Why are you still growing organic?

[Dignan]

I like to consult the Webster before any other source when it comes to definitions. I agree that we're being sidetracked by semantics, but as long as that's the case, might as well be as accurate as possible. I've bolded that portion that I think is most important. I don't actually agree with the second definition of efficient... efficient to me isn't about being effective, but anyway:

Efficient
Adjective

1. Being effective without wasting time or effort or expense; "an efficient production manager"; "efficient engines save gas".

2. Able to accomplish a purpose; functioning effectively; "people who will do nothing unless they get something out of it for themselves are often highly effective persons..."-G.B.Shaw; "effective personnel"; "an efficient secretary"; "the efficient cause of the revolution".

Source: WordNet 1.7.1 Copyright © 2001 by Princeton University. All rights reserved.

 

[Mr Celsius]

LMAO... of course I know all about CEC and how plants feed... You really think there is no way to flush any of the many organic growing methods? You're wrong... There is really no way to flush out soil? Wrong again... You think the only to limit plant nutrient intake is to leech said nutrient from the soil? You don't think that a pot of organic mix can be done so that the nutrient is just about all used up by the last two weeks of flower? Impossible to flush organic plants? poppycock.

Flushing does not equal leeching... Efficient does not equal better... Need a dictionary for christmas?

The fact that you only want to nit-pick and argue semantics when the organic forum mod, Tom Hill, and most other knowledgeable experienced growers agree with my statements. Since all you can do is try to pick on the definition of my words, and argue nit-picky technicalities... I'm really done with your argumentative posts...

Quit trying to make yourself 'seem' to be right, and learn something...

Man, did I get to you. You even insulted me "Need a ditionary for christmas?". Hmm, I guess your not worth talking to, I thought you were.

Just to clear things up, do you "flush" your field before taking tomatoes?

I don't know if you have, but take a soil science class, its very helpful with correct terminology and an understand of how plants uptake nutrients and how nutrients are held in the medium.

Yes, you could ph lockout nutrients, put a limited amount of nutrients and somehow time exactly when those nutrients will run out, but none of that is flushing. Flushing (really leeching) is the process of running water through soil to leech nutrients out of the medium.

So, no, again, you cannot truly flush an organic medium.

BTW, have a nice life, I'll never talk to you again, by the way that you talked to me. You couldn't simply debate the points with me (I did that to debate because you've called it arguing the whole time, I've seen it as a debate), you felt the need to say I was wrong, yet not explain how.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Man, did I get to you. You even insulted me "Need a ditionary for christmas?". Hmm, I guess your not worth talking to, I thought you were.

No, I'll really buy you a dictionary... it'll help you.

Just to clear things up, do you "flush" your field before taking tomatoes?

Dude... you smoke your tomatoes? I wouldn't flush hydro tomatoes either... I get jealous compliments about my tomatoes in my neighborhood, btw...

I don't know if you have, but take a soil science class, its very helpful with correct terminology and an understand of how plants uptake nutrients and how nutrients are held in the medium.

haven't read many of my threads have you... I know exactly how plants uptake nutrient, that's why I grow hydro... thing is, you need to get out of the classroom and into the growroom, my friend...

Yes, you could ph lockout nutrients, put a limited amount of nutrients and somehow time exactly when those nutrients will run out, but none of that is flushing. Flushing (really leeching) is the process of running water through soil to leech nutrients out of the medium.

Or like in the Mother nature, you can use temperature to flush excess nutrients out of the PLANT... Or talented growers can build their soil so that the plant uses what is there by the end of it's life. Leeching is the process you describe. FLUSHING, however is the process of allowing the plant to use up elements which would affect the flavor and burn.

So, no, again, you cannot truly flush an organic medium.

I never said you should flush an organic medium. I said you should flush the nasty tasting and dark grey burning nitrogen out of your PLANT. I've had plenty of organic herb that wouldn't burn right. Too much nutrients left in the plant. should have been feed much less late in life (i.e. flushed). I don't ever run clean water through my medium to leech the nutrients from it. Coco has a high CEC, so it holds nutes like soil does... I just feed with plain water for enough time for the plant to use up the nutrient in the coco and in the fan leaves. That's proper flushing... All that leeching shit is a waste of time...

Also I would say that a properly done organic grow is 'self flushing'. i.e. never an excess of nutrient to begin with...

BTW, have a nice life, I'll never talk to you again, by the way that you talked to me. You couldn't simply debate the points with me (I did that to debate because you've called it arguing the whole time, I've seen it as a debate), you felt the need to say I was wrong, yet not explain how.

I can only hope you'll never talk to me again... I was getting tired of you trying to turn a discussion where growers are trying to arrive at a consensus into some sort of 'mine's better than yours' debate. You simply couldn't see that there is no debate here, that we were having a perfectly harmonious discussion here, excepting the discourse involving you. I have repeatedly explained how you are wrong, and everyone but you sees it.

Good Day.

 

[Guest]

No, I'll really buy you a dictionary... it'll help you.

Good Day.

It goes back to giving pearls to pigs - ya can't.
Cause they just eat them.



more relivent to the topic - all I want is a way to grow that dosen't require my daily attention and still has the conisure taste and smokeability as my current mostly organic soil grow it's been years since I could "get away" for a few days

 

[Guest]

Carefull gentel readers, Mr Celsius gives neg rep because he thinks I called him a pig. Even though he has no pearls

Guess his true attitude shows thru after all huh? LOL

small minds feel the need to opress those they can not impress.

you felt the need to say I was wrong, yet not explain how.

here, let me get you a picture of your problem, "Mr Celeius"



anytime you feel others are obligated to explaine until YOU understand - yes you are a pig.

Understand that?

Take your childish crap elsewhere, we have seen your true colors.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

When I took Debate in school, one of the important aspects of a formal debate is defining your terms. It is impossible to talk about things if your definitions of words differs. In the interest of clarification here are some of the terms pertaining to this discussion defined by the New Oxford American Dictionary.

argue |ˈärgyoō|
verb ( -gues , -gued , -guing )
1. [ reporting verb ] give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view.

debate |diˈbāt|
noun
a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.
verb [ trans. ]
argue about (a subject), esp. in a formal manner

discussion |disˈkə sh ən|
noun
the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange idea

leech 1 |lē ch |
noun
1 an aquatic or terrestrial annelid worm with suckers at both ends. Many species are bloodsucking parasites, esp. of vertebrates, and others are predators. • Class Hirudinea: many species. See also medicinal leech .
2 a person who extorts profit from or sponges on others : they are leeches feeding off the hardworking majority.
verb [ intrans. ]
habitually exploit or rely on : he's leeching off the kindness of others.
ORIGIN Old English lǣce, lȳce; related to Middle Dutch lake, lieke.
leech 2
noun archaic
a doctor or healer.
ORIGIN Old English lǣce, of Germanic origin.
leech 3
noun Sailing
the after or leeward edge of a fore-and-aft sail, the leeward edge of a spinnaker, or a vertical edge of a square sail.
ORIGIN late 15th cent.: probably of Scandinavian origin and related to Swedish lik, Danish lig, denoting a rope sewn round the edge of a sail to stop the canvas from tearing.

Thesaurus
leech
noun
the welfare system is supposed to help the needy, not to feed the leeches parasite, bloodsucker; informal scrounger, sponger, bottom feeder, freeloader.

Flush 1 |flə sh |
verb
1 [ intrans. ] (of a person's skin or face) become red and hot, typically as the result of illness or strong emotion : Mr. Cunningham flushed angrily | [as adj. ] ( flushed) her flushed cheeks.
• [ trans. ] cause (a person's skin or face) to become red and hot : the chill air flushed the parson's cheeks.
• glow or cause to glow with warm color or light : [ intrans. ] the ash in the center of the fire flushed up | [ trans. ] the sky was flushed with the gold of dawn.
• ( be flushed with) figurative be excited or elated by : flushed with success, I was getting into my stride.
2 [ trans. ] cleanse (something, esp. a toilet) by causing large quantities of water to pass through it : flush the toilet | the nurse flushed out the catheter.
• [ intrans. ] (of a toilet) be cleansed in such a way : Cally heard the toilet flush.
• [ trans. ] remove or dispose of (an object or substance) in such a way : I flushed the pills down the toilet | the kidneys require more water to flush out waste products.
• [ trans. ] cause (a liquid) to flow through something : 0.3 ml of saline is gently flushed through the tube.
3 [ trans. ] drive (a bird, esp. a game bird, or an animal) from its cover : the grouse were flushed from the woods.
• figurative cause to be revealed; force into the open : they're trying to flush Tilton out of hiding.
4 [ intrans. ] (of a plant) send out fresh shoots : the plant had started to flush by late March.
noun
1 a reddening of the face or skin that is typically caused by illness or strong emotion : a flush of embarrassment rose to her cheeks.
• an area of warm color or light : the bird has a pinkish flush on the breast.
2 [in sing. ] a sudden rush of intense emotion : I was carried away in a flush of enthusiasm.
• a sudden abundance or spate of something : the frogs feast on the great flush of insects.
• figurative a period when something is new or particularly fresh and vigorous : he is no longer in the first flush of youth.
• a fresh growth of leaves, flowers, or fruit.
3 an act of cleansing something, esp. a toilet, with a sudden flow of water : an old-fashioned toilet uses six or seven gallons per flush | leave the hose running to give the system a good flush out.
• the device used for producing such a flow of water in a toilet : he pressed the flush absentmindedly.
• [as adj. ] denoting a type of toilet that has such a device : a flush toilet.
• a sudden flow : the melting snow provides a flush of water.
4 the action of driving a game bird from its cover : the dogs retrieve the birds after the flush.
DERIVATIVES
flusher noun
ORIGIN Middle English (in the sense [move rapidly, spring up,] esp. of a bird [fly up suddenly] ): symbolic, fl- frequently beginning words connected with sudden movement; perhaps influenced by flash and blush .
flush 2
adjective
1 completely level or even with another surface : the gates are flush with the adjoining fencing.
• (of printed text) not indented or protruding : each line is flush with the left-hand margin.
• (of a door) having a smooth surface, without indented or protruding panels or moldings.
2 [ predic. ] informal having plenty of something, esp. money : the banks are flush with funds. See note at wealthy .
• (of money) plentiful : the years when cash was flush.
adverb
so as to be level or even : the screw must fit flush with the surface.
• so as to be directly centered; squarely : Jumbo reached up and hit Bruno flush on the jaw.
verb [ trans. ]
fill in (a joint) level with a surface.
DERIVATIVES
flushness noun
ORIGIN mid 16th cent.(in the sense [perfect, lacking nothing] ): probably related to flush 1 .
flush 3
noun
(in poker) a hand of cards all of the same suit.
ORIGIN early 16th cent.: from French flux (formerly flus), from Latin fluxus ‘a flow’ (see flux : the use in cards can be compared with English run).
flush 4
noun Ecology
a piece of wet ground over which water flows without being confined to a definite channel.

When I say flush it is in the context of removing excess nutrient from the plant by giving the plants only water.

Of course we already have definitions posted for efficient and best, so I'll not bother reposting...

organic |ôrˈganik|
adjective
1 of, relating to, or derived from living matter : organic soils.
• Chemistry of, relating to, or denoting compounds containing carbon (other than simple binary compounds and salts) and chiefly or ultimately of biological origin. Compare with inorganic .
• (of food or farming methods) produced or involving production without the use of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, or other artificial agents.

mineral |ˈmin(ə)rəl|
noun
1 a solid inorganic substance of natural occurrence.

synthetic |sinˈθetik|
adjective
relating to or using synthesis.
• (of a substance) made by chemical synthesis, esp. to imitate a natural product : synthetic rubber.

purify |ˈpyoŏrəˌfī|
verb ( -fies, -fied) [ trans. ]
remove contaminants from : the filtration plant is able to purify 70 tons of water a day | [as adj. ] ( purified) purified linseed oil.
• make ceremonially clean : a ritual bath to purify the soul.
• rid (something) of an unwanted element : Mao's campaign to purify the Communist Party hierarchy.
• ( purify something from) extract something from : genomic DNA was purified from whole blood.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

NOW... Like I said, Celsius...
We were trying to have a discussion here, which you wanted to turn into an argument.
Had you wanted to turn it into a debate, then formal procedures need to be followed.

 

[Guest]

Grat3fulh3ad
The Voice of Reason


hmmmmmm,


I'd add the paitenance and wisdom of Moses.



In order to gain knowlege, one must be open minded and ready to learn - celcius is too damm busy yelling and giving others orders and neg rep to learn anything. Why do you bother? It's like giving that spoiled child additional attention, - he dosen't learn, or contribute, he only consumes.


It's a good fight, and I am sure other readers can gain knowlege and insite, I salute your style!

 

[Mr Celsius]

Carefull gentel readers, Mr Celsius gives neg rep because he thinks I called him a pig. Even though he has no pearls

Guess his true attitude shows thru after all huh? LOL

small minds feel the need to opress those they can not impress.




here, let me get you a picture of your problem, "Mr Celeius"



anytime you feel others are obligated to explaine until YOU understand - yes you are a pig.

Understand that?

Take your childish crap elsewhere, we have seen your true colors.

Childish? I gave you negative rep, because you said something negative about me. Thats why its called karma. If you have a problem with the system, I'm sure Dutch or Nirvana would be open to your suggestions.

Also, if you don't want negative rep, in the future, don't say negative things. You weren't involved, but you made yourself involved... bad thing to do on forums, good way to make parties unhappy with you. Is that your goal?

Why did you say anything at all? Kiss up to Head, piss me off? Point: your post was pointless.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Grat3fulh3ad
The Voice of Reason


hmmmmmm,


I'd add the paitenance and wisdom of Moses.



In order to gain knowlege, one must be open minded and ready to learn - celcius is too damm busy yelling and giving others orders and neg rep to learn anything. Why do you bother? It's like giving that spoiled child additional attention, - he dosen't learn, or contribute, he only consumes.


It's a good fight, and I am sure other readers can gain knowlege and insite, I salute your style!

I've never had a conversation with you in my life. Then you come out and judge me, your not involved. I will contact an admin if you continue to insult and harass me.

Head, thanks for the response, but, as I said, I will no longer be talking to you. Me and you don't have problems. Me and this prick (solarT) do.

 

[Guest]

I've never had a conversation with you in my life. Then you come out and judge me, your not involved. I will contact an admin if you continue to insult and harass me.

Head, thanks for the response, but, as I said, I will no longer be talking to you. Me and you don't have problems. Me and this prick (solarT) do.

I quoted a very old and worthy parable - the fact you assume it was aimed specifically at you only confirms your feelings of inadequacy and inferiority to all of us. This if further reinforced with your "no longer talking" yet here you are - wankering for a diaper change


I am sure admin will see the real troll - call away!



from your sig. "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough"


ohhhh relly?
--- orrrr your not bright enough to comprehend,,,,,,,,


edit: celsius,,,

If you look at the definition of efficient, it pretty much screams better-then. So your saying that hydro is better then organics.



You don't want to debate with me anymore because you can't prove me wrong.

Sorry, did I miss something?

And then your tirade about "PLEASE SELECT YOUR WORDS MORE CAREFULLY"


Who's stiring shit?
Who the hell do you think you are?
Just in case you forgot, this ain't your thread or your forum - go get the teacher or police, you little shit weasle.

Let's compare notes ok?

you said you were done - not enough self control ? or is it a mental thing?

 

[Suby]

Well that's a wrap.
With all due respect to Octodiem let's all let weed growers be united and get back to the business of growing.

S