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Microbeman

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Which fighter aircraft can the European Union deliver to Ukraine?.

While Russian President Vladimir Putin put his strategic deterrence forces on alert, the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, announced yesterday, February 27, new sanctions against Russia and Belarus, implicated in the Russian offensive against Ukraine.

The Russian media Russia Today and Sputnik will be banned in the European Union [EU]. They "will no longer be able to spread their lies to justify Putin's war and sow division in our Union." Therefore, we are developing tools to ban their toxic and harmful disinformation in Europe," von der Leyen said.

In addition, the former German defense minister also proposed that the 27 member states close their airspace to "Russian-owned, Russian-registered or Russian-controlled aircraft." Later, in an interview with Euronews, Von der Leyen said she wanted Ukraine to join the EU. "They are one of us," he said.

As a reminder, the decision by the Ukrainian government, then in power in 2013, not to sign an association agreement with the EU in favor of a rapprochement with Russia was the starting point of a protest movement that brought down President Viktor Yanukovych. A month after his ouster, Russia annexed Crimea....

But the most important announcement Von der Leyen made was that the EU would buy and deliver arms and other military equipment to Ukraine. "This is the first time in its history that the EU is taking such an initiative for a country under attack," he said.

The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Josep Borrell, explained that the EU will propose to its member states to use an emergency funding line of 450 million euros to "provide Ukrainian forces with lethal weapons, as well as fuel, protective equipment and medical supplies." This will put an end to the "EU taboo of not supplying weapons to belligerents," he said.

Better still, Borrell also explained that Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba had said he "needed planes that Ukrainians could fly." He added: "Some member states have such aircraft and we will provide them with other weaponry needed for a war."

The choice of suitable fighter aircraft is limited to one or two types. No EU member state has a Su-27 Flanker in service in its air forces, leaving only the MiG-29 Fulcrum, which is in service in Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia. These three countries have initiated processes to replace them with F-35A and F-16V. It remains to be seen whether Germany has kept some of them [some were given to the Polish air force], but restoring them to flying status would take time.

If these three countries agree to give up their MiG-29s, NATO will certainly have to make up the shortfall in their capabilities....

Another type of fighter could be of interest to Ukraine: the Su-25 "Frogfoot", whose mission is ground attack. Within the European Union, only Bulgaria has one. And even then, in limited quantities, with only 8 aircraft available out of about 20 that were still in service in the early 2010s.

A last hypothesis would be for Croatia and Romania to hand over their MiG-21s to Ukraine. But this seems unlikely: the Ukrainian air forces have not flown them for a long time... and these aircraft are too old to be effective against Russian fighters.

Perfect timing for Germany (& rest of Europe) to hit Moscow. Take Russia, have done with it, take all the fuel; To the victor go the spoils ~ Donald J Trump
 

chilliwilli

Waterboy
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The whole thing about the ghost of kiev is fake is because of that video that clearly stated its made with digital combat simulator.
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
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Were they too busy picking up their delivery of a fully loaded TOS-1 thermobaric weapon?


That komrade, is why you don't wait for Xi's olympics to finish before you invade. Mud is hell.

I am waiting for the first S-400 shootdown.
 

Storm Shadow

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I love how the Media is acting all sorry for Ukraine and never mention places like Yemen that have been bombed into the stone age... I guess if you dont speak Yiddish... you less than Human...

Herman... good to know you support ISIS buddy.... nothing like Head Chopping Organ stealing Islamic Warriors for the win ... Sorry Vladimir went Zangief spinning piledriver on your friends
 

audiohi

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That komrade, is why you don't wait for Xi's olympics to finish before you invade. Mud is hell.

I am waiting for the first S-400 shootdown.

Last time he invaded Ukraine, he went in 3 weeks later than this invasion. March 18, 2014

It must be global warming.
 

Hempy McNoodle

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https://www.icmag.com/forum/talk-ab...2-the-great-awakening?p=18086780#post18086780

"Those labs were installed by the Trump administration according to what many are saying and tweets gone viral. It has been uncovered that these were initiated as part of a joint venture between Trump and Putin in an effort to undermine China. Putin is trying to erase all evidence in fear of reprisals from Xi."

This is incorrect. These labs go back to around 2005 (George W Bush era).
 

ButterflyEffect

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Because what’s happening is the reaction of what the US has already done. Thanks for the help. Lol.

Let's see if I have this right...

The US caused this(though no one really knows how) means we shouldn't help anyone for anything ever.

Is that how it works?
 

ButterflyEffect

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I love how the Media is acting all sorry for Ukraine and never mention places like Yemen that have been bombed into the stone age... I guess if you dont speak Yiddish... you less than Human...

Herman... good to know you support ISIS buddy.... nothing like Head Chopping Organ stealing Islamic Warriors for the win ... Sorry Vladimir went Zangief spinning piledriver on your friends

Helping them is still better than not regardless of the wrong actions of the past.

It's unfortunate to see such an all or nothing, it either fixes the problem completely or it's garbage, approach to thinking these days. Perfect is the enemy of good, and all that.
 

audiohi

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Denazifying.

I'll spare everyone the pictures of the charred bodies.

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mexcurandero420

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That komrade, is why you don't wait for Xi's olympics to finish before you invade. Mud is hell.

I am waiting for the first S-400 shootdown.

Don't forget the EMPs.Just read that Turkey shutsdown the Bosporus for Russian ships.Turkey can say goodbye to 21th century.
 

'Boogieman'

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"A clear majority of Americans think Vladimir Putin would not have ordered the Russian invasion of Ukraine had Donald Trump still been in the White House, according to a new poll."
Putin moved on Ukraine because The Chump was not there to help him by neutering NATO & give him a free hand. pretty simple to understand, in spite of your twisting & turning in denial. seems as though Putin understands that The Chump won't be there to aid him in the future either...👍 Putins actions have succeeded in bringing about the very thing he feared most, damn near every country in the world providing unified opposition in spite of his threats. 😃

Im not twisting or turning anything, just reporting what the latest polls have to say. According to the polls 62% of Americans believe Putin wouldn't have attacked Ukraine had Trump still been president. Trump just wanted Nato to pay their fair share.
 

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