War

[mean mr.mustard]

Palestinians' right to self-defense is one thing. The moral imperative to protect their children from an exceedingly real possibility of being killed or from a life of misery is another.

How is killing innocent people protecting children?

How humane is that?

Their lives are in much more danger at this point.

They are openly labelled and treated like wild animals by Israel.

Just like the other side.

You keep baselessly saying they only want to kill Israelis, without acknowledging the fact that they need to save themselves.

It's not baseless.

Killing innocent civilians in not doing anything but killing civilians.

Your judgements come cheap, because you aren't watching your friends, neighbors and family being exterminated.

Perhaps to you my judgment is cheap.

I value friends, neighbors, and family enough to consider that everyone is somebody's friend, neighbor, or family.

I think those who label someone as worthy of death don't consider that death just brings death.

What's the big deal?

Someone got killed, just kill someone else.

It should sort itself out just fine.

 

[moose eater]

Palestinians' right to self-defense is one thing. The moral imperative to protect their children from an exceedingly real possibility of being killed or from a life of misery is another. They are openly labelled and treated like wild animals by Israel.
You keep baselessly saying they only want to kill Israelis, without acknowledging the fact that they need to save themselves.

Your judgements come cheap, because you aren't watching your friends, neighbors and family being exterminated.

The truly hilarious (yet sad and disconcerting) part in the last several posts by the intellectually and spiritually disconnected egotist is to assert that Bassem Youssef is promoting 'killing the killers'. (*I am, but Bassem is not).

Unfortunately, both YouTube and Amanpour labelled him merely a 'comedian', when, in fact, he's a former physician, and one has to stretch pretty hard into a delusional echo chamber to listen to that interview and hear anyone advocating for what was alleged he said.

Such is the nature of ignorance coupled with blind bias invisible to the owner.

A person can gain a great deal of insight by reading posts by those who appear nearly completely unaware of their own bullshit. Quite informative, really.

But I can only take so much of such outrageous horseshit before I return to not reading their redundant, blind, intellectually void, hypocritical, nonsense.

Especially when contrasted to their faux 'pacifism' where Ukraine and Russia are concerned.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

The truly hilarious (yet sad and disconcerting) part in the last several posts by the intellectually and spiritually disconnected egotist is to assert that Bassem Youssef is promoting 'killing the killers'. (*I am, but Bassem is not).

Unfortunately, both YouTube and Amanpour labelled him merely a 'comedian', when, in fact, he's a former physician, and one has to stretch pretty hard into a delusional echo chamber to listen to that interview and hear anyone advocating for what was alleged he said.

Such is the nature of ignorance coupled with blind bias invisible to the owner.

A person can gain a great deal of insight by reading posts by those who appear nearly completely unaware of their own bullshit. Quite informative, really.

But I can only take so much of such outrageous horseshit before I return to not reading their redundant, blind, intellectually void nonsense.

Especially when contrasted to their faux 'pacifism' where Ukraine and Russia are concerned.

I pointed out that he sees killing is not fixing a thing.

Talk about being unaware of their own bullshit, you just babbled to make a point but didn't realize that you are not only capable, but guilty of misunderstanding.

 

[dramamine]

How is killing innocent people protecting children?

How humane is that?

Their lives are in much more danger at this point.



Just like the other side.



It's not baseless.

Killing innocent civilians in not doing anything but killing civilians.



Perhaps to you my judgment is cheap.

I value friends, neighbors, and family enough to consider that everyone is somebody's friend, neighbor, or family.

I think those who label someone as worthy of death don't consider that death just brings death.

What's the big deal?

Someone got killed, just kill someone else.

It should sort itself out just fine.

The concept of self-defense is real and valid. If you agree, then you have to explain how Palestinians aren't engaged in exactly that. For you to cling to the idea that they are simply bloodthirsty and out to kill Israelis is disingenuous. At best.

Have you come to terms with the fact that released Israeli hostages say they were treated with dignity and respect by Hamas? Do you just not believe it? Do you just choose which facts you want to believe?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

The concept of self-defense is real and valid. If you agree, then you have to explain how Palestinians aren't engaged in exactly that. For you to cling to the idea that they are simply bloodthirsty and out to kill Israelis is disingenuous. At best.

You can easily find video of Palestinians calling for death just as you can Israelis.

I didn't say it was simple.

Have you come to terms with the fact that released Israeli hostages say they were treated with dignity and respect by Hamas? Do you just not believe it? Do you just choose which facts you want to believe?

I would think that dignity and respect went out the window with the kidnapping and slaughter of friends and family.

Do I believe that mercy and humanity exist?

Yes.

There's a lot of people who think they know who should receive it and who should not.

 

[dramamine]

I pointed out that he sees killing is not fixing a thing.

You're saying that, if someone is coming at you with intent to kill you and those you know and care about, it is morally wrong to take them out? Just to be clear.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Just to be clear, am I supposed to be taking out their family and those they care about?

 

[Cannavore]

 

[moose eater]

 

[moose eater]

Abu Ghraib Torture Trial Against Virginia-Based Defense Contractor Begins Again

Against the odds, three Iraqi men could bring CACI to justice for the government contractor’s alleged role in Abu Ghraib abuses.

theintercept.com

 

[GenghisKush]

And I believe it was Genghis who, not long ago, addressed the inclusion of Palestinians and Jews as both being Semites as a passe' or archaic classification.

Yes, I said something like that.

I think it is totally valid for one to refer to Arabic and Hebrew together as Semitic Languages, because that categorization reflects a particular shared story that is common to both languages.

The racial categorization of Semitic Peoples is also based on that particular shared story; it suggests Arabs and Jews are both descended from the biblical figure Shem. Whether Shem is a person who existed is unclear, perhaps doubtful. Nevertheless, as words commonly used in factual discussions of history, semite, semitic, and antisemitism are flawed because they appear to lend credibility to Bible stories and are not founded in our best understanding of natural philosophy or history. Additionally, race isn't real and the impulse to preserve racist ideas tied to language and its expression is gross.

 

[Microbeman]

And knowing that 'rights of conquest' have been a violation of international law since shortly after WWII, which, to reply in a fairly late manner to earlier uninformed and under-powered efforts toward some form of 'intellectual' provocations that fell flat, is one major legal difference between the stealing of Native American turf, and what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank for the last 76 years.

Is it the 76 years which provides this big distinction?

In my lifetime, I have witnessed many government backed thefts of 'Indian' 'turf' for enormous logging operations - Haida Gwaii - Vancouver Island - Kettle and Similkameen watershed - Alaska - Washington - Oregon.

In my lifetime I have witnessed the use of arms of military and police to enforce these thefts. Wounded Knee, Kanesatake, Standing Rock and many smaller skirmishes which are back page news.

In my lifetime, I have witnessed government backed theft of land throughout the northern reaches of North America for mining operations and related pipelines & roads.

In my lifetime, I have witnessed the systematic undermining of the North American 'Indian' spirit through laws passed limiting freedoms to join into the supposed free capitalist activities of agriculture and business and through intimated violence to just remain on your rez.

In my lifetime, I have personally witnessed systematic government wholesale theft of 'Indian' children to place them in boarding schools or 'nice proper homes' where the language and customs which preserved North America for thousands of years can be continued to be undone. This, all facilitated by the false writing of history propaganda.

I am not yet 76.

 

[armedoldhippy]

The racial categorization of Semitic Peoples is also based on that particular shared story; it suggests Arabs and Jews are both descended from the biblical figure Shem

DNA testing has shown that the Israelis & Palestinians are more closely related genetically to each other than to any other population in the mideast. it is an ancient family fight, over land. ask any street cop, a "domestic disturbance" is the most dangerous part of their job...

 

[RobFromTX]

Well good grief it looks like right got canceled too.
You guys are taking out members faster than jimmy burke after the lufthansa heist

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I don't know nuthin' bout nuthin', youse just ask moose...

 

[Microbeman]

Additionally, race isn't real and the impulse to preserve racist ideas tied to language and its expression is gross.

Language is more a carrier of historic ancestry. Some good, some bad actions come forth from it. The ancestral religious actions are pure bullshit, as we can even observe in American politics.

Thank you for raising the plight of Iranian women. The Iranians (Persians) have historically been highly motivated to education and knowledge. It is a disgrace that the many peoples of the world are reduced to this religious subjugation and grovelling. I hope Hempy was correct in that there will be a great awakening, albeit, different from his proselytizing.

 

[Cannavore]

I think this will be Codepink's last moment of anything resembling relevance. If we see Kamala win in a blow-out (which is looking increasingly possible, though not yet likely), how can Codepink expect to ever have any leverage or influence or sway over an elected at any level? Their brand is toxic.

Has there ever been a group of private US citizens who are so completely and utterly in the thrall of foreign states (plural)? The org is ostensibly an anti-war feminist collective. In reality they spend much (perhaps most) of their time and effort caping for Iran's right to enrich uranium. That, or bitterly denying China's alleged genocide of Uhigur people. Or whatever it is they're doing here for to benefit Hamas (on behalf of Iran). Meanwhile, actual feminists in Iran are being disappeared right now for openly defying the monstrously oppressive Islamic Republic that (for example) literally forces women to wear Hijab. Codepink has never, ever, uttered a single word in support of basic rights for Women -or anyone- who live under the Islamic Republic. This despite the fact that just this month Iran executed 166 people. 166. These facts are obediently ignored.






for reference, here's that video:


Without question there are shortcomings in my perspective. I am merely human and shortcomings are part of the human condition. The video I shared above - which I'd describe as more of a skit than propaganda - surely reflects the shortcomings in my perspective; everything I do reflects this. For over a year I have struggled with how to respond to statements that allege, "you're personally responsible for genocide" with "Yes, and..." This may be the hardest prompt in all of improv, and this guy nailed it.


I never did anything to suggest that collusion was pervasive (in fact I used the words "mere plurality" to describe its scope). I do mean to suggest that Nazi-Palestinian collusion - notably its principles and its mechanisms - are foundational and explain, in no small part, the origin of the principal political parties in this conflict, Hamas and Likud. I mean to expand on this in time. For now I point out two facts: 1) much of the language of Amin al-Husseini's Nazi pamphlet Islam und Judentum -composed when living in Berlin in the 1940s- continues to make its way into the speech and the tropes employed by Hamas today, including their founding document; 2) while al-Husseini is the father of militant Palestinian nationalism, he is also the godfather of militant revisionist Zionism, in that he personally instigated the riots which resulted in the founding of Irgun, which eventually morphed into Likud. Hamas and Likud together work toward synthesis of his eliminationist, zero-sum vision of Palestine's future.


I will tell you why that unawareness was there: I am a human being. In retrospect, yes it makes absolute sense that Muslims and Arabs were murdered among all of the victims of the Holocaust. Although it is my understanding that they were not murdered because Islam was a religion disfavored by the Nazi party (it was in fact appreciated by Himmler as an excellent religion for soldiers) or because of any Nazi racial theories (al-Husseini was declared an honorary aryan by Hitler's personal physician). Only this week did I encounter a particularly bitter irony in reading about this history. View attachment 19094302

Lol libs pretending to care about Iranian women's liberation yet backs a government that has killed tens of thousands of women since Oct 7 and would kill even more in Iran if they could.

Also posting the same shit the Mossad posts, lol.

 

[moose eater]

Is it the 76 years which provides this big distinction?

In my lifetime, I have witnessed many government backed thefts of 'Indian' 'turf' for enormous logging operations - Haida Gwaii - Vancouver Island - Kettle and Similkameen watershed - Alaska - Washington - Oregon.

In my lifetime I have witnessed the use of arms of military and police to enforce these thefts. Wounded Knee, Kanesatake, Standing Rock and many smaller skirmishes which are back page news.

In my lifetime, I have witnessed government backed theft of land throughout the northern reaches of North America for mining operations and related pipelines & roads.

In my lifetime, I have witnessed the systematic undermining of the North American 'Indian' spirit through laws passed limiting freedoms to join into the supposed free capitalist activities of agriculture and business and through intimated violence to just remain on your rez.

In my lifetime, I have personally witnessed systematic government wholesale theft of 'Indian' children to place them in boarding schools or 'nice proper homes' where the language and customs which preserved North America for thousands of years can be continued to be undone. This, all facilitated by the false writing of history propaganda.

I am not yet 76.

It is a distinction in the law.

If the law didn't exist at time X, then anything that might've violated that law up until the law existed was not technically illegal.

That has nothing to do with immoral or unethical, but strictly the definition of illegal.

If lands were taken away that were acknowledged to be a part of a recognized tribe's land where that tribe has sovereign status, and no compensation agreed upon, then that would technically be illegal as a matter of it being 'rights of conquest'.

In places of eminent domain, notwithstanding the Cherokee v Georgia implications in the US, if there's not a matter of sovereignty, then it becomes grayer.

If you look at ANCSA and ANILCA before the routing of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, that land was a matter of 'agreements' related to the land involved in the Alaska Native Claims Act. Though it's interesting from a cynical point of view that all of this land shuffling and creation of Native corporations wasn't as much of an issue until they wanted to put through a massive pipeline.

Since then, there've been numerous legal challenges involving whether or not Alaska Native bands retained some of their otherwise inherent 'tribal rights' since changing their status as corporations. Many of those have been decided in favor of the Alaska First Nations/Native People.

AHTNA, ( https://www.ahtna.com/ ) as one primary example, has been closing off unpermitted access to many of their lands and have private security/police patrolling and citing trespassers. Much of that land often involves hunting or fishing access, or even recreational lands in general. And many in the mainstream cultures don't understand that the Native Corps OWN this land and can regulate access just like any other landowner can.

That's a glaring point of racism that continues in this State. And one wherein I've repeatedly addressed the Bubbas, asking them, since they often have nice front yards, if I can bring my buddies to their lawns for a campfire and keg party without their permission.

Federal seizures of Native Land brings up another issue altogether, since Cherokee v. Georgia, in theory, left the Feds as the only entity that could involve themselves with the Bands, though, as I wrote before in anecdote, my deceased father was a deputy sheriff and simultaneously a probation officer in a small town in Wisconsin that also patrolled part of a Menominee Indian rez, and they were definitely white cops from a predominantly white and notably racist town where State roads/highways passed through the rez, just as they do in the Dakotas..

Our first dog was given to him/us ('Skipper') by an American Indian Menominee fellow he was jailing for probation violations when I was tiny. Notably, he likely treated that fellow better than he did my mother or me and my siblings.

 

[moose eater]

Presumptions seem to continue to be ripe among the 'intellectuals' and faux pacifists in this thread. I had nothing to do with 'right' being banned, if indeed he was. Though I have zero sadness about the ignorant, rude, drunkard prick's absence from here.

But considering his bullshit, I have all sorts of ideas as to why someone might have seen it as necessary or prudent.

I reported whiteberries for being an out and out verbally assaultive jackass (and I strongly suspect others reported that final incident as well), and he was a person who'd been given numerous opportunities to adjust his nonsense, including even being given his own thread to litter. And suddenly I'm prime suspect number one to ask about another jackass' banishment?

Seems the same level of quantum leap assumptions and kneejerk ignorance that often go on in this and other threads permeates the thought processes of the persons expressing such as a matter of general mental function. The facts point that way anyway.

I'd add that the lines in some peoples' sand seem laughable at best, and especially when the person doing the pointing has confronted them directly or made them pout a bit, eh? Pussies and intellectual midgets.

 

[moose eater]

DNA testing has shown that the Israelis & Palestinians are more closely related genetically to each other than to any other population in the mideast. it is an ancient family fight, over land. ask any street cop, a "domestic disturbance" is the most dangerous part of their job...

Ron Zimmin (spelling?), private pilot and all-around good guy with a proper head on his shoulders, former combat USMC, survived 'Nam, and one night in Naknek or South Naknek, as a Village Public Safety Officer, unarmed as they often were, attended to a drunken DV, got everybody sitting down and agreeing to peace, then turned and walked out the front door to go back to his vehicle. The husband in the couple came out behind him and placed a .30-06 round into Ron's back. He was a more-than-good man. That was the latter half of the 1980s if I recall correctly.

On the other hand, LOADS of cops have DV problems (and heavy drinking problems, as well) in their own lives. My father sure as hell did. And back then they were regarded by other cops as 'private family matters'. Part of that 'THICK Blue Line' shit. Nothing 'thin' about it.