weird problems need help please

[wutwut]

Have you a fan on the floor W?

nope, only on top of the canopy.

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i think roots freezed because i took cold minus degree air from outside but also it is overwatering because pots are still heavy and i haven't watered them for 5 days or so now. amnesia is going to die it shows only droopy leaves. i am almost going to cry because of this situtation and my life is so hard at the same time with this moment. simple just too much things to worry about.

luckily maybe bubba and og are gonna recover and i get some medicine. i have to accept this and look to forward. this hobby is so giving but also it takes if something happens. learned again from mistakes _do not water too often and too much_ & _do not let too cold air to inside of the tent_.

worst thing is that i never get those clones to root but still have hope for it. always i can find new ones. i try to be more optimistic. in next summer i have time to grow at outdoor and in autumn i make comeback to indoor with larger knowledge.

if they don't recover then it is necessary to happen. somehow i believe to karma.

 

[wutwut]

wow this is weird. i weighted amnesia's pot. it was dry but when i used soil humidity meter it was wet at bottom of the pot. i watered it immediately with 3.5ml grow & bloom. made me feel little better coz now i know i still have chance to save her.

but.. bubba and og are still wet/moist with heavy pots. i added heat mat for og kush which looks more yellower. watered them 6 days ago or so.

so crazy how easily everything can change from good to bad or bad to good. living plants hehe.

edit: wohoo! amnesia made it better. leaves started to grow up.

waiting to the next day..

 

[DNM1]

wow this is weird. i weighted amnesia's pot. it was dry but when i used soil humidity meter it was wet at bottom of the pot. i watered it immediately with 3.5ml grow & bloom. made me feel little better coz now i know i still have chance to save her.

but.. bubba and og are still wet/moist with heavy pots. i added heat mat for og kush which looks more yellower. watered them 6 days ago or so.

so crazy how easily everything can change from good to bad or bad to good. living plants hehe.

waiting to the next day..

Your air circulation is cause of the problem
Need to get a fan and place it on the floor blowing air at pots. That will help circulate warm air which is currently trapped over plants, and,you'll find that by doing that both root, top of plant will start working simultaneously

 

[GoatCheese]

To me on the first page it looked like under watering, like someone mentioned; the top soil looked quite dry. ..leaves curling, light green leaves , yellowing lower leaves.

Your plants look ok now, don't worry. It's easy to start over watering after under watering them (=easy to overcompensate) so i wouldn't change anything that much. Big plants can handle watering swings better than smaller ones especially if they're in big pots.


Also..
I can't see too well from the photos but are your containers sitting on the floor? Cold floor can cause problems especially if your over watering your plants cause the root system will get cold during colder seasons, fall/winter, so you might wanna put something under them to lift them off the floor; A stack of old news paper if you don't have anything else. Just some insulation against the cold floor.

 

[wutwut]

i tried to take better photos but with lights on you can't see it same as me at live. plants are light green again. some newer leaves with buds looks ok but i think bud growing has stopped.

yes they stand on a floor with tray. tomorrow i add one more fan to under of canopy but is it really necessary because i am using fabric pots?

 

[DNM1]

i tried to take better photos but with lights on you can't see it same as me at live. plants are light green again. some newer leaves with buds looks ok but i think bud growing has stopped.

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yes they stand on a floor with tray. tomorrow i add one more fan to under of canopy but is it really necessary because i am using fabric pots?

And,what GS just suggested.Lift them slightly
If you have the time my friend, what are the strains, and,how far into flowering you think they are
They look good

 

[wutwut]

And,what GS just suggested.Lift them slightly
If you have the time my friend, what are the strains, and,how far into flowering you think they are
They look good

thank you guys again!
strains are amnesia core cut, hso bubba kush and hso og kush all from clones. they are now been 4 weeks at 12/12 so week 5 started yesterday. i can see some but little brown pistils. i think they are ready at week 10.

 

[GoatCheese]

[FONT=&quot]Yea, from the new photos, i think you could be under watering them abit ..some of the top leaves have yellowing from heat stress/drying. I used to see this alot, esp. during the summers when i grew in small pots under a 250w hps.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It's good to let the soil to dry out every now and them but not after every watering.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]..but remember, it's easy to overcompensate and start over watering them, so take it fairly easy with the extra watering.
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I grow in fairly small pots (3-10 liters), and i check the amount of moisture in the soil by lifting the pots abit ...maybe just one corner, to get a feel how much the container weighs. Sure this is more difficult with larger plants and pots, but you only have to lift it a little bit, just so you can get a feel of the weight. = try to get an understanding how much a pot full of soil straight from a bag feels in your hands compared to a pot full of soil you have just watered.

 

[wutwut]

now you can see them when lights are off
i had to dim back to 400w because temperature was way too high and now buds are gonna produce more terpenes i think so

 

[DNM1]

now you can see them when lights are off
i had to dim back to 400w because temperature was way too high and now buds are gonna produce more terpenes i think so

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Finish them off W.

 

[wutwut]

Finish them off W.

yeah i will im stressing so much with this project because i have so low amount of medicine. when this is done then i can be more relaxed and have not to worry about next round mistakes.

 

[wutwut]

5 weeks from the switch to 12/12 [day 35] only half left!

is this yellowing normal for some phenos? usually i have grown with too much nitrogen.

 

[wutwut]

amnesia

bubba kush

og kush

 

[GoatCheese]

They don't look like they're starving, i actually might give them even little less nutes, but that's just me. Don't worry, just make sure you don't under/over water them and you'll be fine.


If leaves have gotten damaged during bloom for whatever reason, the plants might not fully fix themselves cause most of the energy is going to bud and chemo-development.

 

[f-e]

Full blown phosphorus deficiency going on there guy.

This guy ^^ is an industry insider.

While many things can cause some of the individual symptoms, the downward cupping and curling of soft looking leaves, can't be much else. When accompanied with a weak green colour, and that soft brown death at the tip, I'm pretty certain. But when slownickel then says the same thing, I'm left with no doubt.

P is particularly needed up until now. At which point the need for P is replaced with a growing need for K. So I would hit them with PK

 

[GoatCheese]

This guy ^^ is an industry insider.

While many things can cause some of the individual symptoms, the downward cupping and curling of soft looking leaves, can't be much else. When accompanied with a weak green colour, and that soft brown death at the tip, I'm pretty certain. But when slownickel then says the same thing, I'm left with no doubt.

P is particularly needed up until now. At which point the need for P is replaced with a growing need for K. So I would hit them with PK

Doesn't P deficiency look like purpling on the leaves? Like this:
..atleast this is how it showed on my messed up plants.

Downward curling can be caused also by too much nitrogen. Hazes/sativas do that when given too much N.


Imo, the light yellowing on upper leaves is caused by heat radiation and drying out too much ..atleast that's how my plants looked like when they dried out abit under a HPS

 

[wutwut]

yeah symptoms are getting worse. im pretty sure for that they dont drink very much/fast. yellowing is happening everywhere and i think bud growth has slightly slowed. some hairs are brown. in this week 6 i'm giving for them 4ml/l grow, bloom & topmax.

im almost happy because now i can still get some racy early raw ganja. but ofcourse i wan't to finish this project to the harvest time for some good medicine if it is possible.

still waiting for clones to root. now they have been like two weeks in a rockwool cubes with 5.8ph. under 45w cfl. i really want to see some roots because i think those mothers which are flowered can not make it to re-veg and recover. looks so bad.

 

[GoatCheese]

Long post coming up. Bare with me.


Yea if the growth seems stunned and they're not drinking they could be in over watering shock.

It really is a bitch to get the watering right in bloom once the problems have started. I used to fuck up many grows because of these issues till i got a feel to it. ---> the larger the pot is and the smaller the plant for the pot size, the easier it is to mess things up. LArge plants handle over watering better than small ones.

The way i sorted it was to veg the plants to large enough size for the container i'm using, thou this way you have to water them almost daily ..but they handle over watering much better this way.

For the next grow try to get a feel with the "lifting the container"-method i tried to describe last week.

Also, it is important to understand that not every plant likes to get watered as much as some others, like Haze genetics are said to dislike too moist soil. They are picky about over feeding and over watering.
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I didn't look thru the whole thread at first but on this post:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8758332&postcount=42
They are definitely over watered, esp. the Amnesia. That is what over watering damage looks like.100%. If your plants look like this in veg, then it would be wise to re-pot them in new soil and start over, because once over watered this badly the roots start to rot and the fastest way to fix that is re-potting into new soil.

Like i said, i used to champion in fucking plants up by over watering them.

Like you wrote earlier, that this is the way your plants look many times before you start blooming them, then your biggest problem is to get the watering right.100%.


Sure, it's nice to have big plants in the tent, but i recommend you grow atleast a plant or two in smaller pots in 3-5 litres of soil, cause it's easier to learn to water them the right way when the pots aren't too large. 5 gallon pots are quite large in my mind

..like i wrote earlier, i usually grow in 10 litres max and i can get around 40-50 grams of dry flower with a Critical Kush-type plant in 6-10 litre pot of soil with a 250w hps. But i have to water the plant daily, which is abit of a drag. But it's quite difficult to overwater them cause they dry out quickly.

This is a CBD Critical Kush in about 5 litres of soil. It yield around 35-40g of dry flower under a 250w hps. They don't necessarily need a huge container to yield fairly well once you just veg them to good size. Sure, you need to water them daily, which can be annoying.

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Another thing..
You are using BioBizz nutes like i am. How much Grow and how much Bloom are you giving them in milliliters/litre of water each component?

..cause i noticed you writing that "[FONT=&quot]kushes takes up to 5-7ml/L nitrogen" and on another post you said you give them "grow 3-5ml and bloom 1,5-2ml".[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]That is way too much my friend![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]That CBD Critical Kush in the photo i give it under 4ml/litre the maximum and that is BioBizz Grow and Bloom combined! That is, during the last few weeks of feeding before i start to give it nothing but water it's about 1-2ml of Grow and 1,5 -3 ml of Bloom. 4ml the max. both components included. Which is about 50% of what BioBizz states in their feeding schedule. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]..so you're feeding your plants way too much, imo[/FONT]
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The photo above was taken around a week before chop after about 3-4 weeks without any nutrients, just plain water + TopMAx. The soil won't run out of nutrients as soon as you start giving them just plain water + TopMax. There's still plenty of nutrients in the soil for next few weeks for a medium feeding plant like that CBD Critical Kush in the photo. I harvest that plant after 12 weeks and i stop giving it Grow and Bloom after 7 weeks. So it's about 5 weeks of water and TopMax. Looks like shit when it's yellowing like that, but that is what you want for smooth smokes. You want the plant to use the energy and nutrients stored in the leaves before you chop it down.

..and i haven't been able to get it 100% perfect yet, there's still abit of harshness in the smoke. Can get better and i give it around 50% of what BioBizz recommends.


[FONT=&quot]Here's a post i made earlier on how i use BioBizz nutes with plants like C99, Blueberry, Herijuana or some Haze hybrids and that CBD Critical Cure ..medium feeding plants that is. Each plant has their own needs so you have to dial it for each one of them. If they are heavier feeders then you have to give them more, but this is how i use BioBizz for medium feeders.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]It's easier to get a smoother smoke and to flush the plants when you don't over feed them to begin with[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Here's a link to the whole post.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7408485&postcount=68 [/FONT]

Feb. 2019 EDIT:
BIOBIZZ HAS APPARENLTLY CHANGED THE N-P-K RATIOS OF THEIR GROW AND BLOOM ...AGAIN ...SO THIS FEED SCHEDULE BELOW WON'T PROBABLY WORK WITH THE NEW VERSION OF THEIR GROW AND BLOOM NUTRIENTS.

But in short; what you want is abit more N in your nutes during first weeks of 12/12 while lower level of N during later bloom before the "flushing" starts; So you go lower with the N level as the blooming progresses and higher with P and K.

New Biobizz NPK levels
Biobizz Grow 3 - 0 - 8
Biobizz Bloom 1 - 2 - 2


On BioBizz feeding schedule:
I don't look into it that much nowadays cause some nute-sensitive plants don't like the full load anyway, so i try to read the plants and how much they can take/need. = Some landrace/sensitive-plants do not like high levels of nutrients and can hermie because of this. But when you grow the same plant with less nutes, you might not see nanners anymore.

For veg plants i give them 2ml of GROW / 1 litre of water and this seems to be ok for most of the plants i have grown.

InBloom:
3 ml of Grow is the most i give them during flowering, at around week 5 (of 11 week total), then i start to give them even less; 1 ml of Grow at last week before the flushing starts. And at this point i give them around 3-4 ml of BLOOM / litre of water

For an 11-week strain (medium nute strength-plant) my feeding is something like:
+ plain water 1-2 times a week


Week 1: Grow 2,5 ml - Bloom 0 ml


Week2: Grow 2.5 ml - Bloom 0.5-1 ml


Week 3: Grow 2.5 ml - Bloom 1- 1.5 ml


Week 4: Grow 2ml - Bloom 1.5 ml


Week 5: Grow 2ml - Bloom 2- 2.5 ml


Week 6: Grow 1.5 -2 ml - Bloom 2.5-3 ml


Week 7: Grow 0.5 -1ml- Bloom 3-4 ml


...Leeching/flushing starts

Hope there isn't too much typos in what i wrote. I start to get quite tired, need my zzzzz's, and it's a long post. I hope it makes sense when you read it.

 

[wutwut]

thanks man there is a lot of information!

actually i understand now why i fail so much. i usually change strains between all every round. i have changed pots from normal plastic to underwater pots to fabric pots and different sizes too. my setup have changed almost everytime because i havent found that optimal for me.

but in this time i should have learned about plants actions and reactions. i must notice difference between under- and overwatering. i should see nitrogen toxiticy or defience. but i dont haha. okay something i know but always i get to new troubles when i grow haha.

# sorry my english - so baked and so tired and eating at the same time ^__^

 

[GoatCheese]

my setup have changed almost everytime because i havent found that optimal for me.

Yea, it's better to stick to one set up till you get things sorted. MAybe try a run or two with 10 liter plastic containers under 400w so you'll get used to a certain situation and find your way around it ..and maybe few smaller plants in say, 3 litre pots.

Back to basics. You'll get it sorted, just don't over think it, nor over do it.