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[mean mr.mustard]

I also somewhat skeptically questioned fossil fuels as a carrot in the creation of Israel. But I also wasn't there, either.

Are governments and bureaucrats capable of such sleight of hand? Sure. Does that prove it was a part of the goal? Not yet for me.

Not nearly as much suspicion as the Bible at that early point, from where I am sitting.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

As were the Sons of Liberty, the Viet Cong, and many more who find themselves out-gunned and out-funded.

Che Guevara...

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Numerous interviews indicate Hamas did not act the same way. Including statements from hostages, especially female hostages, who reported having been treated with respect while captive.

They didn't kill innocent people or execute hostages.

I hear that they celebrated at grand feasts.

They definitely don't want to harm one hair on a head.

 

[moose eater]

Not nearly as much suspicion as the Bible at that early point, from where I am sitting.

I suspect the international agenda was more inclusive than mere religious dogma in placing the Jewish State where they did. But I'm not sure at this point that oil was at the top of the totem, or bottom, to be more accurate.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

As were the Sons of Liberty, the Viet Cong, and many more who find themselves out-gunned and out-funded.

The Continental Army...

 

[moose eater]

They didn't kill innocent people or execute hostages.

I hear that they celebrated at grand feasts.

They definitely don't want to harm one hair on a head.

I posted a number of videos on a previous page. You can find what I wrote about in them.

You remember Attica, no?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I posted a number of videos on a previous page. You can find what I wrote about in them.

You remember Attica, no?

You live in the USA, right?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I suspect the international agenda was more inclusive than mere religious dogma in placing the Jewish State where they did. But I'm not sure at this point that oil was at the top of the totem, or bottom, to be more accurate.

The generation was very religious.

 

[moose eater]

I posted a number of videos on a previous page. You can find what I wrote about in them.

You remember Attica, no?

I think Scott Ritter's interview is a good starting point.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

You live in the USA, right?

I have seen enough to understand.

 

[moose eater]

The generation was very religious.

I believe there was strategic planning involved in choosing a place to relocate post-war Jews, and many 'good upstanding countries' (sarcasm) had made it clear they didn't want them.

 

[dramamine]

I also somewhat skeptically questioned fossil fuels as a carrot in the creation of Israel. But I also wasn't there, either.

Are governments and bureaucrats capable of such sleight of hand? Sure. Does that prove it was a part of the goal? Not yet for me.

I hear you. I think there were probably multiple reasons for Israel's creation (manifest destiny for Jews, empire building for the US) and that each party involved had their own intentions. Oil, though, is certainly the driver of all modern civilization and control of it is the seat of power. So keeping oil priced in $ is job one for the US.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I believe there was strategic planning involved in choosing a place to relocate post-war Jews, and many 'good upstanding countries' (sarcasm) had made it clear they didn't want them.

A bunch of countries have kicked them out.

 

[moose eater]

I hear you. I think there were probably multiple reasons for Israel's creation (manifest destiny for Jews, empire building for the US) and that each party involved had their own intentions. Oil, though, is certainly the driver of all modern civilization and control of it is the seat of power. So keeping oil priced in $ is job one for the US.

Looking at what happened after Hussein kicked BP out of the Ramallah Oil Fields and his reasons for doing so, and then BP walking back in after the US pulled down Saddam's statues, working as contractors no less, for a net profit of about $1.50/barrel gives some very strong indications of what it is you're referring to.

I'm just not yet convinced that it was a driver in 1947 and 1948. Though, as stated, I don't know that.

(*And for years up here, I've referred to BP as 'The Mafia of the Oil Patch")

 

[mean mr.mustard]

The US has a long standing policy of joking about prison rape.

We have no moral high ground.

We are all complicit in treating people with disregard and contempt.

Attica was just humans being terrible humans because they were treated terribly.

Until our entire race can call each other "human" and find respect and responsibility towards ourselves we are not going to get any further.

 

[moose eater]

A bunch of countries have kicked them out.

Yep. It becomes difficult to pretend to be a charitable nation while sweeping the 'undesirables' under the carpet, or, more aptly, out the door.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I hope that wall holds.

 

[moose eater]

The US has a long standing policy of joking about prison rape.

We have no moral high ground.

We are all complicit in treating people with disregard and contempt.

Attica was just humans being terrible humans because they were treated terribly.

Until our entire race can call each other "human" and find respect and responsibility towards ourselves we are not going to get any further.

I was specifically referring to the inmates and guards alike being shot down in the yard when the move to take the prison back went full-on.

By the way, there are more than a few analogies involving Hammas' behavior as being the outcome of prison conditions.

 

[moose eater]

I hope that wall holds.

I'd like to see an end to all 'walls' and imaginary borders, and the only beings restricted from free movement world-wide being governments and their operatives, to include armies.

 

[moose eater]

The US has a long standing policy of joking about prison rape.

We have no moral high ground.

We are all complicit in treating people with disregard and contempt.

Attica was just humans being terrible humans because they were treated terribly.

Until our entire race can call each other "human" and find respect and responsibility towards ourselves we are not going to get any further.

Personally, I see our species as less and less deserving of respect.