You asked if I had any reason to believe that Joe Biden was not legitimate. I answered you that this is what I hear, it was not a fair election and he is illegitimate.
How is this not answering your question?
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How is this not answering your question?
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So why did you not just say yes when I asked you if that was your answer?
You are saying that hearsay is the reason why you don't consider President Biden legitimate.
That's actually answering the question!
Thanks for burning up bandwidth and time we can't get back...
And answering the question.
Corpselover Fat
Active member
"Of course, you can conduct a debate, answer obvious questions to subscribers (for example, about the fact that the guys do not have chevrons . - Why? Yes, after the training ground they were sent directly to the front line, and they had no time to buy "Zetok" in military stores).
But personally, I don’t even have such questions, because such a case is not a single error or a failure in the system, but rather a good example of the operation of this system.
There are a lot of such “Storms” and more egregious cases of incompetence of a single command, and for many people such truth “stings their eyes”. Therefore, there is no other answer than that "it's all fake, TsPSO, etc." - they do not find.
And I personally saw such cases, and, there will be time and opportunity - I will write about them in more detail, but today I will tell you about one thing.
Many write that these "Storms" are "ZEKs", but this is not so, these are Russian mobilized. But, the fact that the Ministry of Defense is now recruiting soldiers from the "special contingent", i.e. simply prisoners - not a secret to anyone. I had little experience in supplying and helping to train such a company of former prisoners.
I think it’s necessary to start with a simple one - for a whole company (over 100 people), a couple of days before the front line, they “forgot” to give out sapper shovels for digging trenches. For reference, a shovel on the front line may be more important than a machine gun, because not everyone will enter into a shooting battle, but every infantryman must dig in from enemy artillery. The issue had to be quickly resolved through volunteers and caring relatives of soldiers from this company.
For some people, the filling of the first-aid kit or the first-aid kits themselves were completely absent (we partially solved this problem by giving PPIshki and turnstiles, which we brought in large quantities from St. Petersburg along with one of the cargoes).
Many soldiers had machine guns unsuitable for combat, i.e. broken completely (for example, with a mechanically damaged barrel, entirely or a front sight) and when it came to the command that Ivanov or Petrov’s machine gun was unsuitable for combat and it needed to be replaced, they said that this was by no means possible: the machine gun was already assigned to a person and the harsh army bureaucracy was nothing can't do anything about it.
What an infantryman should do on the front line without a first aid kit, a sapper shovel and with a broken machine gun is also a big mystery!
Well, they wrote about snipers with mosquitoes of the 43rd year without me, what kind of "counters" of Lobaev can we talk about, even if they cannot provide SVD snipers.
And this whole list of terrible, disregard for the supply of one company, I can continue for a long time, because. together with other supplies and volunteers solved this problem.
I think it is clear what attitude such a command will have towards people on the front line, and the moment when they will be thrown into another "meat assault" is only a matter of time."
But personally, I don’t even have such questions, because such a case is not a single error or a failure in the system, but rather a good example of the operation of this system.
There are a lot of such “Storms” and more egregious cases of incompetence of a single command, and for many people such truth “stings their eyes”. Therefore, there is no other answer than that "it's all fake, TsPSO, etc." - they do not find.
And I personally saw such cases, and, there will be time and opportunity - I will write about them in more detail, but today I will tell you about one thing.
Many write that these "Storms" are "ZEKs", but this is not so, these are Russian mobilized. But, the fact that the Ministry of Defense is now recruiting soldiers from the "special contingent", i.e. simply prisoners - not a secret to anyone. I had little experience in supplying and helping to train such a company of former prisoners.
I think it’s necessary to start with a simple one - for a whole company (over 100 people), a couple of days before the front line, they “forgot” to give out sapper shovels for digging trenches. For reference, a shovel on the front line may be more important than a machine gun, because not everyone will enter into a shooting battle, but every infantryman must dig in from enemy artillery. The issue had to be quickly resolved through volunteers and caring relatives of soldiers from this company.
For some people, the filling of the first-aid kit or the first-aid kits themselves were completely absent (we partially solved this problem by giving PPIshki and turnstiles, which we brought in large quantities from St. Petersburg along with one of the cargoes).
Many soldiers had machine guns unsuitable for combat, i.e. broken completely (for example, with a mechanically damaged barrel, entirely or a front sight) and when it came to the command that Ivanov or Petrov’s machine gun was unsuitable for combat and it needed to be replaced, they said that this was by no means possible: the machine gun was already assigned to a person and the harsh army bureaucracy was nothing can't do anything about it.
What an infantryman should do on the front line without a first aid kit, a sapper shovel and with a broken machine gun is also a big mystery!
Well, they wrote about snipers with mosquitoes of the 43rd year without me, what kind of "counters" of Lobaev can we talk about, even if they cannot provide SVD snipers.
And this whole list of terrible, disregard for the supply of one company, I can continue for a long time, because. together with other supplies and volunteers solved this problem.
I think it is clear what attitude such a command will have towards people on the front line, and the moment when they will be thrown into another "meat assault" is only a matter of time."
Hearsay, right, as in I hear people say that in America the dead went out of their graves to vote for Joe Biden. Americans are not in a position to lecture anyone. Here is your taxpayer dollars at work.
LOL, it´s always funny how predictable you are. I saw the fake video today and was sure, that you are posting it.
As in hearsay is not evidence.
Do you think that the dead don't vote conservatively?
It seems like you don't look at things from both sides.
“The video is fake. Our [guys] are clumsily practicing. In carrying out such information operations, our [guys] still have to learn and learn,” wrote the pro-war channel Notes of a Veteran, one of the first to begin circulating the clip.
By Tuesday afternoon, Russia’s Foreign Ministry had quietly deleted the video from its Twitter feed
ghost of Kyiv or something...
lol
Three Berries
Active member
The Globalsit/Deep State view point from the top! Well almost at least the public spokesman.....
https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/07/only-one-view-prevails-in-russia-that-of-madness-and-destruction-view
Only one view prevails in Russia - that of madness and destruction
By Alexander Soros
As Russian forces advanced on the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, Russia’s Supreme Court finally terminated the existence of Memorial, Russia’s oldest and best-known human rights group.
The timing was a grim reminder of what is now in jeopardy as a result of Putin’s criminal aggression against Ukraine, and how much is at stake.
For even amid the brutal military attack, Ukraine still has what Russia under Putin has lost: independent media, independent judges, human rights groups, anti-corruption activists, and others who strive to make ensure the system work for everyone, even the weakest. We call that civil society. It is the essence of a robust and vibrant democracy. For Putin, it is anathema.
The Open Society Foundations have been supporting civil society across Eastern Europe and Eurasia, and around the world, for three decades. That included opening a foundation in Ukraine in 1990, the International Renaissance Foundation; the projects it has supported have included everything from ending corruption in the awarding of university degrees to supporting reforms of the public health system and developing a system of accessible legal aid.
We used to work in Russia too, supporting legal reforms, fighting against the spread of HIV/Aids, and even paying the salaries for a while of former Soviet scientists. But that was all before Putin shut everything all down. Scared by popular unrest that overturned strong-man allies in Georgia, in Yugoslavia, and in Ukraine too, Putin decided that independent civil society was a threat to his consolidation of power. He will do the same again if he prevails in Ukraine.
So what should we, as a philanthropic fund, do?
With hundreds of thousands of people streaming out of Ukraine, and millions of civilians in harm's way, the demands for humanitarian assistance are huge, and a massive humanitarian assistance operation is moving ahead.
But supporting Ukraine’s hopes for an independent, democratic future and more broadly challenging Vladimir Putin’s assault on liberal, democratic government across Eastern Europe and Central Asia involves more than a humanitarian response. It calls for a redoubling of support for the idea of an open society, and for the myriad voices and groups who stand up for human dignity and accountable government in Kazakhstan, in Hungary, in Poland, in Moldova, in Kyrgyzstan, in Armenia all voices that can be mobilised now in solidarity with Ukraine. All voices that Vladimir Putin wants to silence.
That is why we have launched the Ukraine Democracy Fund with a $25 million (€23 million) commitment to support not only Ukraine’s now beleaguered civil society groups but also those across the region. And it is why we are inviting other private funders, including philanthropists and the private sector, to contribute. We hope the fund will eventually total over $100 million (€91 million). Russia itself provides the example of what is at stake.
The closure of Memorial was just part of the silencing of independent voices as Putin gradually expanded his power which included the murder of some of the bravest individuals such as human rights activists Natalia Estemirova and Stanislav Markelov, both killed in 2009, the journalist Anna Politkovskaya, shot dead in 2006, and opposition leader Boris Nemtsov in 2015. Today, the country’s leading opposition figure, Alexei Navalny, is serving a two-and-a-half-year sentence in a penal colony, having barely survived an attempt to poison him in 2020 with the nerve agent Novichok.
So, now in Russia, there is no organised opposition to Putin’s war. No mass protests. No critical debate on TV channels entirely controlled by Putin and his cronies. In a closed society, one view prevails – even if it is the voice of madness and destruction.
Today we cannot foresee the outcome in Ukraine, and the future fills many of us with deep foreboding, as we recall the Nazi seizure of Czechoslovakia in 1938.
But while the military struggle continues, Open Society and our partners will continue to support our Ukraine foundation and all the groups they work with, and other independent voices across the region. We will push back against the silence.
Eventually, the guns will fall silent. When they do, whatever the outcome, we know where we will stand: with those who understand that the survival of humanity, and our ability to overcome the existential challenges we face, demands not the dog-eat-dog savagery of a Vladimir Putin, but a tolerant, democratic open society.
Alexander Soros is deputy chair of the Open Society Foundations.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/07/only-one-view-prevails-in-russia-that-of-madness-and-destruction-view
Only one view prevails in Russia - that of madness and destruction
By Alexander Soros
As Russian forces advanced on the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, Russia’s Supreme Court finally terminated the existence of Memorial, Russia’s oldest and best-known human rights group.
The timing was a grim reminder of what is now in jeopardy as a result of Putin’s criminal aggression against Ukraine, and how much is at stake.
For even amid the brutal military attack, Ukraine still has what Russia under Putin has lost: independent media, independent judges, human rights groups, anti-corruption activists, and others who strive to make ensure the system work for everyone, even the weakest. We call that civil society. It is the essence of a robust and vibrant democracy. For Putin, it is anathema.
The Open Society Foundations have been supporting civil society across Eastern Europe and Eurasia, and around the world, for three decades. That included opening a foundation in Ukraine in 1990, the International Renaissance Foundation; the projects it has supported have included everything from ending corruption in the awarding of university degrees to supporting reforms of the public health system and developing a system of accessible legal aid.
We used to work in Russia too, supporting legal reforms, fighting against the spread of HIV/Aids, and even paying the salaries for a while of former Soviet scientists. But that was all before Putin shut everything all down. Scared by popular unrest that overturned strong-man allies in Georgia, in Yugoslavia, and in Ukraine too, Putin decided that independent civil society was a threat to his consolidation of power. He will do the same again if he prevails in Ukraine.
So what should we, as a philanthropic fund, do?
With hundreds of thousands of people streaming out of Ukraine, and millions of civilians in harm's way, the demands for humanitarian assistance are huge, and a massive humanitarian assistance operation is moving ahead.
But supporting Ukraine’s hopes for an independent, democratic future and more broadly challenging Vladimir Putin’s assault on liberal, democratic government across Eastern Europe and Central Asia involves more than a humanitarian response. It calls for a redoubling of support for the idea of an open society, and for the myriad voices and groups who stand up for human dignity and accountable government in Kazakhstan, in Hungary, in Poland, in Moldova, in Kyrgyzstan, in Armenia all voices that can be mobilised now in solidarity with Ukraine. All voices that Vladimir Putin wants to silence.
That is why we have launched the Ukraine Democracy Fund with a $25 million (€23 million) commitment to support not only Ukraine’s now beleaguered civil society groups but also those across the region. And it is why we are inviting other private funders, including philanthropists and the private sector, to contribute. We hope the fund will eventually total over $100 million (€91 million). Russia itself provides the example of what is at stake.
The closure of Memorial was just part of the silencing of independent voices as Putin gradually expanded his power which included the murder of some of the bravest individuals such as human rights activists Natalia Estemirova and Stanislav Markelov, both killed in 2009, the journalist Anna Politkovskaya, shot dead in 2006, and opposition leader Boris Nemtsov in 2015. Today, the country’s leading opposition figure, Alexei Navalny, is serving a two-and-a-half-year sentence in a penal colony, having barely survived an attempt to poison him in 2020 with the nerve agent Novichok.
So, now in Russia, there is no organised opposition to Putin’s war. No mass protests. No critical debate on TV channels entirely controlled by Putin and his cronies. In a closed society, one view prevails – even if it is the voice of madness and destruction.
Today we cannot foresee the outcome in Ukraine, and the future fills many of us with deep foreboding, as we recall the Nazi seizure of Czechoslovakia in 1938.
But while the military struggle continues, Open Society and our partners will continue to support our Ukraine foundation and all the groups they work with, and other independent voices across the region. We will push back against the silence.
Eventually, the guns will fall silent. When they do, whatever the outcome, we know where we will stand: with those who understand that the survival of humanity, and our ability to overcome the existential challenges we face, demands not the dog-eat-dog savagery of a Vladimir Putin, but a tolerant, democratic open society.
Alexander Soros is deputy chair of the Open Society Foundations.
I heared the accusation, no evidence was given to support.
”We’re just practicing”, the Nazi propagandist said while confirming that not only do they paint their vehicles up like WWII Nazi mobiles but that they actually train their personell to behave in such ways.
Corpselover Fat
Active member
Oh Russian propagandists didn't share the evidence. How surprising.
For me it was clear, that the video is fake, as I saw the german "Balkenkreuz" on the car of the russians. To easy to be true. Later in the evening I saw, that they found out that the video was made, close to the city of Makijiwka east of Donezk, which is under russian controll since 2014.
Russia is a paper tiger and the propaganda is often so stupid and naive, that I am wondering who shall believe it?
Russia is a paper tiger and the propaganda is often so stupid and naive, that I am wondering who shall believe it?
You did not ask for evidence, you asked for any reason to believe.
how fake can you get?
You make a strong case for "Alternative facts". 44 seconds of "any reason to believe" below.
”Too easy to be true” is hardly an argument let alone proof of fact, plenty videos around of ukranians showing their love for the cross and similar german WWII artefacts that they gladly put on display.
And now is a campaign of whitewashing going on, from ”it was just an exercise” to ”Putin did it” by these Nazis and their sympathizers.
greyfader
Well-known member
this last video originates on a twitter account. again with no known source. no photographer, journalist, or news agency shown at all.
not even in russian media.
it's just more bullshit.
i find it interesting that the pro-russian entities on this thread can't show verified images.
and they just keep going after the nazi stuff as an excuse for this war.
just crap from twitter accounts.
greyfader
Well-known member
Iron Cross - Wikipedia
the iron cross has been a symbol of both the prussian and german armies since 1813, before and after the nazi's. it does not specifically allude to nazi's. it is a religious symbol also used by the nazi's in ww2.
but it is not considered to be a nazi symbol by germans today.
