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Ukraine doesn't want them there.
When you blow up cities you wear out your welcome.
When you blow up cities you wear out your welcome.
greyfader
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so he is just their mouthpiece? btw, the Wagner group is now headed for Belgorod, Russia to fight the insurgency that is taking place on Russian soil.
the russian's have evacuated most of the area;
Yes, he is just the mouthpiece. Big surprise that the AFU ”russian insurgents” divisions continue to attack the civilian population.
greyfader
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the kremlin is Putler's prison. He has international arrest warrants and can't freely travel the world. He has already lost this war in the minds of his own people. he looks more and more like a failure with each passing day.
the attacks on Belgorod are being conducted by Russians against Putler.
the Ukrainians have forced Russia into a defensive mode just by threatening the counter-offensive.
they are conducting numerous small attacks all along the front lines and this is forcing the Russian army to move troops back and forth to reinforce areas under attack. the moving troops are forced to use known routes and the Ukrainians are targeting the moving troops with long-range systems.
there were several large explosions in Melitopol last night.
the long-range attacks on Russian equipment, manpower, and storage facilities are increasing in frequency.
can you feel it? the whole world is against Russia because of this war. both the Chinese and the Indians have condemned the invasion of Ukraine. China is not Russia's friend. they also want to see a reduced-strength Russian army. the peoples in the far east of Russia are very sympathetic to China.
as the bodies return home for burial the Russian people are developing an increasing understanding
of what's really happening in Ukraine.
like all dictators, putler has tried to silence all media with negative views of the war. but the floodgates of information are open and he can't control the flow.
the flow of information from outside Russia will slowly but surely undermine Putler's stranglehold on the Russian people.
in the modern internet age, you can't stop the truth from spreading like a virus inside Russia.
a regime change is just a matter of time now. not if, but when, is the question.
the attacks on Belgorod are being conducted by Russians against Putler.
the Ukrainians have forced Russia into a defensive mode just by threatening the counter-offensive.
they are conducting numerous small attacks all along the front lines and this is forcing the Russian army to move troops back and forth to reinforce areas under attack. the moving troops are forced to use known routes and the Ukrainians are targeting the moving troops with long-range systems.
there were several large explosions in Melitopol last night.
the long-range attacks on Russian equipment, manpower, and storage facilities are increasing in frequency.
can you feel it? the whole world is against Russia because of this war. both the Chinese and the Indians have condemned the invasion of Ukraine. China is not Russia's friend. they also want to see a reduced-strength Russian army. the peoples in the far east of Russia are very sympathetic to China.
as the bodies return home for burial the Russian people are developing an increasing understanding
of what's really happening in Ukraine.
like all dictators, putler has tried to silence all media with negative views of the war. but the floodgates of information are open and he can't control the flow.
the flow of information from outside Russia will slowly but surely undermine Putler's stranglehold on the Russian people.
in the modern internet age, you can't stop the truth from spreading like a virus inside Russia.
a regime change is just a matter of time now. not if, but when, is the question.
You mean "To hell with former agreements, Russia can do as they please."
They aren't. They can't. They won't.
It's been made very clear.
If Ukraine wanted to be Russia then the war wouldn't have happened. Three days has turned into more than a year.
It's looking like evidence favors the theory that Ukraine doesn't want Russia anywhere near their business.
Funny you would say that considering the polish mercenaries who took part in Belgorod incursion are posting videos of themselves, the same of course go for neo nazis from around Europe who are posting pictures of themselves with swastikas painted on nato equipment. To quote your great leader: c’mon, man…
As for the so called counter-offensive well, we have been hearing about this supposed offensive since february and as they say: talk is cheap.
Chinese will not even answer the phone when americans call dude.
As for ”the whole world is against Russia”, the world majority is now looking to join BRICS and ditch the american dollar.
Wishful thinking of a deluded western mind. Did you know that Russia is forming two new military districts and two new armies, one of these districts will be located right on Finlands border?
The production of equipment and training of personell is almost complete. They have announced also the return to active attack principle and their new structure will be purposed for deep breakthrough operations. Fuck around and find out.
Exactly what is happening to Putin at the moment.
The Russians found out about the Finns a long time ago.
yeah, even though Finland ceded about 9% of the country, Russia lost nearly 126,000 killed vs nearly 26,000 for the Finns. the way things are headed, Finland might consider taking all of that back...the Russian bear looks more and more like Winnie the Pooh...
Corpselover Fat
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I guess he is the middle man Putin needed to distance Wagner from himself. Dmitry Utkin had been Prigozin's chief of security prior to founding Wagner.
Utkin probably had no money to setup a mercenary army, but had the right kind of mentality. Prigozin had experience handling Kremlin money, but no military experience. Putin had money, but couldn't set up a merc army himself.
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Corpselover Fat
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This is from Prigozin's wiki article. It's quite long and freely available on wiki, so I'll put it in spoilers. Quite interesting anyway.
November 1979, 18-year-old Prigozhin was caught stealing and given a suspended sentence. Two years later, in 1981, he was again caught stealing, and sentenced to twelve years imprisonment for robbery, fraud, and involving teenagers in crime.[26] He and several accomplices were convicted of robbing apartments in upscale neighborhoods. He was pardoned in 1988, and was released in 1990.[25] In total, he spent nine years in detention.[7]
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After his release from prison in 1990, Prigozhin began selling hot dogs alongside his mother and stepfather in the Aprashaka flea market of Leningrad.[19] Soon, according to a New York Times interview with him, "the rubles were piling up faster than his mother could count them."[27] After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Prigozhin followed the entrepreneurial spirit of the times and founded or became involved in many new businesses.
From 1991 to 1997, Prigozhin was heavily involved in the grocery store business. He became 15% stakeholder and manager of Contrast, which was the first grocery store chain in Saint Petersburg and founded by his former classmate Boris Spektor.
Around the same time, Prigozhin became involved in the gambling business. Spektor and Igor Gorbenko brought Prigozhin on as CEO of Spectrum CJSC (Russian: ЗАО «Спектр»), which founded the first casinos in Saint Petersburg.[28][29] This trio went on to found many other businesses together throughout the 1990s across various industries, including construction, marketing research, and foreign trade. The Novaya Gazeta notes that this may be when Prigozhin met Vladimir Putin for the first time, as Putin was chairman of the supervisory board for casinos and gambling since 1991.[6]
In 1995, Prigozhin entered the restaurant business. When revenues of his other businesses began to fall, Prigozhin persuaded a director at Contrast, Kiril Ziminov, to open a restaurant with him. They opened Prigozhin's first restaurant: Old Customs House (Russian: Старая Таможня) in Saint Petersburg. In 1997, they founded a second restaurant, New Island, a floating restaurant that became one of the most fashionable dining spots in the city. Inspired by waterfront restaurants on the Seine in Paris, Prigozhin and Ziminov created the restaurant by spending US$400,000 to remodel a rusting boat on the Vyatka River.[19][27] He said his patrons "wanted to see something new in their lives and were tired of just eating cutlets with vodka." In 2001, Prigozhin personally served food to Vladimir Putin and French president Jacques Chirac when they dined at New Island. He hosted US President George W. Bush in 2002. In 2003, Putin celebrated his birthday at New Island.[27]
Over the course of the 2000s, Prigozhin grew closer with Vladimir Putin. By 2003, he left his business partners and established his own independent restaurants. Notably, one of Prigozhin's companies, Concord Catering, began winning numerous government contracts. He received hundreds of millions in government contracts for feeding school children and government workers.[40][20] In 2012, he received a contract to supply meals to the Russian military worth US$1.2 billion over one year. Some of the profits from this contract are alleged to have been used to start and fund the Internet Research Agency.[41]
On 11 December 2018, a company claimed to be unaffiliated with Concord Catering called Msk LLC (Russian: ООО "Мск") was paid 2.5 million rubles for an annual "Heroes of the Fatherland Day" banquet held at the Kremlin. However, Msk LLC shares the same contact phone number with Concord. On 11 December 2019, the company received another 4.1 million rubles for another banquet.[42]
In 2012, he moved his family into a Saint Petersburg compound with a basketball court and a helicopter pad. By this point he owned a private jet and a 115-foot yacht.[40] Prigozhin has been linked to several aircraft since, including two Cessna 182s as well as Embraer Legacy 600, British Aerospace 125 and Hawker 800XP jets.[43]
The Anti-Corruption Foundation has accused Prigozhin of corrupt business practices. In 2017, they estimated his illegal wealth to be worth more than one billion rubles.[44] Alexei Navalny alleged that Prigozhin was linked to a company called Moskovsky Shkolnik (Moscow schoolboy) that had supplied poor quality food to Moscow schools, which had caused a 2019 dysentery outbreak.[45][46]
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Prigozhin is the self-reported founder of the controversial Kremlin-affiliated private military contractor Wagner Group. On 26 September 2022, Prigozhin stated that he founded the Wagner Group specifically to support Russian forces in the war in Donbas, in May 2014.[10][11][12] Since then, their activities have expanded to cover many regions in Africa and the Middle East.
Even before his confirmation, there was already relative consensus amongst Russian and foreign media that Prigozhin was either the founder of or strongly linked to Wagner. The group was publicly led by Dmitry Utkin, who was once head of security for Prigozhin. A person by the name of Dmitry Utkin was also listed as director general of Prigozhin's Concord Management. In February 2018 Concord and Prigozhin denied any connection to Wagner.[4] In November 2016 the company confirmed to Russian media that the same Dmitry Utkin leading the Wagner Group was now in charge of Prigozhin's food businesses.
[...]
After his release from prison in 1990, Prigozhin began selling hot dogs alongside his mother and stepfather in the Aprashaka flea market of Leningrad.[19] Soon, according to a New York Times interview with him, "the rubles were piling up faster than his mother could count them."[27] After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Prigozhin followed the entrepreneurial spirit of the times and founded or became involved in many new businesses.
From 1991 to 1997, Prigozhin was heavily involved in the grocery store business. He became 15% stakeholder and manager of Contrast, which was the first grocery store chain in Saint Petersburg and founded by his former classmate Boris Spektor.
Around the same time, Prigozhin became involved in the gambling business. Spektor and Igor Gorbenko brought Prigozhin on as CEO of Spectrum CJSC (Russian: ЗАО «Спектр»), which founded the first casinos in Saint Petersburg.[28][29] This trio went on to found many other businesses together throughout the 1990s across various industries, including construction, marketing research, and foreign trade. The Novaya Gazeta notes that this may be when Prigozhin met Vladimir Putin for the first time, as Putin was chairman of the supervisory board for casinos and gambling since 1991.[6]
In 1995, Prigozhin entered the restaurant business. When revenues of his other businesses began to fall, Prigozhin persuaded a director at Contrast, Kiril Ziminov, to open a restaurant with him. They opened Prigozhin's first restaurant: Old Customs House (Russian: Старая Таможня) in Saint Petersburg. In 1997, they founded a second restaurant, New Island, a floating restaurant that became one of the most fashionable dining spots in the city. Inspired by waterfront restaurants on the Seine in Paris, Prigozhin and Ziminov created the restaurant by spending US$400,000 to remodel a rusting boat on the Vyatka River.[19][27] He said his patrons "wanted to see something new in their lives and were tired of just eating cutlets with vodka." In 2001, Prigozhin personally served food to Vladimir Putin and French president Jacques Chirac when they dined at New Island. He hosted US President George W. Bush in 2002. In 2003, Putin celebrated his birthday at New Island.[27]
Over the course of the 2000s, Prigozhin grew closer with Vladimir Putin. By 2003, he left his business partners and established his own independent restaurants. Notably, one of Prigozhin's companies, Concord Catering, began winning numerous government contracts. He received hundreds of millions in government contracts for feeding school children and government workers.[40][20] In 2012, he received a contract to supply meals to the Russian military worth US$1.2 billion over one year. Some of the profits from this contract are alleged to have been used to start and fund the Internet Research Agency.[41]
On 11 December 2018, a company claimed to be unaffiliated with Concord Catering called Msk LLC (Russian: ООО "Мск") was paid 2.5 million rubles for an annual "Heroes of the Fatherland Day" banquet held at the Kremlin. However, Msk LLC shares the same contact phone number with Concord. On 11 December 2019, the company received another 4.1 million rubles for another banquet.[42]
In 2012, he moved his family into a Saint Petersburg compound with a basketball court and a helicopter pad. By this point he owned a private jet and a 115-foot yacht.[40] Prigozhin has been linked to several aircraft since, including two Cessna 182s as well as Embraer Legacy 600, British Aerospace 125 and Hawker 800XP jets.[43]
The Anti-Corruption Foundation has accused Prigozhin of corrupt business practices. In 2017, they estimated his illegal wealth to be worth more than one billion rubles.[44] Alexei Navalny alleged that Prigozhin was linked to a company called Moskovsky Shkolnik (Moscow schoolboy) that had supplied poor quality food to Moscow schools, which had caused a 2019 dysentery outbreak.[45][46]
[...]
Prigozhin is the self-reported founder of the controversial Kremlin-affiliated private military contractor Wagner Group. On 26 September 2022, Prigozhin stated that he founded the Wagner Group specifically to support Russian forces in the war in Donbas, in May 2014.[10][11][12] Since then, their activities have expanded to cover many regions in Africa and the Middle East.
Even before his confirmation, there was already relative consensus amongst Russian and foreign media that Prigozhin was either the founder of or strongly linked to Wagner. The group was publicly led by Dmitry Utkin, who was once head of security for Prigozhin. A person by the name of Dmitry Utkin was also listed as director general of Prigozhin's Concord Management. In February 2018 Concord and Prigozhin denied any connection to Wagner.[4] In November 2016 the company confirmed to Russian media that the same Dmitry Utkin leading the Wagner Group was now in charge of Prigozhin's food businesses.
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shiva82
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yes, a long time before the nato coup
long time has passed and much has changed since the days you hint of
Three Berries
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