War

[moose eater]

Another sad but humorous observation of some of the posts in recent time on this page (and likely before, as well) involves the pretense of knowing that if someone has taken an interest in the pro-Palestinian rights stance, that they're not actively addressing other concerns in the US. An odd conclusion clearly based in presumptuousness and unstated but poorly veiled agendas.

In my personal case, I write or phone legislative offices almost daily (I.e. business days more often than not), and engage in other commentary routinely in political venues. Making it quizzical at best as to how or why 'bright people' might assume otherwise? Personal agendas unspoken, and all of that stuff being less hidden than some might believe.

And I believe it was Genghis who, not long ago, addressed the inclusion of Palestinians and Jews as both being Semites as a passe' or archaic classification.

Memory and astute observations are often good things.

 

[moose eater]

 

[mean mr.mustard]

"Obsessed" is the phrase I used.

Myself notwithstanding.

"Semite" itself is rather outdated.

Shem is hardly a common topic.

Palestinians and Israelis are both ready to kill each other.

I find it a little odd that folks here are calling for more death there.

 

[moose eater]

Odd as it might seem to the poorly veiled apologists, some, including myself and US and international laws and treaties, differentiate between the intruder and the intruded upon, the occupier and the occupied, and the knowledge that Castle Doctrine, or the same concept in other terms, is a worldwide law or set of laws that even Israel is subject to, biases not even considered.

And knowing that 'rights of conquest' have been a violation of international law since shortly after WWII, which, to reply in a fairly late manner to earlier uninformed and under-powered efforts toward some form of 'intellectual' provocations that fell flat, is one major legal difference between the stealing of Native American turf, and what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank for the last 76 years.

Though I'm sure some will continue to grope, rarely apologize, if ever, for their affronts, or acknowledge their loose and tangential inaccuracies. That would take functional humility. Some have it, and others not so much.

And the posts, if left unaltered, are there to show what was or wasn't said.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Are you lamenting your inability to acknowledge both sides are committed to continuing conflict?

 

[moose eater]

I lament your inability to shake the 'Holy War' bullshit long enough to see that there's an under-powered and under-represented group that merely wants their homes and farms back, and to stop the 76 years of victimization by a spoiled child of a nation whose ass is repeatedly protected by the opportunistic people in the USA at the UN and elsewhere who are propagandized, and generate or perpetuate that propaganda, and their what-about-isms and willful ignorance regarding these very disparate circumstances.

Your willful shallowness and ignorance is offensive, as is your hollow pretense at intellectualism regarding this topic, no matter what kind of pretentious disingenuous 'balance' you try to mask it in.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

You still think I am an apologist.

Neither side is doing the right thing.

You seem to think that Hamas is doing the right thing.

I disagree.

That does not mean that I think Israel is doing the right thing.

I'm not finding that shallow or disingenuous.

I think you might be blinded by hatred, filled with rage, and right where they want you.

If you ever get it out of your system, you might see two sides of a different coin.

Or, for all I can tell, maybe you just like the rage and hate.

 

[moose eater]

Sorry, I reached my threshold for poorly veiled personal agendas and apologist bullshit, so I can't readily see whatever (likely) poorly founded conjecture, redundant tripe or drivel was posted.

New York Times Says Correspondent's Antisemitism Is None of Its Business

A publication edited by the Times correspondent in Pakistan promoted a dossier of antisemitic and anti-LGBT conspiracies about the U.S. Congress and Imran Khan

www.dropsitenews.com

 

[moose eater]

Nausicaa Renner on Substack

🚨: Israeli Forces Attack Kamal Adwan Hospital, Destroying Medicine Warehouse and WHO Supplies Israeli forces have bombed the third floor of Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern Gaza, injuring four staff members and igniting a fire that burned down a medicine warehouse containing supplies stocked...

substack.com

 

[GenghisKush]

I think this will be Codepink's last moment of anything resembling relevance. If we see Kamala win in a blow-out (which is looking increasingly possible, though not yet likely), how can Codepink expect to ever have any leverage or influence or sway over an elected at any level? Their brand is toxic.

Has there ever been a group of private US citizens who are so completely and utterly in the thrall of foreign states (plural)? The org is ostensibly an anti-war feminist collective. In reality they spend much (perhaps most) of their time and effort caping for Iran's right to enrich uranium. That, or bitterly denying China's alleged genocide of Uhigur people. Or whatever it is they're doing here for to benefit Hamas (on behalf of Iran). Meanwhile, actual feminists in Iran are being disappeared right now for openly defying the monstrously oppressive Islamic Republic that (for example) literally forces women to wear Hijab. Codepink has never, ever, uttered a single word in support of basic rights for Women -or anyone- who live under the Islamic Republic. This despite the fact that just this month Iran executed 166 people. 166. These facts are obediently ignored.

There are shortcomings in every perspective, but I'd wager that the youth today are more prone to researching claims online than their grandparents, for whom tech is a more recent adaptation.

Genghis' propaganda video is one example, as are his claims of collusion between Naziism and Palestinians as though it were pervasive. Dishonest in general.

for reference, here's that video:

I'm honestly astonished you can bring yourself to admit you disagree with Hamas about anything at all.

And I'm relieved to see that you are somewhat less than a complete and total fascist.

Anyways, I'm sure you're right: the normalization stuff is probably bad for Hamas.

Without question there are shortcomings in my perspective. I am merely human and shortcomings are part of the human condition. The video I shared above - which I'd describe as more of a skit than propaganda - surely reflects the shortcomings in my perspective; everything I do reflects this. For over a year I have struggled with how to respond to statements that allege, "you're personally responsible for genocide" with "Yes, and..." This may be the hardest prompt in all of improv, and this guy nailed it.

his claims of collusion between Naziism and Palestinians as though it were pervasive. Dishonest in general

I never did anything to suggest that collusion was pervasive (in fact I used the words "mere plurality" to describe its scope). I do mean to suggest that Nazi-Palestinian collusion - notably its principles and its mechanisms - are foundational and explain, in no small part, the origin of the principal political parties in this conflict, Hamas and Likud. I mean to expand on this in time. For now I point out two facts: 1) much of the language of Amin al-Husseini's Nazi pamphlet Islam und Judentum -composed when living in Berlin in the 1940s- continues to make its way into the speech and the tropes employed by Hamas today, including their founding document; 2) while al-Husseini is the father of militant Palestinian nationalism, he is also the godfather of militant revisionist Zionism, in that he personally instigated the riots which resulted in the founding of Irgun, which eventually morphed into Likud. Hamas and Likud together work toward synthesis of his eliminationist, zero-sum vision of Palestine's future.

Yes, I've researched this a year ago, and it was discussed with him, as well as the holocaust memorial hosted in part by the US State Dept for Muslims killed in concentration camps by the Nazis, which he stated back then he had been unaware of. I suspect you can guess why that 'unawareness' was there.

I will tell you why that unawareness was there: I am a human being. In retrospect, yes it makes absolute sense that Muslims and Arabs were murdered among all of the victims of the Holocaust. Although it is my understanding that they were not murdered because Islam was a religion disfavored by the Nazi party (it was in fact appreciated by Himmler as an excellent religion for soldiers) or because of any Nazi racial theories (al-Husseini was declared an honorary aryan by Hitler's personal physician). Only this week did I encounter a particularly bitter irony in reading about this history.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

At least they said "not one more bomb".

That at least suggests that a Hamas bomb is a bad thing too.

 

[moose eater]

 

[mean mr.mustard]

It sounds like he knows that killing killers is just more killing.

Maybe cooler minds will prevail.

I catch plenty of shit rooting for peace so I doubt many cooler minds are actually in existence.

 

[RobFromTX]

To truly fight fascism.....one must truly embrace fascism

And that's what makes......everyone on this thread......so fascist

 

[dramamine]

You still think I am an apologist.

Neither side is doing the right thing.

Palestinians' right to self-defense is one thing. The moral imperative to protect their children from an exceedingly real possibility of being killed or from a life of misery is another. They are openly labelled and treated like wild animals by Israel.
You keep baselessly saying they only want to kill Israelis, without acknowledging the fact that they need to save themselves.

Your judgements come cheap, because you aren't watching your friends, neighbors and family being exterminated.

 

[Cannavore]

strip them all of their US citizenship and send them to jail if they are guilty of crimes

 

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