I just keep seeing anyone who profits off marijuana and protects his own intrests made to look bad. That is life. Everyone is trying to better themselves in some way or another. That is life man.

Wouldn't you rather to grow and sell legally ? No more hiding money. No more worrying about buying cars, paying rent/mortgage. No more worrying about assets getting seized and winding up in the gray bar hotel. Taxes pale in comparison to all the benefits that will be gained once we can push full legalization on a state and federal level. 19 won't get us to that point, but we have to start somewhere. 215 was a great start at removing the social taboo, now we have to pass 19 to further this process.

 

[TruthOrLie]

damn! one of the biggest commercial growers/profiteers put his profits he made off of patients to fund this bill.....

how does that make you feel?

oh, the irony!

and you're using the profits you made off patients to fund your legal battles.

how does that make you feel?

oh, the irony!

 

[vaped]

Wouldn't you rather to grow and sell legally ? No more hiding money. No more worrying about buying cars, paying rent/mortgage. No more worrying about assets getting seized and winding up in the gray bar hotel. Taxes pale in comparison to all the benefits that will be gained once we can push full legalization on a state and federal level. 19 won't get us to that point, but we have to start somewhere. 215 was a great start at removing the social taboo, now we have to pass 19 to further this process.[/quote 25 sqaure feet for each grower wont even suply the demand so the bill still makes certain people criminals.

 

[TruthOrLie]

It doesn't "make" anyone criminals. The criminals remain criminals if they're criminal.

 

[vaped]

Fuck it yall have your bill glad Im no where near the madness.

 

[echo_chamber]

The only people creating any "madness" are the anti-legalization crowd and law enforcement.. Reefer Madness to be exact. Imagine the Anti Marijuana propaganda still effects people today, its been almost a century!! I feel so sorry for most of America.. The argument used to be: "Legalize Marijuana" now its "No Legalization of Marijuana or it will be taken over by big government" Comedy is always around the corner with Politics This mentality is in line with Conservative/Right Wing ideals, so i have a feeling this "Anti-Marijuana/Big Goverment Takeover" mentality originates from that neck of the woods, cause i know some right wingers like their weed too

 

[echo_chamber]

25 sqaure feet for each grower wont even suply the demand so the bill still makes certain people criminals.

They were already criminals, Prop 19 does not make them criminals. It makes MILLIONS of people NOT criminals is what it does! Growers are already supplying the demand WHILE ILLEGAL, and that demand is about to go up.. Prop 19 is not about commercial demand, its getting marijuana legalized so you can grow 25 square feet, how much can you legally grow today? ZERO..... We'll deal with the commercial aspects of Marijuana once it is legalized... One step at a time.

 

[Hazelnuts]

Oh man, if this shit doesn't pass in Cali in November I'm gonna facepalm so hard. Seriously, this is the chance everyone's been waiting for forever. And now I come on this forum to see a lot of people convinced that it should be left to rot and that California (and with it, America) should wait another 20 years until something "better" (which will definitely not come, probably not even if we wait until 2040, since politics is just gonna be politics), because it "compromises the 215 community" (which it doesn't) and ruins their inflated, overblown profits.