Why I am voting no on prop 19!

[lost in a sea]

well im not voting

luckily for me im in the uk,, but i do obviously wish everyone in med states, and the USA in general the best for the future in everyway possible !

honestly there is nowhere else on earth where people think like americans, and you guys scare me..

 

[IWanaGetHiSoHi]

I wonder what the Entrepreneur 215forlife charges for an 8th of Meds ...

 

[echo_chamber]

If i'm not mistaken, Marijuana is currently ILLEGAL in every state in the U.S.A.....
So we are all currently at rock bottom, its illegal... We're trying to get it legalized right? That would entail moving forward...Like passing a ball in a sport, you are trying to get down the field...Sports or politics is about success and failure, you dont get your way, there is going to be opposition, things ONLY work in small steps in American legislation. If you are expecting full legalization in one fell swoop or bust then you are completely fooling yourselves, we will never see that in a CAPITALIST country, that is not how America works, nor how much of the west works...

To be honest, all i see are a bunch of growers that make their living growing weed throwing a fit, while millions of peoples lives are ruined for going to jail over a plant..

That is what this is all about, keeping people out of jail, a.k.a FREE, this fight is not about growers and their income...

 

[IWanaGetHiSoHi]

i do get a kick out of people that define words however they want to
if decriminalization was legalization, it would be called legalization
NY has decriminalization for MJ, had it for years, and believe me, MJ is not legal in NY

I live in a decrim state too ... and they still treat us like criminals ... locking peeps up on a daily basis ... yep ... indeed they are.

 

[echo_chamber]

yep, that is America, it has always been that way...That is Capitalism at work.... But the point you are missing is they cant make their money unless Marijuana is legalized!!! Marijuana should be legal, period. Whether capitalists want to make money off of it, or whether I want to grow a couple plants in my room and smoke it.

Many of you are going about this like the last legalization effort in America will be done after this vote.... This is only the 2nd big bill that will be passed in Marijuana policy, and its only just begun.

Exactly what say do you think "we" have in changing anything when the Govt is concerned? Maybe you've been living with blinders on? Your Vote Does Not Matter. Your Opinion Does Not Matter. The Truth Does Not Matter. All that matters in the eyes of the Govt is cashing out before they're sussed out as the Criminals they really are ...

 

[lost in a sea]

yep, that is America, it has always been that way...That is Capitalism at work.... But the point you are missing is they cant make their money unless Marijuana is legalized!!! Marijuana should be legal, period. Whether capitalists want to make money off of it, or whether I want to grow a couple plants in my room and smoke it.

no that is exactly peoples point!

screw capitalism,,, and they (pharmaceutical companies and agricorps) will eventually buy the intellectual property rights off the govt and start to sue you all for growing their property,,

dream or a nightmare ?

 

[guest456mpy]

Lost in a sea:

honestly there is nowhere else on earth where people think like americans, and you guys scare me..

Shucks, now you went and made me smile.... :

 

[echo_chamber]

I totally agree, Capitalism sucks in my opinion. But that is reality... Capitalism exists, and you cannot avoid it in America. If you are going to wait for a bill that does not support capitalism, you will die waiting.. Even bills for Children's lunch at school involves capitalists making money.

People need to not lose sight of the reality here: There is no reason to keep Marijuana illegal. And i've yet to hear one good reason from the opposition of this bill why we should continue with its illegality over money issues, which is NOT what this fight is about in the first place, this fight is about keeping people out of jail.

 

[lost in a sea]

i think you guys scare most of the rest of the world too !

such a young country of people that have mostly lost contact with their heritage here in europe,, can be so easily manipulated,, and by the same bastards that were screwing your anticedants here in europe,,

there is no freedom only the illusion of freedom,, like a carrot in front of the donkey leading you to terrible places,,

i genuinely worry about what you will all do,, or be forced to do..

i may be wrong on points,, but i only say anything out of concern..

obviously the system is (and has always been) angled towards the rich and influential,, and you can only do what you can within that sick system..

good luck

 

[215forLife]

People need to not lose sight of the reality here: There is no reason to keep Marijuana illegal.

Agreed.

And i've yet to hear one good reason from the opposition of this bill why we should continue with its illegality over money issues, which is NOT what this fight is about in the first place, this fight is about keeping people out of jail.

If you read the original post you would understand how prop 19 doesn't keep anyone out of jail. Those who are currently risking jail time will still be subjected to jail time. Those who are not currently subjected to jail time will be if prop 19 passes.

Fact is that $100 is all it takes to be totally legal to possess, cultivate, and sell all the weed you want now in California w/o getting a conviction and or going to jail.

But if prop 19 passes you better open up your wallet if you want to grow more than a trivial amount and NOT goto prison.

 

[echo_chamber]

I'm having trouble naming 1 plant in this world that is copyrighted by the government, can you name one?

The Alcohol industry is far bigger than Marijuana industry, yet i dont see any Government brand liquor.. I can brew my own beer and wine in my basement no problems, it doesnt seem to effect the Alcohol market a bit...

You can grow any plant that is legal in America... And Marijuana should be added to that list, its pretty simple.

I've read post after post on dozens of forums, and i'm still searching for someone to convince me to vote 'No"...

I'm extremely open minded, and will take any argument into serious consideration, but i've yet to find ONE good reason for voting no on this bill... I'm all ears though, and will continue to look for reasons to vote no until November, otherwise i'm voting yes...

no that is exactly peoples point!

screw capitalism,,, and they (pharmaceutical companies and agricorps) will eventually buy the intellectual property rights off the govt and start to sue you all for growing their property,,

dream or a nightmare ?

 

[215forLife]

I'm having trouble naming 1 plant in this world that is copyrighted by the government, can you name one?

Lol The United States Government owns the patent on Cannabinoids.
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507/description.html

There are plenty of other plants that are patented by companies like Monsanto.

Just saying...

 

[guest456mpy]

Fact is that $100 is all it takes to be totally legal to possess, cultivate, and sell all the weed you want now in California w/o getting a conviction and or going to jail.

Now, that is funny if you actually believe that.

 

[Hydrosun]

I did a little digging about Letitia Pepper,the attorney that wrote that opinion that you are holding as grail.She is an English and Home Economics teacher from Riverside,went to Hastings did work in business and public law,running for Mayor.How many days have you been clean 215?

So this woman is a UC Hastings trained attorney. That actually holds some weight in the state of CA. What is your beef that she decided to teach school and run for mayor! What a horrible woman and bad attorney she must be?

 

[echo_chamber]

Agreed.



If you read the original post you would understand how prop 19 doesn't keep anyone out of jail. Those who are currently risking jail time will still be subjected to jail time. Those who are not currently subjected to jail time will be if prop 19 passes.

The post would be incorrect then, the reality is Prop 19 will allow every Californian the right to possess one ounce of Marijuana and grow a 5x5 area (county acceptance permitting).. So yes, those CURRENTLY in jail will not get out from this law passing, as they broke the law when it was "the law" (exactly why i didnt grow until medical laws were passed) Those currently growing more than a 5x5 that are NOT MEDICAL are subject to arrest, yep. That sucks, and that is going to change also in the next bills we vote yes on, as all American legislation takes small steps and lot of time to pass.

Fact is that $100 is all it takes to be totally legal to possess, cultivate, and sell all the weed you want now in California w/o getting a conviction and or going to jail.

A doctors note will not keep you out of jail because marijuana is still illegal, but the doctors note will keep you from being "prosecuted". If you "buy" the $160 STATE card, that will keep you out of jail, so it would be $260 total.. $100 for your rec and $160 for your state card.

But if prop 19 passes you better open up your wallet if you want to grow more than a trivial amount and NOT goto prison.

Yeah, it wont be any different than we currently do it. If we are over at this point in time, before prop 19 passes, we can get in trouble. Same goes for after the bill is passed. But we can grow a 5x5 and possess up to an ounce, and that is a fantastic first step in our process to full legalization.

For us medical patients, we are still allowed to grow 6 plants and possess up to 8 ounces.. That does not change..


But like i said before, this is not the "written in stone" end of the law, this is our second step to full legalization, first being medical marijuana... our 3rd step will be dealing with regulation and other financial issues regarding sale/vendors, etc....

American legislation works in small steps, and we are making great strides when looking at this in perspective..

Keep voting yes...

 

[215forLife]

For us medical patients, we are still allowed to grow 6 plants and possess up to 8 ounces.. That does not change..
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Lol those limits were ruled unconsitutional by the California Supreme Court. People V Kelly says we can grow and possess as much as we want. NO LIMITS UNDER THE CURRENT LAW!

 

[lost in a sea]

I'm having trouble naming 1 plant in this world that is copyrighted by the government, can you name one?

there are loads and loads,, mainly GM,, but you should look into it buddy,, this is the way the world is going,,

remember that capitalism has to grow at 3% compound (or capitalists like it that way),, so they need to always find new resources and assets to buy up,, they are buying up the rights to genes and DNA everyday,,

the codex alimentarius and the world seed bank (in svalbard) is all part of this shit,, IMF funded evil..

 

[echo_chamber]

Lol those limits were ruled unconsitutional by the California Supreme Court. People V Kelly says we can grow and possess as much as we want. NO LIMITS UNDER THE CURRENT LAW!

Yes, but anything over 6 plants/8 ounces (in general, its different per county) will still get you in trouble at a 'state' level. that is still the guidelines set forth in SB420/Prop 215 until its "amended" (that magical word again .. But if a medical patient is busted the prosecution will not be able to hold "being over by x amount of plants" against you, as long as its under 100 plants, which is the threshold for Federal offense...

 

[TruthOrLie]

No limits under the current law?

Yea right, let me see you set up a hundred plants in your back yard and then call the local law enforcement, or federal law enforcement if you like, too.

I bet you'll be needing more than $100.


The state of affairs in California is very simple.

We as a people have voted to fight back against the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration).

We have voted to protect MEDICAL users of marijuana. We said they are too sick, suffering, in pain, disabled, to be caught up in this DEA drug war BULLSHIT.

Now it is our chance to protect RECREATIONAL users of marijuana. We just want to have a good time. We don't need no DEA drug war BULLSHIT.

All you commercial growers who don't want to pay a tax for a permit to play in the big leagues, guess what? You still have to deal with DEA drug war BULLSHIT.

Your proposition to grow freely and abundantly will come later. Maybe 2012, maybe 2020. I don't know when your ship will sail, but get off of our ship.

THIS IS THE LEGALIZATION FOR RECREATIONAL USE ship. ALL COMMERCIAL GROWERS AND PROFITEERS, please jump ship.

 

[echo_chamber]

Yeah i've heard from people there are "loads and loads" of natural plants the government owns, but nobody seems to be able to name one. You're not the first person i've asked, trust me.

Now if you are talking about Monsanto corn, and the like, that is different. That is a genetically altered plant.. They can have rights to that. I've heard the theory of the government making Monsanto marijuana pollen to spread throughout the world and that is laughable to me.

But the reality is you cant copyright a plant, a person, a breed of animal, etc.. etc.. By voting no on bills like Prop 19, you are ALLOWING them to continue to do that, because making something "illegal" is their way of copyrighting things in this day & age, think about it... They are smart, they make their profits by it being ILLEGAL due to law enforcement. That is why the Feds are so slow to acknowledge Marijuana for medical use.. Its clearly medically viable and a benign substance, yet they hold firm to the Federal beliief that marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol,etc..

there are loads and loads,, mainly GM,, but you should look into it buddy,, this is the way the world is going,,

remember that capitalism has to grow at 3% compound (or capitalists like it that way),, so they need to always find new resources and assets to buy up,, they are buying up the rights to genes and DNA everyday,,

the codex alimentarius and the world seed bank (in svalbard) is all part of this shit,, IMF funded evil..