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[mean mr.mustard]

Lol libs pretending to care about Iranian women's liberation yet backs a government that has killed tens of thousands of women since Oct 7 and would kill even more in Iran if they could.

Also posting the same shit the Mossad posts, lol.

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They also bombed babies. Is he not allowed to give a shit about kids, now?

Are you breathing the same air as Mossad?

Dumb libs giving a shit about liberty... where do they get off?!

Great catch there, someone might have given a shit before you got here.

Now everything is fine.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Presumptions seem to continue to be ripe among the 'intellectuals' and faux pacifists in this thread. I had nothing to do with 'right' being banned, if indeed he was. Though I have zero sadness about the ignorant, rude, drunkard prick's absence from here.

But considering his bullshit, I have all sorts of ideas as to why someone might have seen it as necessary or prudent.

I reported whiteberries for being an out and out verbally assaultive jackass (and I strongly suspect others reported that final incident as well), and he was a person who'd been given numerous opportunities to adjust his nonsense, including even being given his own thread to litter. And suddenly I'm prime suspect number one to ask about another jackass' banishment?

Seems the same level of quantum leap assumptions and kneejerk ignorance that often go on in this and other threads permeates the thought processes of the persons expressing such as a matter of general mental function. The facts point that way anyway.

I'd add that the lines in some peoples' sand seem laughable at best, and especially when the person doing the pointing has confronted them directly or made them pout a bit, eh? Pussies and intellectual midgets.

Presumptions include your perceived blame.

I think you misunderstood my post referring to you.

I was expressing my innocence in the Lufthansa heist in dialect.

I was telling anyone to ask you because you would most certainly tell them that I don't know a damn thing about anything.

You sure get full of yourself, huh?

 

[Cannavore]

 

[moose eater]

I use the English language relatively proficiently.

The post said what it did, telling Rob to ask me.

Your ego's need to chronically deflect, deny and pivot... many times over... is noted long ago.

Maybe one day you'll grow a pair.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I'm being as honest as it gets.

You take it from there.

 

[moose eater]

Or perhaps practice communicating more clearly, though that might leave less room for the previously mentioned pivots and deflections.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I'm really sorry, it's entirely my fault.

I will take a communications course at the local community college.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Microbeman]

If lands were taken away that were acknowledged to be a part of a recognized tribe's land where that tribe has sovereign status, and no compensation agreed upon, then that would technically be illegal as a matter of it being 'rights of conquest'.

You make my point; but it is twofold. I'm making no attempt to compare this to the oppression and land theft endured by Palestinians. My statement, which I'm pretty sure you accept, is that some of the 'apologists' posting about Israeli colonists will not accept the fact that they too are colonists and in dominion over an oppressed people.

The second part is that your assertion, that the theft of land was prior to the laws following WW2, is false (unless you are going with the royal proclamation by King George 3 in 1763). In areas mentioned by me in relation to logging, the theft of the land was current at the time. There were no agreements made nor signed (of which I am aware) There was treaty number 8 which did not cover the areas mentioned by me. Theft of land post WW2.

There is no excuse because elders were there to claim the theft was taking place at the time. Most were forcefully removed.

Concerning Haida Gwaii, the entire title to their land has now been returned to them. This after death, subjugation and rape of the forest but it is a sign of what should happen in varying degrees even globally.

 

[moose eater]

You make my point; but it is twofold. I'm making no attempt to compare this to the oppression and land theft endured by Palestinians. My statement, which I'm pretty sure you accept, is that some of the 'apologists' posting about Israeli colonists will not accept the fact that they too are colonists and in dominion over an oppressed people.

The second part is that your assertion, that the theft of land was prior to the laws following WW2, is false (unless you are going with the royal proclamation by King George 3 in 1763). In areas mentioned by me in relation to logging, the theft of the land was current at the time. There were no agreements made nor signed (of which I am aware) There was treaty number 8 which did not cover the areas mentioned by me. Theft of land post WW2.

There is no excuse because elders were there to claim the theft was taking place at the time. Most were forcefully removed.

Concerning Haida Gwaii, the entire title to their land has now been returned to them. This after death, subjugation and rape of the forest but it is a sign of what should happen in varying degrees even globally.

I think the bulk of the stolen land in the US that followed no real prescribed method of transfer occurred pre-1946.

I'm mostly familiar with ANCSA and ANILCA, and had the opportunity to take a number of Alaska Native Law courses in under-grad with a fairly well-known attorney, David Case, who's worked in tandem with NARF at times. Good courses.

The majority of my awareness of land claims and what I'd term as 'tribal transformation' in Canada involves the Yukon Territory, as that is a part of my surrogate family roots, and there are numerous tribal lands there where going to/on those lands, let alone any activities on those lands are either forbidden, or require permission.

I'd sought to be buried in the Carcross Cemetery, but that has been turned over to the Carcross-Tagish Band, and it's locals only now.

The traditional Village of Aishihik once rented a couple of reasonably well maintained cabins to bison hunters, bush travelers, and fisher people; no more, now that flailing resources have become a larger issue, though the elders in the Champagne-Aishihik Band have worked with Conservation Canada for quite some time now, including jointly producing pamphlets and other informational resources trying to educate the sometimes/often less wise younger Band members about some of the destruction brought by their (especially earlier on) excesses where 'subsistence hunting/fishing' was involved.

Meanwhile, in the YT, the various recognized Bands have received significant funding, and have been wedged into the hierarchy of controlling government bodies as a sort of mid-level government layer unto themselves.

Short time frames for what can be radical changes in structures or realities often bring their own complications. Such as are some of the reasons why some Alaska Regional Native Corps have done well, and others floundered shortly after formation, after ANILCA and ANCSA. Not everyone was tuned into playing like Wall St. tycoons early on. Major cultural shifts for some. And while those shifts were different in Alaska versus the YT, they were often similar in abruptness..

 

[RobFromTX]

Presumptions seem to continue to be ripe among the 'intellectuals' and faux pacifists in this thread. I had nothing to do with 'right' being banned, if indeed he was. Though I have zero sadness about the ignorant, rude, drunkard prick's absence from here.

But considering his bullshit, I have all sorts of ideas as to why someone might have seen it as necessary or prudent.

I reported whiteberries for being an out and out verbally assaultive jackass (and I strongly suspect others reported that final incident as well), and he was a person who'd been given numerous opportunities to adjust his nonsense, including even being given his own thread to litter. And suddenly I'm prime suspect number one to ask about another jackass' banishment?

Seems the same level of quantum leap assumptions and kneejerk ignorance that often go on in this and other threads permeates the thought processes of the persons expressing such as a matter of general mental function. The facts point that way anyway.

I'd add that the lines in some peoples' sand seem laughable at best, and especially when the person doing the pointing has confronted them directly or made them pout a bit, eh? Pussies and intellectual midgets.

Aww come on big chief it was a pick and a poke. Haven't you even seen Goodfellas? Yeah the guys obnoxious but that just makes him hilarious and this is a forum for stoners. A little childish name calling shouldn't result in even a temporary ban
And this labeling you're using is way out of place because I'm 6'6
Although I did have a fantasy once about an intellectual midget but things are pretty vague

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Haven't you even seen Goodfellas?

I just heard that general from South Park's voice saying "I don't listen to hip hop" in my head upon seeing your question. .. and laughed so hard the critters woke up.

It's on topic in a war thread... and I have to watch it anyway...

 

[moose eater]

Aww come on big chief it was a pick and a poke. Haven't you even seen Goodfellas? Yeah the guys obnoxious but that just makes him hilarious and this is a forum for stoners. A little childish name calling shouldn't result in even a temporary ban
And this labeling you're using is way out of place because I'm 6'6
Although I did have a fantasy once about an intellectual midget but things are pretty vague

I guess adolescent-minded folks get humor out of things or circumstances that others might not see as so funny. And his bullshit that I witnessed wasn't done in good humor.

I grew out of my 'rude = comical' phase about 42 years ago.

 

[RobFromTX]

I grew out of my 'rude = comical' phase about 42 years ago.

damn sorry to hear that. I'm sure theres some folks on here that find what you say to be rude
and you can be pretty comical sometimes

 

[GenghisKush]

Bibi is in trouble.

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Report: Theft of classified docs, their transfer to ‘people in PMO’ was allegedly ‘systematic’​

Today, 9:04 pm

Investigators probing the theft of classified intelligence documents from the IDF and their transfer to people in the Prime Minister’s Office suspect that the theft of such documents was “systematic,” Channel 12 reports.

It says a document allegedly leaked to Germany’s Bild newspaper, which reported on it in September, “was not the only document” taken and conveyed to “people in Netanyahu’s office.”

“There were apparently other classified documents” that were accessed and conveyed in this way, Channel 12 says.

A spokesman for Netanyahu, Eli Feldstein, was named by a judge yesterday as the central suspect in the case. Netanyahu is not a suspect in the case.

The ongoing investigation, which involves the police, IDF, and Shin Bet, is focused on “grave leaks of classified information from the IDF’s Intelligence Directorate to unauthorized recipients,” the TV report says.

The Shin Bet suspects that an “infrastructure” was put in place that was able to access “all the classified material held by Military Intelligence,” and that “it extracted — and may have intended to continue to extract in the future — classified material that could expose the capabilities of the entire intelligence community” — encompassing the IDF, the Shin Bet, and the Mossad.

The exposure of this material — as happened with the Bild article — while evading military censorship, endangers the lives of IDF soldiers and harms efforts to free the hostages, the TV report says, citing what it says is the assessment in the defense establishment and of the investigators of the case.

This ongoing danger to soldiers and to the efforts to free the hostages “is the heart of the matter,” the report says.

The questions of what the suspects intended to do with the material, who knew what they were doing, and who gave the instructions are also all currently being probed, it says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-theft-of-classified-docs-their-transfer-to-people-in-pmo-was-allegedly-systematic/

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Here's that Bild article, as mangled into English from German by Google translate.

Das plant der Hamas-Chef mit den israelischen Geiseln – zum Schaudern!

Jetzt wird das geheime Kriegspapier des Terror-Bosses Yahya Sinwar enthüllt.

www.bild.de

Horrifying! This is what the Hamas leader is planning with the hostages​

Now the terror boss's secret war paper is revealed​

Yahya Sinwar is the head of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas. He planned the brutal massacre on October 7 (1200 dead, 250 abducted) that triggered the Gaza War
Photo: picture alliance / ZUMAPRESS.com

Paul Ronzheimer & Filipp Piatov

For months, Israel has been negotiating unsuccessfully with the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas about an end to the war. The talks are at a standstill: Hamas refuses to release the Israeli hostages it kidnapped on October 7 - including young women and old people. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (74) does not want to give up control of an important Hamas supply corridor, fearing that the terrorists will become stronger.

Now a previously unknown document from Hamas' military intelligence service shows how the terrorists are manipulating the international community, torturing the hostage families and seeking to rearm. And also that they are just as indifferent to a quick end to the war as they are to the suffering of Palestinian civilians.

▶︎ The document in which Hamas sets out its negotiating strategy was found on a computer that is said to belong to the terrorist leader Yahya Sinwar (61). He is said to have personally approved the content. The letter dates from spring 2024 and is available exclusively to BILD.

Hamas doesn't care about a quick end to the war​

Hamas lists several main factors that must be taken into account in the negotiations. The "capacity of our armed forces" to operate against Israel must be maintained, the Israeli political and military apparatus must be "exhausted" and international pressure on Israel must be "increased".

Hamas is not seeking a quick end to the war that would help the people of Gaza. Quite the opposite: "Important clauses in the agreement should be improved, even if negotiations continue over a longer period of time."

Parts of the Gaza Strip were destroyed in the fighting by Israel's army, and thousands of civilians died. But ending the war is not a priority for Hamas
Photo: OMAR AL-QATTAA/AFP

Although Hamas admits that its “military capacity has been weakened,” it does not consider a quick end to the fighting necessary – despite the plight of its population.

The fact that thousands of Palestinian civilians were killed in the fighting is not mentioned once in the entire document.

psychological terror with hostages​

Particularly perfidious: Hamas is abusing the kidnapped hostages to improve its negotiating position. The document states frankly:

"Continue to exert psychological pressure on the families of the prisoners, both now and during the first phase (of the ceasefire, ed.) , so that public pressure on the enemy government increases."

Hamas frequently releases videos of hostages in which they are forced to beg for their release and criticize their government. After the murder of six Israeli hostages, the terrorists released videos showing the abducted Israelis.

Noa Argamani was also forced to record a video while being held hostage. In the summer, she was freed from the clutches of Hamas by the Israeli military
Photo: RICHARD A. BROOKS/AFP

It is barbaric psychological torture that has only one goal: to make the hostages' families so desperate that they will do ANYTHING to free their loved ones, even if that means turning against their own government.

Even during the ceasefire, the Palestinian Islamists want to use the hostages to put pressure on Israel. "During the negotiations for the second phase (of the ceasefire, ed.), Hamas will allow the Red Cross to visit some of the prisoners as a gesture of goodwill and to convey messages to their relatives."

Apparently the aim is to increase pressure on Israel to extend the ceasefire.

There are fierce protests against the government in Israel: relatives of the hostages and tens of thousands of Israelis are demanding an end to the war in order to save the lives of the remaining hostages
Photo: JACK GUEZ/AFP

Terrorists want to rebuild power​

Hamas also lists important demands on Israel, such as the release of 100 murderers and terrorists serving life sentences in Israel.

Several key points of the document address the question of how to manipulate the international community and advance the reconstruction of Hamas's military power.

Israel's UN Ambassador Danon shows a photo of Carmel Gat being held hostage: She was kidnapped on October 7 and murdered by Hamas in late August. Hamas then released a video recorded shortly before her murder
Photo: David Dee Delgado/REUTERS

There is talk of a "political maneuver": Hamas negotiators should propose that "Arab forces be stationed along the eastern and northern borders" with Israel. But these would only have one purpose: "The Arab forces should serve as a buffer to prevent the enemy from entering Gaza after the war ends until they (Hamas, ed.) have reorganized their ranks and military capabilities."

This means that Hamas wants to prepare for new fighting, with the support of Arab armies.

Israel is to be the scapegoat​

Israel should be held solely responsible for the unsuccessful negotiations. Hamas' message to the media should be that Israel rejected a deal that was brought in by the US. The media must be made aware that Hamas agreed, but that the deal failed because of "Israel's stubbornness". Hamas should not be "held responsible for the failure of an agreement".

Under heavy international pressure, including from Germany: Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Photo: Ohad Zwigenberg/Pool AP/dpa

What is also explosive is what is not in the document: The "Philadelphi Corridor", which has been the subject of negotiations for weeks, is not mentioned. Yet Hamas is currently acting as if it were its highest priority.

The supply corridor separates Gaza from Egypt. Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu wants the army to control it. Hamas does not want to accept this and is demanding a troop withdrawal. The corridor has now become one of the most sensitive points in the negotiations, and the USA, among others, is putting strong pressure on Israel .

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Grow up and get funnier Rob.

Then you can be a cynical cunt and not even know how funny you are.

 

[RobFromTX]

Thats the plan

 

[moose eater]

damn sorry to hear that. I'm sure theres some folks on here that find what you say to be rude
and you can be pretty comical sometimes

Typically speaking, if I get rude with someone, it's often because they've initiated the less-than-sociable encounter and putting assholes in their place is a specialty sometimes.

 

[moose eater]

 

[moose eater]

 

[moose eater]