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moose eater
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Especially for those intent on spreading the US' and Israel's propaganda without even questioning the nonsense even a little bit. Shame! Useful idiots and dull tools.
yes the guy born into a refugee camp was a billionaire. israel told me. israel never lies.
moose eater
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moose eater
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Oh shit, there is propaganda on both sides??
Neither side has a clean conscience.
Neither side has a clean conscience.
GenghisKush
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You guys are adorable.
GenghisKush
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How uncanny, that you foretold the return of Hempy.
I think an "awakening" to be unlikely; human beings (in my experience) don't work like that. I think Max Planck had it right, "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."
I think retreats from knowledge and new understanding can happen suddenly, and might be disingenuously named awakening. But I think enlightenment -better understanding based on newly-discovered truths- happens gradually, one funeral at a time.
This is why I think it is appropriate to continue to preserve our history of understanding in how we talk about languages, eg the Semitic Languages, and why I avoid archaic terms of art in discussing scientific topics such as anthropology or sociology, eg Semitic People.
GenghisKush
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Bibi is in trouble.
Report: Theft of classified docs, their transfer to ‘people in PMO’ was allegedly ‘systematic’
Today, 9:04 pm
Investigators probing the theft of classified intelligence documents from the IDF and their transfer to people in the Prime Minister’s Office suspect that the theft of such documents was “systematic,” Channel 12 reports.
It says a document allegedly leaked to Germany’s Bild newspaper, which reported on it in September, “was not the only document” taken and conveyed to “people in Netanyahu’s office.”
“There were apparently other classified documents” that were accessed and conveyed in this way, Channel 12 says.
A spokesman for Netanyahu, Eli Feldstein, was named by a judge yesterday as the central suspect in the case. Netanyahu is not a suspect in the case.
The ongoing investigation, which involves the police, IDF, and Shin Bet, is focused on “grave leaks of classified information from the IDF’s Intelligence Directorate to unauthorized recipients,” the TV report says.
The Shin Bet suspects that an “infrastructure” was put in place that was able to access “all the classified material held by Military Intelligence,” and that “it extracted — and may have intended to continue to extract in the future — classified material that could expose the capabilities of the entire intelligence community” — encompassing the IDF, the Shin Bet, and the Mossad.
The exposure of this material — as happened with the Bild article — while evading military censorship, endangers the lives of IDF soldiers and harms efforts to free the hostages, the TV report says, citing what it says is the assessment in the defense establishment and of the investigators of the case.
This ongoing danger to soldiers and to the efforts to free the hostages “is the heart of the matter,” the report says.
The questions of what the suspects intended to do with the material, who knew what they were doing, and who gave the instructions are also all currently being probed, it says.
Here's that Bild article, as mangled into English from German by Google translate.
Das plant der Hamas-Chef mit den israelischen Geiseln – zum Schaudern!
Jetzt wird das geheime Kriegspapier des Terror-Bosses Yahya Sinwar enthüllt.www.bild.de
Horrifying! This is what the Hamas leader is planning with the hostages
Now the terror boss's secret war paper is revealed
Yahya Sinwar is the head of the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas. He planned the brutal massacre on October 7 (1200 dead, 250 abducted) that triggered the Gaza War
Photo: picture alliance / ZUMAPRESS.com
Paul Ronzheimer & Filipp Piatov
For months, Israel has been negotiating unsuccessfully with the Palestinian terrorist organization Hamas about an end to the war. The talks are at a standstill: Hamas refuses to release the Israeli hostages it kidnapped on October 7 - including young women and old people. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (74) does not want to give up control of an important Hamas supply corridor, fearing that the terrorists will become stronger.
Now a previously unknown document from Hamas' military intelligence service shows how the terrorists are manipulating the international community, torturing the hostage families and seeking to rearm. And also that they are just as indifferent to a quick end to the war as they are to the suffering of Palestinian civilians.
▶︎ The document in which Hamas sets out its negotiating strategy was found on a computer that is said to belong to the terrorist leader Yahya Sinwar (61). He is said to have personally approved the content. The letter dates from spring 2024 and is available exclusively to BILD.
Hamas doesn't care about a quick end to the war
Hamas lists several main factors that must be taken into account in the negotiations. The "capacity of our armed forces" to operate against Israel must be maintained, the Israeli political and military apparatus must be "exhausted" and international pressure on Israel must be "increased".
Hamas is not seeking a quick end to the war that would help the people of Gaza. Quite the opposite: "Important clauses in the agreement should be improved, even if negotiations continue over a longer period of time."
Parts of the Gaza Strip were destroyed in the fighting by Israel's army, and thousands of civilians died. But ending the war is not a priority for Hamas
Photo: OMAR AL-QATTAA/AFP
Although Hamas admits that its “military capacity has been weakened,” it does not consider a quick end to the fighting necessary – despite the plight of its population.
The fact that thousands of Palestinian civilians were killed in the fighting is not mentioned once in the entire document.
psychological terror with hostages
Particularly perfidious: Hamas is abusing the kidnapped hostages to improve its negotiating position. The document states frankly:
"Continue to exert psychological pressure on the families of the prisoners, both now and during the first phase (of the ceasefire, ed.) , so that public pressure on the enemy government increases."
Hamas frequently releases videos of hostages in which they are forced to beg for their release and criticize their government. After the murder of six Israeli hostages, the terrorists released videos showing the abducted Israelis.
Noa Argamani was also forced to record a video while being held hostage. In the summer, she was freed from the clutches of Hamas by the Israeli military
Photo: RICHARD A. BROOKS/AFP
It is barbaric psychological torture that has only one goal: to make the hostages' families so desperate that they will do ANYTHING to free their loved ones, even if that means turning against their own government.
Even during the ceasefire, the Palestinian Islamists want to use the hostages to put pressure on Israel. "During the negotiations for the second phase (of the ceasefire, ed.), Hamas will allow the Red Cross to visit some of the prisoners as a gesture of goodwill and to convey messages to their relatives."
Apparently the aim is to increase pressure on Israel to extend the ceasefire.
There are fierce protests against the government in Israel: relatives of the hostages and tens of thousands of Israelis are demanding an end to the war in order to save the lives of the remaining hostages
Photo: JACK GUEZ/AFP
Terrorists want to rebuild power
Hamas also lists important demands on Israel, such as the release of 100 murderers and terrorists serving life sentences in Israel.
Several key points of the document address the question of how to manipulate the international community and advance the reconstruction of Hamas's military power.
Israel's UN Ambassador Danon shows a photo of Carmel Gat being held hostage: She was kidnapped on October 7 and murdered by Hamas in late August. Hamas then released a video recorded shortly before her murder
Photo: David Dee Delgado/REUTERS
There is talk of a "political maneuver": Hamas negotiators should propose that "Arab forces be stationed along the eastern and northern borders" with Israel. But these would only have one purpose: "The Arab forces should serve as a buffer to prevent the enemy from entering Gaza after the war ends until they (Hamas, ed.) have reorganized their ranks and military capabilities."
This means that Hamas wants to prepare for new fighting, with the support of Arab armies.
Israel is to be the scapegoat
Israel should be held solely responsible for the unsuccessful negotiations. Hamas' message to the media should be that Israel rejected a deal that was brought in by the US. The media must be made aware that Hamas agreed, but that the deal failed because of "Israel's stubbornness". Hamas should not be "held responsible for the failure of an agreement".
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Under heavy international pressure, including from Germany: Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Photo: Ohad Zwigenberg/Pool AP/dpa
What is also explosive is what is not in the document: The "Philadelphi Corridor", which has been the subject of negotiations for weeks, is not mentioned. Yet Hamas is currently acting as if it were its highest priority.
The supply corridor separates Gaza from Egypt. Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu wants the army to control it. Hamas does not want to accept this and is demanding a troop withdrawal. The corridor has now become one of the most sensitive points in the negotiations, and the USA, among others, is putting strong pressure on Israel .
Netanyahu fires Gallant, says no trust in defense minister at time of war
By Lazar BermanToday, 8:08 pm
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (foreground) and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant hold a press conference at the Defense Ministry in Tel Aviv, December 16, 2023. (Noam Revkin Fenton/Flash90)
Citing a lack of mutual trust, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announces he is firing Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, a longtime rival within the Likud Party.
In a terse letter given to the defense minister and then released by the prime minister’s office, Netanyahu tells Gallant that “your tenure will end 48 hours from the receipt of this letter.”
“I would like to thank you for your service as defense minister,” he concludes.
Gallant will be replaced by Foreign Minister Israel Katz. Minister without Portfolio Gideon Sa’ar will replace Katz as foreign minister.
“Unfortunately, although in the first months of the war there was trust and there was very fruitful work, during the last months this trust cracked between me and the defense minister,” says Netanyahu in a video statement.
He says they disagreed on the management of the war, and charged that Gallant made statements and took actions that contradict cabinet decisions.
Netanyahu also accuses Gallant of indirectly aiding Israel’s enemies: “I made many attempts to bridge these gaps, but they kept getting wider,” he says. “They also came to the knowledge of the public in an unacceptable way, and worse than that, they came to the knowledge of the enemy — our enemies enjoyed it and derived a lot of benefit from it.”
The “crisis of faith” with the defense minister “does not enable the proper continuation of the [military] campaign,” Netanyahu says.
Netanyahu says that most members of the government and cabinet agree with him “that this cannot continue. In light of this, I decided today to end the tenure of the defense minister.”
The decision comes amid stress in Netanyahu’s coalition over the draft of ultra-Orthodox men. Gallant yesterday approved the drafting of 7,000 more Haredim into the IDF.
Gallant has opposed legislation that would largely preserve the exemption of ultra-Orthodox males from military service — legislation demanded by the two ultra-Orthodox parties on whose support Netanyahu’s coalition depends.
It also comes as Americans head to the polls, and US attention is elsewhere.
edit: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...o-trust-with-defense-minister-at-time-of-war/
shiva82
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khazarians are not and never will be seed of shem , nor will they every be israelites . you are actively murdering semites in gaza .
moose eater
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GenghisKush
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moose eater
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GenghisKush
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Gazans have kept people enslaved for hundreds of years, up until about a month ago at least. The specific people who enslave other people, or who choke the life out of their fellows with bare hands because they've exercised basic human rights of association and speech in a way contrary to party ideology, these people are the oppressors and not the oppressed.
Yazidi woman rescued from Gaza after decade in captivity
The woman had been kidnapped from Iraq aged 11 by the Islamic State group and trafficked to Gaza.
www.bbc.com
moose eater
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In Internal Email, LA Times Owner Cites Gaza Among Reasons He Decided Not to Endorse Harris or Trump
In an email sent on November 3, Patrick Soon-Shiong outlined some of the reasons behind his decision that the paper would not endorse a candidate for president this year.
www.dropsitenews.com
moose eater
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Sometimes the wall of unending, well-funded propaganda and nationalism is very thick... like some skulls.
