Why are you still growing organic?

[Dignan]

I also agree with wally, unless it's yours produced by you, then you don't know exactly how organic it is... That's taking your organics seriously, eh...

Yes but it also could be used as a White House-esque way of discounting organic growing methods by making people paranoid and fearful that manufacturers of organic products everywhere are secretly slipping in synthetic substances and/or toxins, which is an alarmist notion.

On a side note... It sure would be fun if everyone would participate in the growers cup this april... Then we could compare the score sheets with the methods used......

Well, since the biggest variable is the access to primo genetics and you as a breeder have an advantage, we'd have to level the playing field by all growing the same cuts handed out by you, H3ad brotherman!



Another thing I agree with you on, H3ad, is that experience trumps scientific theory and conjecture. Another example is flushing in organics. Doesn't need to be done and I don't care what anyone says to the contrary... my experience shows otherwise. [where's the close-minded smiley??? LOL]


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[Loudcall]

Yes H3ad, i'd bet those mouths would close up quickly....Put up or shut up

 

[Guest]

My buddy started growing in a hydro set-up and he's kicking my dirt diggin butt. I'd say growth is near 50% BETTER with his homeade DWC.


it hurts me.



badd


and he can go unattended for days.


that REALLY hurts.

Studying here, may lead to pain relief for me. I have a real problem with the change in flavor and smoking that hydro seems to cause. peers there may be help for that also.


simply outstanding!

 

[guest123]

Yes but it also could be used as a White House-esque way of discounting organic growing methods by making people paranoid and fearful that manufacturers of organic products everywhere are secretly slipping in synthetic substances and/or toxins, which is an alarmist notion.



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i didnt really mean it to sound like that dignan ,,, just finding mass production fertalisers are pretty hard to be totally organic ...
im even careful to feed the poultry whose manure i use organic foods ...
what i am after is to grow vegetables etc with their manure , and feed them back the vegetables ...
i am finding the organic poultry manure better than the not so organic ...

also i think youll find they are not just feeding cheerios to the chickens in the huge chicken farms , takes a bit to keep an animal alive in those conditions and it s sure not natural ....

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Another thing I agree with you on, H3ad, is that experience trumps scientific theory and conjecture. Another example is flushing in organics. Doesn't need to be done and I don't care what anyone says to the contrary... my experience shows otherwise. [where's the close-minded smiley??? LOL]

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Is that all organics, or specific to your methods?

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

i didnt really mean it to sound like that dignan ,,, just finding mass production fertalisers are pretty hard to be totally organic ...
im even careful to feed the poultry whose manure i use organic foods ...
what i am after is to grow vegetables etc with their manure , and feed them back the vegetables ...
i am finding the organic poultry manure better than the not so organic ...

also i think youll find they are not just feeding cheerios to the chickens in the huge chicken farms , takes a bit to keep an animal alive in those conditions and it s sure not natural ....

You're absolutely correct wally...
I've been in the chicken houses on a chicken farm...
I've seen how they feed and water the chickens...
It's pretty sick...
The poultry companies pay out the farmers based on weight vs. food consumption... The heaviest chickens raised with the least amount of food bring a higher per pound price... to get the most weight with the least food, the water the chickens are constantly supplied with are full of vitamin/mineral supplements and hormone...
Even if you're using chicken manure from these farms... or bone/feather/blood meal from their "waste parts"... Is it organic if the chickens themselves are hydroponic?

 

[SensimillaWolf]

haha hydro chickens. A funny and unfortunate situation indeed...

 

[Dignan]

It may haphazardly be my methods, but my methods change kinda regularly. I usually try to flush but often it just doesn't work out [edit- b/c I grow in a guerilla situation], i.e. my plants are green as can be at harvest sometimes [edit- but never dark, waxy green]. There's no difference in the smoke from when my plants yellow up nicely and when they still have green leaves.

I agree Wally about products coming from industrial chicken farms, for instance. I tend to get most of my amendments locally, but I guess I'm pretty fortunate. I live in an area known for ranches and equestrian enthusiasts. (Getting free manure and such from them is about the ONLY advantage of living around these jerks, IMO.)

And H3ad, I agree... if a chicken is being fed some horrible toxic diet and filled with toxins and drugs, I would pass on the dookie from them. But I think for a person to assume that all farms do that is a bit paranoid and sorta the same as a person who assumes anyone with a beard is Taliban or anyone with a Hummer has a small penis. LOL

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

And H3ad, I agree... if a chicken is being fed some horrible toxic diet and filled with toxins and drugs, I would pass on the dookie from them. But I think for a person to assume that all farms do that is a bit paranoid and sorta the same as a person who assumes anyone with a beard is Taliban or anyone with a Hummer has a small penis. LOL

True... but I know for a fact than pilgrim's pride and Tyson and con Agra farms are run this way...

 

[Dignan]

Absolutely. That's no secret. I live about 90 miles from the largest, nastiest factory pig farm in the country and regularly hear of the practices there.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

commercial pig farms are nasty

 

[Mr Celsius]

Nope... the definition of efficient is not 'better than'... I won't argue anymore because you just want to argue... wanting to focus more on your disection of what you think I might have meant, than on what I've said...

Peace and Love... And good day

Please select your words better in the future if you don't want these situations to occur.

I don't want to argue, I want to get what your meaning and, if I understand correctly, I could quote you on saying that hydro is more efficient for indoor uses.

Yet again, lets look at the definition of efficient, from dictionary.com

performing or functioning in the best possible manner with the least waste of time and effort; having and using requisite knowledge, skill, and industry; competent; capable: a reliable, efficient secretary.

Definition of best (same source):

1. of the highest quality, excellence, or standing: the best work; the best students.
2. most advantageous, suitable, or desirable: the best way.QUOTE]

So is the best student or best work done, generally considered to be better then those of a lower quality?

Again, choose your words more wisely. This may be semantics, but if you wish to come off as concise, clear and intelligent, then choose wisely. We can't hear your tone here, or see your facial expressions.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Is that all organics, or specific to your methods?

All organics. I don't know if your know what cation exchange capacity is (CEC), but in a soil medium, you exchange ions that are bound to things like humates and clay particles, you have to exchange the ions of what you want to "flush" (real word is leech) with other ions, so no, you can't flush a true organic medium.

 

[guest123]

wow didnt know about the hummer and the small dick theory ,, hehehhe ....
is it something to do with overcompensation ,, lol ....

 

[Mr Celsius]

wow didnt know about the hummer and the small dick theory ,, hehehhe ....
is it something to do with overcompensation ,, lol ....

Sorry, did I miss something?

 

[guest123]

yep ,, just lightening things up a bit ,,,, always a call for that ,,, specially with the old organic vs chemical ....

i know we have all debated it many times ,, conclusion in the past was we would all do organic if possible ...
it certainly seems hydroponic yeilds are hard to beat ..
at the end of the day itll be the consumer that decides id imagine ...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

All organics. I don't know if your know what cation exchange capacity is (CEC), but in a soil medium, you exchange ions that are bound to things like humates and clay particles, you have to exchange the ions of what you want to "flush" (real word is leech) with other ions, so no, you can't flush a true organic medium.

LMAO... of course I know all about CEC and how plants feed... You really think there is no way to flush any of the many organic growing methods? You're wrong... There is really no way to flush out soil? Wrong again... You think the only to limit plant nutrient intake is to leech said nutrient from the soil? You don't think that a pot of organic mix can be done so that the nutrient is just about all used up by the last two weeks of flower? Impossible to flush organic plants? poppycock.

Flushing does not equal leeching... Efficient does not equal better... Need a dictionary for christmas?

The fact that you only want to nit-pick and argue semantics when the organic forum mod, Tom Hill, and most other knowledgeable experienced growers agree with my statements. Since all you can do is try to pick on the definition of my words, and argue nit-picky technicalities... I'm really done with your argumentative posts...

Quit trying to make yourself 'seem' to be right, and learn something...

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

It does not say

the best.

It says

performing or functioning in the best possible manner with the least waste of time and effort; having and using requisite knowledge, skill, and industry; competent; capable: a reliable, efficient secretar

Performing in the best possible manner with the least waste of time and effort...
Now... If both Organic and hydro can be made to perform in the best possible manner, which they both can, then the only differences involve the 'least possible time and effort' aspect of the definition (which has nothing to do with better or best).

Competent does not mean better, capable does not mean better...

Why do you want to be so argumentative? I'm not even arguing the same thing you are, but you want to draw me into it...

Discuss the topic instead of the vocabulary used to discuss the topic... Stop nitpicking and you may find you have something of substance to contribute.


**edit**You can disagree with me if you want to... I don't really care... This thread is about why you still grow organic... I told why I would and Why I wouldn't... Why do you want to make it a "my method can kick your method's ass" argument thread?

 

[Highlighter]

The main reason I left hydro behind was my environmental concern for the effluent produced by hydro. This stuff is straight out pollution, an end-product w/ no use. Touring the gov't greenhouses in Holland 15 yrs ago, they had big holding pits for this stuff, w/ no practical way of dealing w/it.
I live in a rural area, no sewer, and I won't dump this into my ground.
My used soil gets dumped into the compost bin or directly onto the cut flower garden w/ no ill effect.
Just my on one of the aspects of why I grow organic. All others have been pretty much fleshed out here. Peace, HL

 

[Gumbala]

I dont doubt that your herb tastes good!

And im not telling you about your experience , im speaking on behalf of my own, and ill tell you alot of commercial herb is grown with GH in soil inside!

But I do have a friend or two that uses GH and the looks are always on par , the taste, smoothness etc varies to the downside most of the time,.. But Then again it is the grower that decides to flush enough or not.

Ill put up no doubt, my herb as well gets very high compliments all the time so im not worried about my standards and or pickyness when it comes to herb, shit dude i grew up here in Norcal and talk about variety and standards, id say for the most part Cali sets them! ok.. gotta defend the hometurf! thats norcal by the way! The top half ! not the bottom! haha..

I use nothing but micro and bloom...
I've had several organic growers tell me my weed taste and smells organic... I think it is as good as any organic I've had anywhere... I've never had an organic grower smoking my weed have one single negative comment about the smoke, quite the contrary...
You simply cannot tell me any different because I know better from experience...

Other than the statements about GH, I agree 100% with your post...


On a side note... It sure would be fun if everyone would participate in the growers cup this april... Then we could compare the score sheets with the methods used...