What is Skunk?

[beancounter]

Honestly I don't expect a breeder to release a reliable RKS like most remember, I mean the truly deathly reaking shit that smells exactly dead on like a RKS.. I think those plants are mostly cuts, select phenos grown for commercial, and that's why you never hear of people growing them online.. THese are special clones held by people never passed on.. They likely die out, then the next super RKS smelling pheno is found, and on and on and on.

I think the true RKS, is a rare and special thing.. And for that reason, I don't really have any hope for it to be made easily avaliable in seed form..

What I would like to see, is a SKunk line that is consistantly skunky, maybe 3-4 bags to hold the smell instead of 5-6, like I said, even if it had a bit of other flavor in there, that would be fine.. Because a line like that, if enough are grown, will produce that rare and special RKS pheno..

After having my hopes dashed many many times, my standards for a 'true skunk' seedline aren't as high as I once held them, because i've come to realize the rareity of a true RKS plant.

There's skunkyness in other strains SW, like u say.. Shark Shock can give some funk, Godbud, Deep Chunk, NYCD, SD IBL, Frostbite.. etc.. and some of the phenos can have a decent skunk smell.. but it always doesn't show up after the cure, or it's weak. I'd like to see a seedline that was just a good skunky skunk, where the rare phenos will be the RKS people want... A seedline where any RKS junky would be happy puffing during his journey to find the RKS.. like cheese or ECSD is for me..


You can jus see the passion surrounding this topic tho, very few threads grow this fast, there's definately a ton of interest in a Skunk line that smells like a skunk. Finding the super RKS phenos will come after people start growing them.


lol, i could talk skunk all day, i'm a hopeless addict.

 

[Guest]

I think this is what happens when you name a strain after a smell that cannabis is naturally prone to possess. I still love Skunk #1, though..for all the reasons other than the smell(or lack thereof)

 

[beancounter]

whats the strongest i can get, that isnt mainly sativa?

I would go with Master or Hindu Kush if you are looking for something more indica.. I would also say look to the afghans, but there's not enough reliable ones left to recomend, that are cheap...

if you like the skunky 'stain your mouth' flavor then these will suit your tastes more than the Super Skunk IMHO.

Godbud is good, but it's harder to find a reliabel seedbank with it, and i prefer the kushy taste over the slightly skunky phenos of Godbud i had, but i never found a super pheno, and never tried Dave Van Pot's version which might be better..

good luck..

 

[Guest423]

i hear ya bc, it sucks to want something so bad and can't find it or even worse thinking that it's extinct.

i'm a die hard skunk lover myself....look at my avatar....look at me try all these skunks in my threads and make crosses. i feel ya on the hopeless addict part.

i helped a person grow rks for a couple seasons outdoors in the north, i didn't know anything about breeding....i barely knew anything about growing to be honest....i just helped dig holes, carried out jugs of water with nutes, i took that strain for granted since i could easily get it whenever i wanted....i got alot for free for helping....then after i smoked my helper share i got the hookup for a cheap price.

thats the stuff i was talking about earlier that just died out....first yr i helped you could smell the skunk patch all the way through the valley....anyone that went out in them woods would of thought a skunk was walking around spraying everything in site.

the next yr the smell was less but still rks.....then the next yr it was only "skunky"....after that i didn't help the guy much and that following year i picked some up from him and it was only mildy skunky......obviously he didn't use a mother because it wouldn't degenerate that fast.....and he must not of been using orginal seedstock....my final conclusion of what happened now that i'm more aware about growing and breeding is he started out with killer rks...planted them seeds and grew it outside....the plants we planted must of got pollinated by other strains in the area or ditchweed......he must of harvested and pulled the few seeds that were in the rks to start his new batch the next season...then the same the next season...and the next season....basically until the rks was bred right out on accident.

i wish i knew then what i know now...i would of got a cut and seeds from him that first yr....i would of made a heaping pile of rks beans and would still have the cut to this day......it's beginning to sound like rks was bred out on accident and on purpose...i hope not.

 

[Guest]

The name Original Haze was made up by R.L. around 1970, I made up the Skunk #1 name. People did offer herbal Cannabis with the description skunky, indica, kush, afghani, but no one had the seeds to offer, except the BOEL, but they did not understand breeding or conservation. Most of the seeds they traded were imported Landraces or unstable hybrids and are gone today. They were hybridized out of exsistence.
-SamS

Hi Sam,

Wonderfull posts to clean up. Thank you. Agreed, before you there was Landraces and Bagseed, not much else, certainly no stabillised Hybrids and Skunk '1 is still the milestone today as it was back then.

I do not believe the communes lines smelt of 'skunk' I was led to believe it was just a strong smelling line derived from South American genetics. Their Haze line was definately not marketed as 'Original Haze', but as just 'Haze', possibly even 'Haze Herbs'.

UK Cheese is almost certainly Skunk x Afghan rather than a pheno of Skunk #1. I reckon a good Skunk x Afghan is far closer to the roadkill that Skunk #1

It smells and tastes to me, and to many others, just the same as the Origional Skunks from Holland in the 80s. Not different. Thats why its loved so much. If you sex reverse the clone you can see exactly what it is, Skunk #1. No doubt, no mystery.

Just goes to show how good the origional selections where, when its still dominating Cups nearly 20 years on and every breeder and their dog is now working with the 'cheese' it makes me laugh.

All the best, Flowers

 

[smokeymacpot]

I would go with Master or Hindu Kush if you are looking for something more indica.. I would also say look to the afghans, but there's not enough reliable ones left to recomend, that are cheap...

if you like the skunky 'stain your mouth' flavor then these will suit your tastes more than the Super Skunk IMHO.

Godbud is good, but it's harder to find a reliabel seedbank with it, and i prefer the kushy taste over the slightly skunky phenos of Godbud i had, but i never found a super pheno, and never tried Dave Van Pot's version which might be better..

good luck..

i would go for something by nirvana (only one with reasonable prices lol) and smell isnt important, i wanted the skunk for the smell, would rather just have summat strong tbh.

 

[smokeymacpot]

i hear ya bc, it sucks to want something so bad and can't find it or even worse thinking that it's extinct.

i'm a die hard skunk lover myself....look at my avatar....look at me try all these skunks in my threads and make crosses. i feel ya on the hopeless addict part.

i helped a person grow rks for a couple seasons outdoors in the north, i didn't know anything about breeding....i barely knew anything about growing to be honest....i just helped dig holes, carried out jugs of water with nutes, i took that strain for granted since i could easily get it whenever i wanted....i got alot for free for helping....then after i smoked my helper share i got the hookup for a cheap price.

thats the stuff i was talking about earlier that just died out....first yr i helped you could smell the skunk patch all the way through the valley....anyone that went out in them woods would of thought a skunk was walking around spraying everything in site.

the next yr the smell was less but still rks.....then the next yr it was only "skunky"....after that i didn't help the guy much and that following year i picked some up from him and it was only mildy skunky......obviously he didn't use a mother because it wouldn't degenerate that fast.....and he must not of been using orginal seedstock....my final conclusion of what happened now that i'm more aware about growing and breeding is he started out with killer rks...planted them seeds and grew it outside....the plants we planted must of got pollinated by other strains in the area or ditchweed......he must of harvested and pulled the few seeds that were in the rks to start his new batch the next season...then the same the next season...and the next season....basically until the rks was bred right out on accident.

i wish i knew then what i know now...i would of got a cut and seeds from him that first yr....i would of made a heaping pile of rks beans and would still have the cut to this day......it's beginning to sound like rks was bred out on accident and on purpose...i hope not.

can you not get hold of that guy anymore? if your so desperate for it, you could grow some of the seeds and see if you can find a good one!!

 

[Guest423]

i'm not desperate for it...i just want it.....i have alot of other killer strains.

this was over 10 yrs ago, i see him all the time, he's my friends dad and he's still growing that strain and crossing it with others....there is nothing rks about it anymore. like i said it either choked itself out or got cross pollinated with the local ditchweed to many times.

season 1- rks
season 2- rks x ditchweed
season 3- rks/ditchweed x ditchweed
season 4- rks/ditchweed/ditchweed x ditchweed

that old man basically has stablized a ditchweed lol. i don't want ditchweed ibl

 

[Guest]

hi everyone,
i'm kinda late to the discussion, but i'm running a strain for the first time that is a real skunk, i believe.
i've experienced many skunks(animals) in real life, and this is a very close match.
in veg, a friend who came over could smell it outside in the driveway, and i only have one plant of this pheno. i promptly activated the carbon filter to take care of it. but shit, thats pretty strong compared to any of the 10+ strains i've run before.

its seed description contains the following:
It is a cross between a mother of Skunk #1 (named Killer Stink) with a select strain of Big Bud.

i think i got a pheno of the mother... anyone ever heard of "killer stink?"

 

[Guest423]

never heard of killer stink but if your friend could smell the plant in veg from the driveway we are on to something.

where did u order them from?

 

[kanebosem]

i think he is talking about bio-bizz seeds skunk/bigbud

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

Wow! I go to bed, and when I wake up there are four more pages added to this thread. I almost thought I was back at OG for a split second.

So Sam the Skunkman chimed in, showed no mercy and stepped on a few toes in the process.

Just goes to show how good the origional selections where, when its still dominating Cups nearly 20 years on and every breeder and their dog is now working with the 'cheese' it makes me laugh.

I think the Cheese is an exceptional pheno, even if it is pure Skunk #1 (which seems plausible), it doesn't mean nothing has happened in the last 20 years, it simply means everybody's looking for those one of a kind-phenos, since they can be pimped for cash. A lot of famous breeders have built their careers on one or two of those exceptional plants. I'm thinking Soma and his Afghan Hawaiian male, or the Grimm Bros freak Jack Herer pheno called "Princess", which later became C99...

"sorry but "sams" skunk is not skunk.....i don't care if people think he's the skunkman...your not the skunkman if you don't have real skunk....

it took you 10 yrs to ruin a strain....

i've grown your skunk and it isn't potent as hell....thats being honest....

Aren't you going a bit over the top there? Saying to the guy that bred the Skunk #1 that he ruined it by doing it is a bit like saying to Picasso that he ruined a painting by not painting it the way you wanted it.

Weed wasn't better in the old days, and one's memory sure doesn't get better with the years either. There's so much more variety today and more genetics avaible from all the corners of the world, so much good work has been done by eminent breeders since, that I do not understand how anyone could claim so, except out of pure nostalgia.

I understand you're getting frustrated by all the "what whent down in the golden age of pot" hype Sam, I remember you reacted harshly in a Grimm Bros history thread as well, but if you flame people for being wrong you won't get quite the merit you deserve.
Just for the record, you should know that there's a Swedish psychologist named Thomas Lundquist, working for a Swedish Drug Addiction Treatement Centre, that wrote a dissertation on Skunk weed. His conclusion is that Skunk originated in Denmark, or possibly Holland, and that it is called Skunk because in Danish "Skunk" means "attic", where according to him is where it was first cultivated. Here's a short online version of his text in HTML-format. Unfortunately it's in Swedish, but his personal email is included, in case you want to contanct him and tell him what a retard he is, I'm sure he understands English:
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cach...unk+ursprung&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=safari

By the way, he names his sources as "Personal communication with Skunk growers"... lol.
Just another straw in the mythology hay-stack.

 

[Elevator Man]

Unbelieveable - Sam, if you're reading this, thanks for popping in - you cleared up a lot of my questions in one post, and settled a few issues for me on this one. It's also confirmed to me that my current skunk grow contains both the sweet and 'the other' pheno - it's sour, it's piney, it's slightly vomitty, and it does have a bit of fruit. But it's not sweet at all. Of course, I guess no-one will believe me.

So, out of ten seeds from Sam, via Seedsman, (for ten English pounds) I got three killer phenos ranging from the super-sweet to the super-sour nasty. I consider that not only a bargain, but a confirmation that there's more to this breeding lark than meets the eye, and I for one have a lot of respect for that chap. If this is 'ruining' a strain, then we are in a very strange world indeed.

 

[Alex-F]

Unbelieveable - Sam, if you're reading this, thanks for popping in - you cleared up a lot of my questions in one post, and settled a few issues for me on this one. It's also confirmed to me that my current skunk grow contains both the sweet and 'the other' pheno - it's sour, it's piney, it's slightly vomitty, and it does have a bit of fruit. But it's not sweet at all. Of course, I guess no-one will believe me.

So, out of ten seeds from Sam, via Seedsman, (for ten English pounds) I got three killer phenos ranging from the super-sweet to the super-sour nasty. I consider that not only a bargain, but a confirmation that there's more to this breeding lark than meets the eye, and I for one have a lot of respect for that chap. If this is 'ruining' a strain, then we are in a very strange world indeed.

I germed the SamS Skunk#1 freebie and got 1 female. She's the craziest brancher I've ever grown, roots like a bitch (no other strain even comes close so far) and stinks of rotten fruit with a slight vommity smell like you describe.

Certainly a fine freebie in all terms, if you have the patience to germ them... :wink:

 

[Guest]

Alex, I also had one sprout of the several(freebies) I planted. Granted, I still have 4 seeds left(saving for a good time), and I germed them in the soil(kush, lowryder, and hawaiian sativa all popped no problem). Either way....I'd give my left nut for this plant to end up female.

 

[Alex-F]

Those seeds are like 10-15 years old, they just need a little persuading

I skuffed mine lightly with fine sand paper before. Really just lightly so as not to dammage them, and mainly down the sharp edge where it later splits open. Took about 5-6 days for a tap root to come out, but it did and that's all that matters. The plant from seed was real weak, but her clones are stellar :wink:

Hope yours turns out girlie

 

[Guest]

why do threads like this always end up in breader bashing If Sam's skunk has been going for 30 years its because some people like it and just maybe he's a good breeder. Talking about who bred what strain or who is the real deal is just a waste of time. Good seeds get passed around, bad ones disappear.

As for the roadkill, its a shame the feno has been lost and nobody can get some old seeds to work with it again and see how it compares to the other skunk strains available commercially. That way everyone wins, free to grow whichever you want. But how can anyone know what it genuinely was? Without the input of someone who still has it or doing chromosome analysis, all you are talking about is a mixture of urban legend, memories, rumors and hype.

If people are that desperate to get it, what is stopping them getting the original landraces, all easy enough to find, then breed the 3 way cross until you reproduce the road kill feno. Reefer has all the required parents so I would guess he's doing something along those lines.

 

[GoodbyeBlueSky]

Sam knows better than anyone what good skunk is... like he said he's grown out MILLIONS of the beans... seems like there's a lot of people in denial around here (cough coughT2U cough)... i used to get a lot more stoned when i was younger... it sure doesn't mean the weed i was smoking was better...

some of you need to show a little more respect...

it's no wonder Sam doesn't post here more often the way he got treated... the guy's basically the father of modern cannabis breeding and here he has people telling him he doesn't know shit... honestly, whos got more cred...

for shame...

 

[GoodbyeBlueSky]

i have 1 question....if you sam are the skunk maker...your saying every single breeder and seed company that sells any skunk#1 is yours?

well DUH!!!

Flying Dutchman...
Sensi Seedbank...
Cultivator's Choice...
Nirvana...
and on and on and on... all Sam's...

 

[SoulRebel]

I haven't seen REAL SKUNK around since about 1992 or so...


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