War

[Petrochemical]

lol

I really was naive to any of the political underpinnings that Washington had going on right but I think if you watch the question that the journalist asked him he's just basically saying I don't want to give you an answer what have you but I think that just I thought the gist of what he was saying when it came to mainstream media because at least locally here I found out from somebody that works at one of these local TV stations they buy the stories they put on our television programs it's not like everything that happens they pick and choose and buy the stories they want to put out I don't work there myself so I don't know if that's the absolute truth but I'm more willing to believe that they're filling Us full of s*** than I am to believe that everything that's on there is truth

 

[Petrochemical]

Long before... By then they had already invaded and annexed half of the original Mexico, and they were already sick of touring the Caribbean...

Not too far from people with a cross going to certain areas and claiming that it was theirs because it was for the church and their Queen.

 

[Three Berries]

What the fuck is the hold-up?

You can down load it if you want. Otherwise ask the FBI. But this is to be drawn out into the summer, the climax will be before the election.

 

[Three Berries]

Long before... By then they had already invaded and annexed half of the original Mexico, and they were already sick of touring the Caribbean...

The US rampaged Central America and the Caribbean for the likes of Dole and Chiquita.

 

[Petrochemical]

Why yessss yess they did.......
JJust watched that documentary on roku

 

[Brother Nature]

The US rampaged Central America and the Caribbean for the likes of Dole and Chiquita.

Che and Fidel would be proud of your acknowledgment of this...

 

[Three Berries]

Che and Fidel would be proud of your acknowledgment of this...

Long before those commies. Teddy Roosevelt times.

 

[Brother Nature]

Yes... I'm well aware of the history of American Imperialism. Was more of a tongue in cheek comment as it's funny to me how you're painted into a (red) corner by most of the members here, yet you bring up a lot of valid criticism of the US government that could be taken as quite liberally progressive. That is if those who claimed to be liberally progressive actually were and still questioned the motives and actions of their government.

 

[HempKat]

Ukraine is a Banker war, all wars are banker wars. They fund both sides an invest in arms.

Well if ALL wars are Banker Wars then declaring them banker wars is irrelevant. Whether Bankers are involved doesn't matter, war is war. Just because bankers or the military industrial complex finds ways to make money off of wars does not mean that they started the war. They maybe have lobbied for actions to be taken that they felt would lead to war but wars themselves happen as a decision by the Executive or Legislative Branches of Government. Not some board room full of bankers.

 

[HempKat]

So do you think the us should use nukes if Russia does? And if we do where do we stop?

I already answered this question. It's not a matter of should we it's a matter of will we. The current state of Nuclear deterrence is such that if anyone launches a large scale nuclear attack (multiple ICBM's) then there are multiple countries that will likely launch a return strike on whoever launched first. That's why you get the kind of games Putin plays of trying to push government's to the edge of what they can tolerate and or threatening to use nukes if the West make any moves he deems too aggressive. If he does launch nukes he'll use those aggressive moves as his justification but that won't stop the multiple return strikes and the end result will be the end of mankind. So it's not a matter of where do we stop. Whoever launches that first strike will trigger the end of the world (not counting the handful of elites that have to remain in hardened bunkers for hundreds of years waiting for the radiation levels to return to a safe level.

You can debate right or wrong until your blue in the face but the end result will be the same and the person most in the wrong will be the one who starts it.

 

[HempKat]

There is only one good answer to should the US use nukes no matter the reason and that is no. Don't let the cure be worse than the disease.

When all you read is US MSM propaganda your world vison is very short sighted and that is playing out right now.

You assume you are right because it's what you see from 'official' sources of the USA. I can tell you there is a whole other side to what you are talking about. The Media is the ally of Political Control and the Enemy of the People.

The USA is the cause of the problems in Ukraine not Russia. It's a big cover for the US and Bidan's corruption. No doubt Bidan's views on our insolvent are to keep his secrets quiet.

But it's all on Hunters Laptop. And it's coming out.

Yeah well if all of this is true why is it taking so long? I mean Giuliani had Hunter's laptop hard drive for more then a year before the 2020 election, if what you claim is true (which it isn't) Trump would have forced that into the news and Biden never would have won and Trump wouldn't have had to try his obviously bogus election fraud schemes or all the stop the steal bs that resulted from it.

You assume my only source of information is the US MSM and it isn't but that's the kind of faulty logic you come up with when your only source of information is some anonymous person telling you only he knows the real deal of what's going on in the world.

 

[HempKat]

I really was naive to any of the political underpinnings that Washington had going on right but I think if you watch the question that the journalist asked him he's just basically saying I don't want to give you an answer what have you but I think that just I thought the gist of what he was saying when it came to mainstream media because at least locally here I found out from somebody that works at one of these local TV stations they buy the stories they put on our television programs it's not like everything that happens they pick and choose and buy the stories they want to put out I don't work there myself so I don't know if that's the absolute truth but I'm more willing to believe that they're filling Us full of s*** than I am to believe that everything that's on there is truth

Which is why, at best you only use MSM stories to decide what you need to investigate further on your own from multiple and more reliable sources.

 

[HempKat]

You can down load it if you want. Otherwise ask the FBI. But this is to be drawn out into the summer, the climax will be before the election.

The fact that they're waiting until just prior to the election is a huge red flag that it's bogus. If you have proof of the types of corruption you are claiming that causes wars you don't just sit on it until you can score political points. You bring it out right away, if it's true and verifiable it will cause the same damage as it would at the end of the Summer. The only reason to wait until just before the election is to inject a lot of confusion with the hopes that people will just believe it. Unfortunately for Trump and the Republicans following him, their track record is so bad now that the only people that will just believe it will be those people not inclined to vote for the Democrats anyway.

 

[h.h.]

Yes... I'm well aware of the history of American Imperialism. Was more of a tongue in cheek comment as it's funny to me how you're painted into a (red) corner by most of the members here, yet you bring up a lot of valid criticism of the US government that could be taken as quite liberally progressive. That is if those who claimed to be liberally progressive actually were and still questioned the motives and actions of their government.

I question the word of the non educated professing expertise after watching a YouTube. Using history to excuse Putin’s destruction. I do question the government. I question everything else just the same. I’m supposed to forgo my government because of what some anonymous poster lays out as a guilt trip. Progression is not destruction . It’s taking what is and moving it forward. Liberal and conservative alike as well as any layman can point out a governments faults. That’s where the expertise ends.

 

[VerdantGreen]

Fact-checking Russian claims about Bucha killings
"But in satellite imagery taken of Bucha on 19 March - almost two weeks before Russian troops withdrew from the area - bodies can be seen on the roadside."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60981238

 

[Montuno]

Not too far from people with a cross going to certain areas and claiming that it was theirs because it was for the church and their Queen.

Sounds me very familiar... This could have been the first Spanish invasions of Caribbean territories ...
But between the arrival of the Spaniards in the Caribbean in 1492, and the beginning of the 20th century of US domination... there is an interval of 400 years of human ethical and moral development...
I mean, that, for example, between the half millennium (500 years now) that separates the Conquest of Tenochtitlan...

This is not new, nor was it invented yesterday, far from it, by the way..

...with the criminal (war crime ) tortures and
and murders in the 21st century by USA army...

Yeah, I remember the new...









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Soldiers were ordered to use dogs against prisoners in Iraq.
Military intelligence gave the go-ahead.

JOSH WHITESCOTT HIGHAM
Washington - 12 JUN 2004-02:15 CEST

...I don't know... I don't know... And even more taking into account that the practices of the 15th and 16th century were forbidden by the Crown, and both Columbus and Cortes were judged for it at the time. Which seems just the opposite of the other case, some 500 years (half a millennium) later, where the tortures were authorized and suggested.
But come on, apart from everything, I say that in half a millennium, 500 years, there is time to learn from past crimes and to evolve morally and ethically...

And I leave you with a nice pictures for those of you who did not expect the Spanish Inquisition. Go on without expecting it, because between the Inquisition and the photo, enough centuries have passed for a galleon (now they call them spaceships and satellites) from the USA to be leaving the Solar System.

So if someone wants to expose war crimes and/or shameful actions of the Spanish Government and/or Army, I advise him to investigate "a bit more contemporary" things, such as the use of gas/chemical weapons in certain episodes of the war against the independence fighters of the Riff province (part of today's Morocco), the betrayal of King Juan Carlos I in leaving the province of Western Sahara in the hands of the regime of the Moroccan king and Mauritany, or the brutal beating that a corporal of the Guardia Civile (police force) and a liutenant, a corporal and two soldiers of the Legion (an elite force of the Army) gave to some Iraqi prisoner:


Five Spanish soldiers prosecuted for torturing prisoners in Iraq

The military judge accuses a CNI captain, three civil guards and a legionnaire



Footage of soldiers beating detainees in Diwaniya in 2004.
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In YouTube:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtrbhn-qkE

MIGUEL GONZALEZ
Madrid-01 OCT 2014 - 05:53 CEST​

In an unprecedented order, five Spanish soldiers have been accused of violating the laws and customs of war . The head of the Territorial Military Court number 12 has prosecuted five members or former members of the Legion for a crime of torture - which the Military Penal Code punishes with 10 to 25 years in prison - committed in 2004 against two prisoners in the detention center of Spain Base, in Iraq. The defendants are a captain, now assigned to the National Intelligence Center (CNI), two corporals (one assigned to the Legion and the other to the Civil Guard) and two civil guards (legionnaires at that time).

According to the indictment, the events took place "on an undetermined date", but between January 22 and February 18, 2004, when a group of soldiers, five of whom have been identified, taking advantage of the rest shift of the night guard, they went to the cell where two Iraqis were detained, "in order to humiliate them" in revenge for the continuous tension derived from the attacks and bombings suffered by the Spanish contingent in Iraq.
The judicial procedure began as a result of the dissemination by EL PAÍS, on March 17, 2013, of a video that showed how several Spanish soldiers viciously beat two detainees. After a year and a half of investigation, and although the faces appeared pixelated in the recording, the judge has been able to determine, thanks to the statements of several witnesses, that the aggressors belonged to the First Section of the Company of the Tercio Alejandro Farnesio de la Legión, based in Ronda (Malaga) .


MORE INFORMATION
The military judge sends a legionnaire to prison for torture in Iraq

Four more legionnaires arrested for torturing prisoners in Iraq

Spain in Iraq: from error to horror

"I acted as jailer in Iraq"

Defense investigates images of mistreatment of detainees in Iraq

The order describes in detail the sequence of the attack, which lasts a total of 25 seconds: after exhorting one of the two detainees to get up, a corporal slaps them; then one of the legionnaires gives them at least 15 successive kicks; after making a move to walk away, he comes back to kick them two more times and comes back one last time to unload another. A second legionnaire gives them a minimum of five kicks; and a third, at least nine. In total, 32 kicks, at least.
"Shows of affliction are heard from the Iraqi detainees, who repeatedly emit deep sounds, exponents of the suffering they are suffering," the order continues. And he adds: “None of those present acted, being able to do so, to prevent the aggressions that they saw that the previous three were carrying out. As neither did any of them show disagreement or resort to a superior, on the contrary, they participated in the humiliation with their supportive presence and their laughter.
If the aggression was recorded, adds the judge, it was not by the will to come to light, "much less to deliver it to the judicial authority, but it would be a video for internal consumption or a memory of mission". Their goal was to "increase the humiliation and objectification of Iraqis." It was that video that, a decade later, ended up making EL PAÍS public .

The judge processes the captain now stationed in the secret service —at the time of the events, a lieutenant in the Legion— because, although he did not participate in the attack, he was the commander of the guard and, as such, responsible for the custody of the prisoners. "His approval was necessary to carry out such a serious performance," he argues, "all the more so since the group [...] seems to act without any fear of being discovered."
On the contrary, he exculpates the legionnaire who recorded the scene, arguing that he received the order to go to the cell without knowing what he was going to do, unlike his companions. In addition, he has shown signs of repentance and has collaborated with justice. He could be accused of not reporting the events on his day, but the judge recalls that several of those involved threatened whoever spoke and that this crime (failure to report) would already have prescribed.
Pact of Silence in the Legion

If it has taken so long to find out what happened in Iraq, it has been because a pact of silence, a kind of omertà, has worked within the Legion. "Everyone in Ronda knew about what happened in Iraq in 2004", but an agreement was reached so that "the video and the people involved would not come to light", one of the legionnaires, who He acknowledged that "a great stir was made in the Ronda Legion" when EL PAÍS released the recording.
The order alludes to "supposed actions by commanders [of the Tercio stationed in that town in Malaga] aimed at pressuring the legionnaire gentleman [who recorded the video] so that he would not testify before the judicial authority", which could entail a crime of obstruction of the Justice. It also echoes a telephone conversation between said legionnaire and his captain in which the former, after giving a statement before the judge, "is perceived to be ashamed and afraid because he considers that he has committed treason by breaking that pact of silence" .
But the most surprising episode occurred on June 28, immediately after the legionnaire who recorded the video had given a statement and before he entered preventive detention for a week.
The secretary of the court recorded "the surprising and unmotivated presentation of a captain of the Legion", alleging that a superior of his had sent him to demand the telephone number of the court-appointed lawyer who assisted the legionnaire who had given a statement. The captain added that "he could not be put in prison [the legionnaire] because more than ten years had passed." Ten years of what? The proceedings were declared secret and no one had said until then that the aggressors in the video were legionnaires.


ABOUT THE SIGNATURE

Miguel Gonzalez

Responsible for information on diplomacy and defense policy, Casa del Rey and Vox in EL PAÍS. He graduated in Journalism from the Autonomous University of Barcelona (UAB) in 1982. He also worked for El Noticiero Universal, La Vanguardia and El Periódico de Cataluña. Expert in learning.


https://elpais.com/politica/2014/09/...outputType=amp

 

[Three Berries]

Well if ALL wars are Banker Wars then declaring them banker wars is irrelevant. Whether Bankers are involved doesn't matter, war is war. Just because bankers or the military industrial complex finds ways to make money off of wars does not mean that they started the war. They maybe have lobbied for actions to be taken that they felt would lead to war but wars themselves happen as a decision by the Executive or Legislative Branches of Government. Not some board room full of bankers.

Do you support war to enrich bankers? Henry Ford was Hitter's biggest financer. Rothschilds banks are the ones who profit from war.

Rah Rah Rah

 

[Three Berries]

I already answered this question. It's not a matter of should we it's a matter of will we. The current state of Nuclear deterrence is such that if anyone launches a large scale nuclear attack (multiple ICBM's) then there are multiple countries that will likely launch a return strike on whoever launched first. That's why you get the kind of games Putin plays of trying to push government's to the edge of what they can tolerate and or threatening to use nukes if the West make any moves he deems too aggressive. If he does launch nukes he'll use those aggressive moves as his justification but that won't stop the multiple return strikes and the end result will be the end of mankind. So it's not a matter of where do we stop. Whoever launches that first strike will trigger the end of the world (not counting the handful of elites that have to remain in hardened bunkers for hundreds of years waiting for the radiation levels to return to a safe level.

You can debate right or wrong until your blue in the face but the end result will be the same and the person most in the wrong will be the one who starts it.

There are no winners in nuclear war. Then new hypersonic missiles will be here before we know they were launched.

 

[Three Berries]

The fact that they're waiting until just prior to the election is a huge red flag that it's bogus. If you have proof of the types of corruption you are claiming that causes wars you don't just sit on it until you can score political points. You bring it out right away, if it's true and verifiable it will cause the same damage as it would at the end of the Summer. The only reason to wait until just before the election is to inject a lot of confusion with the hopes that people will just believe it. Unfortunately for Trump and the Republicans following him, their track record is so bad now that the only people that will just believe it will be those people not inclined to vote for the Democrats anyway.

LOL, It's going to be great.

China
Ukraine
Russia

All are blackmailing Biden, Clinton, Obama

 

[Three Berries]

Yeah well if all of this is true why is it taking so long? I mean Giuliani had Hunter's laptop hard drive for more then a year before the 2020 election, if what you claim is true (which it isn't) Trump would have forced that into the news and Biden never would have won and Trump wouldn't have had to try his obviously bogus election fraud schemes or all the stop the steal bs that resulted from it.

You assume my only source of information is the US MSM and it isn't but that's the kind of faulty logic you come up with when your only source of information is some anonymous person telling you only he knows the real deal of what's going on in the world.

It's being hidden because it will bring down the house. The FB I said they lost it. But it's out and is being picked apart.

Have you heard any of these phrases?

You are Watching a Movie
Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming.