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audiohi

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Russia isn't trying to get bigger.

They're trying to expel the CIA / NATO from near the borders, and to maintain their access to the Black Sea.

It was pretty funny when everyone from putin on down all said...

Yea, Sweden and Finland can join NATO. We have no problem with that.

lol.
 

armedoldhippy

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Russia isn't trying to get bigger.

They're trying to expel the CIA / NATO from near the borders, and to maintain their access to the Black Sea.
if they can't get rid of the nazis in Ukraine, let us in on just how they are going to "expel" NATO ? it is not up to Russia to "approve" of other nations defenses against them. ludicrous...they had access to the Black Sea BEFORE they "annexed" the Crimean Peninsula.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
It was pretty funny when everyone from putin on down all said...

Yea, Sweden and Finland can join NATO. We have no problem with that.

lol.

There are territorial and historical background for how nations make these decisions.

For example the US does Israel's bidding and interferes mightily with Iran's nuclear science, but mostly ignores North Korea's development and possession of nuclear weapons.

In general Russia has very little problem with Arctic access. So an Arctic country like Finland belonging to NATO could be less of a problem - or perhaps it is Finland-Russia history.

You would need to be a fly on the wall of the Russian government meetings to understand the motivations that are involved.
 

armedoldhippy

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US does Israel's bidding
more bullshit. do you own your own cattle? nobody here but Stempy has such an excess available to them... we are not interfering with Irans attempts to build a nuke. if we were, Iran would be a series of huge holes with few survivors. we HAVE hit them with financial/technical sanctions to slow their progress on that and for other reasons. i think it's pretty obvious why Russia pulls shit like this...they USED to be allowed to get away with it because their intended victims could not fight back. now, they can...
 

Ca++

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This concerns me
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How do the Ukraine hold this, when the only access is over the red bridge. Beside which is Odesa where a couple of drone hit today. Just around we have them on the coast around from the Crimea. 12 war ships now and a few subs. One is a landing craft. The Ukraine is in danger of having no ports.
 

nono_fr

Active member
An article of the guardian explains why Russia have no choice .

It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union. Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU.
 

mexcurandero420

See the world through a puff of smoke
Veteran
It's not bullshit.
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This is why the western countries are so fond of on Ukraine, the gas and oil fields.Industry still needs it.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
Retired Military are often the Wisest about the true nature of the US military.

I think Tulsi Gabbard has that Wisdom.

You would think the Democrats would LOVE a 40 year old woman with a military background.

They could have had Tulsi, instead they went with the Senile Biden.

Tulsi & Cynthia McKinney in 2024 - for that I would register to vote.
 

Hempy McNoodle

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Bernie is there to fool voters into thinking that the Democrat Party "still has some decent folks" in its ranks and gives false hope that these 'decent folks' will ascend the ranks of the party. Bernie will never be allowed to ascend to a point where he will have meaningful sway and that is how he likes it (because he is a pretender - a Deep State shill to the endless war machine).
 

Absolem

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The Ukraine situation is pretty easy to figure out.

Do we want the gas and oil in Ukraine controlled by Russia or Europe.

It's an easy answer. Europe of course. Not sure why anyone here would think Putin/Russia controlling those natural resources would be better for us or Europe.

Cheering for Putin is like cheering for a girl to kick you in the dick.
 
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Hempy McNoodle

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The Ukraine situation is pretty easy to figure out.

Do we want the gas and oil in Ukraine controlled by Russia or Europe.

It's an easy answer. Europe of course. Not sure why anyone here would think Putin/Russia controlling those natural resources would be better for us or Europe.

Cheering for Putin is like cheering for a girl to kick you in the dick.
Then why has Germany been Russia's customer, rather than buying direct from Ukraine?
 

Hempy McNoodle

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You buy from who controls it silly. Don't bite the hand to feed ya until the supply is large enough to make the change.

Was that really that hard to figure out?
So, the west is going to risk 'life on earth' for a little Russian oil (which they would never be able to win or take)? Is that what you think? Is that what you support?
 

Absolem

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So, the west is going to risk 'life on earth' for a little Russian oil (which they would never be able to win or take)? Is that what you think? Is that what you support?

Have no clue what you support anything other then Trump worship. Turbo posting takes away from any thoughts you do post. And those thoughts are rare.
 
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