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Three Berries

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Possibly but that won't stop the subs armed with nuclear warheads on permanent classified patrol from launching a retaliatory strike. So yeah, there are no winners in a nuclear war and which is why it's very stupid that Putin is stating there are situations he would be willing to launch a first strike.

Insanity. You embrace it.
 

Three Berries

Active member
No, I've not heard those phrases at least not coming from anyone I would give even a hint of belief to. You seem quite drunk on the kool... I mean sold on the story so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

What's the logic in waiting to being down the house in November if you can do it now? Unless of course you actually can't bring down the house so your best hope is to wait until you can sow enough doubt and suspicion to maybe tip the election in your favor. Like I said already though, the only voters likely to believe any of that crap aren't going to vote Democrat anyway. I mean it's not like Biden, Obama or Hillary will be up for election in November 2022. You're basically hoping that if you can make a popular Democrat or two look bad enough all people likely to vote Democrat will suddenly decide to vote Republican which is thinking so infantile to call it naïve would be a compliment.

It's not the DoJ that will bring down the house. It is We The People and will be done through the media. As this is to be the Summer of the Great Awakening. Enjoy......
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor
It's not the DoJ that will bring down the house. It is We The People and will be done through the media. As this is to be the Summer of the Great Awakening. Enjoy......

Ain't gonna be shit done about these usurpers. The economy has to crash, Americans need to get real hungry, then maybe they will appreciate a fair and free election. The dims will be screaming "build back better' as they solution to the chaos they sped-up, but didn't fully cause. A NWO solution to America's debt problem will be offerred. Putin is saving his people from the same fate, and the liberal NWO doesn't like it.
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
Then New Religion:

Putin has come to save Humanity (or at least the slaves...or at least the Russians which includes the Ukrainians as it is clear that Ukraine is part of Russia):
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Saved by Putin:
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Human saved by Putin, next to dog saved from being saved by Putin:
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Montuno

...como el Son...
Zelensky points to the Porcelanosa, Maxam and Sercobe companies and asks them to abandon their business with Russia
  • The Valencian company denies this statement and claims its humanitarian support for the Ukrainian people
  • The president has asked to increase the sanctions during his speech in the Congress of Deputies
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The president of Ukraine, Volodímir Zelenski , has expressly targeted some Spanish companies to ask them to stop doing business with Russia; specifically Porcelanosa, Maxam and the National Association of Capital Goods Manufacturers (Sercobe) during their telematic intervention in the Congress of Deputies.


Maxam is an industrial group dedicated to the manufacture and sale of explosives founded in 1872 by Alfred Nobel in Galdácano (Bilbao), under the name of the Spanish Dynamite Society.


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Zelenski asks for more weapons and sanctions in Congress: "We are in April 2022, but it seems like 1937 in Gernika"


This "global company", Maxam, has more than 6,000 employees and is present in more than 50 countries, which coincide with the main mining areas of the world. According to the figures available on its website, its turnover is around 1,000 million euros, with sales in more than 100 markets.
Its subsidiary Maxam Russia was established in 2002 with headquarters in Moscow and facilities in various parts of the country, such as Samara or Siberia.
According to available information, its activity consists of supplying products to metallic and non-metallic mines - iron in the southern and central Urals, lead and limestone deposits in Siberia, gold and diamonds in Alrosa and Sovrudnik - as well as quarries from all over Russia.

Zelenski has also targeted Sercobe and Porcelanosa

Zelenski has also made reference to Sercobe which, according to the ICEX list of Spanish entities present in Russia, which includes, for example , Anfalum, AFBEL, Socomec, Vertiv, Electra Molins , etc., also has commercial relations in the country.


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Inditex suspends its activity in Russia, its second market after Spain with more than 500 stores

The Porcelonosa company has also been the object of his criticism. This Spanish business group based in Vila-real (Castellón) and created in 1973, is dedicated to the manufacture and sale of flooring and ceramics , although it also has business lines that include everything from kitchen or bathroom equipment to technological materials and advanced solutions. constructive for contemporary architecture.

Porcelanosa claims its humanitarian support for the Ukrainian people

On Tuesday, the Porcelanosa group defended its humanitarian support for the Ukrainian people in the face of the Russian invasion and has insisted that it has no network of its own stores in Russia or investments in that country, in which it has suspended all commercial activity since February 24.
At a press conference, the group's CEO, María José Soriano, accompanied by one of the founders of Porcelanosa, Héctor Colonques, reacted urgently to Zelenski's allusion to his signature.
"We do not know where he has taken refuge, they will have sent him some wrong information or it has occurred to him," Soriano said about the aforementioned allusion by Volodímir Zelenski.
Colonques has recognized that this is a "very sad" situation for them because it is "the opposite" of what they have been doing since the Russian invasion began, which is to stop all business there and support the Ukrainian population with emergency aid, including with Ukrainian personnel on their staff who have made them, according to Soriano, "live with more reality" the suffering of their families in the invaded country.

Sercobe denies the president's words

For its part, the National Association of Capital Goods Manufacturers Sercobe has "flatly" denied that it is doing any type of business with Russian companies or organizations since international sanctions have been put in place by the international community.
"Sercobe rigorously complies with international law , being one of the main references before the Spanish Administration in all regulatory and normative matters", the association has remarked in a statement sent to Europa Press.

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Radio Televisión Española.
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
The Czech Army would have sent 'dozens' of vehicles from its reserves


The main battle tanks and other vehicles that the Czech Republic is sending to Ukraine

@DefenseAviationTue 5 4 2022 22:12
Until now, the shipment of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine, in addition to light weapons, had been reported. The Czechs have gone the extra mile.
Ukraine puts a price on Russian weapons: this is what it will pay to those who deliver it
Russia has already lost more than 2,000 military vehicles in Ukraine: these are the models

This Tuesday, The Wall Street Journal and Reuters have reported the shipment of “dozens” of T-72 main battle tanks and BVP-1 infantry fighting vehicles from the Czech Army to Ukraine , a military aid that the Czech Government has not wanted to confirm. and that it would have been done very discreetly. Ceska Televize and OSINTdefender have shown images of that shipment, by rail.

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A Czech T-72M1 on its way to Ukraine (Photo: OSINTdefender ).


The Czech Army has 86 T-72M1 tanks, of Soviet origin, and 30 T-72M4CZ , a version of the same model modernized in the Czech Republic. Of the 86 Czech T-72M1s, only 20 were active, the rest remaining in storage to date. The Ukrainian Army already had T-72 main battle tanks , so they do not have to train their crews to handle a new model when they receive the Czech tanks.
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A Czech BVP-1 infantry fighting vehicle on its way to Ukraine (Photo: OSINTdefender ).


In turn, the Czech Army owns 145 BVP-1 infantry fighting vehicles , a version of the famous Soviet BMP-1 model made in the former Czechoslovakia. All Czech Army BVP-1s were in storage, serving as reserve vehicles. As with the T-72, the Ukrainian Army is also very familiar with the BMP-1 , as it had more than a thousand of these vehicles before the Russian invasion.
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T-72 tanks and VCI BVP-1 on board a train (Photo: OSINTdefender ).


The shipment of those T-72s and BVP-1s to Ukraine is the first confirmed delivery of armored vehicles to Ukraine by a Western country since the start of the Russian invasion on February 24. There are other NATO countries that also have vehicles of this type, for having belonged to the Warsaw Pact in the past. Poland has 382 T-72s (a part of them in storage), in addition to 232 PT-91 Twardys , a local modernized version of the T-72, and about 800 BWP-1 infantry fighting vehicles , the Polish version of the BMP-1 .
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Some of the Czech BVP-1s (left) and T-72s shipped to Ukraine (Photo: OSINTdefender ).


Bulgaria also has a considerable number of T-72s , with 160 in service and 250 in storage, as well as a hundred BMP-1s. Romania has an older armored fleet, with some 220 T-55s (already very obsolete), of which 108 are in service (the rest are in storage). In addition, the Romanian Army has more than 200 TR-85s , a modernized version of the T-55, and 12 TR-580s, another variant of the same tank. Romania also has more than a hundred MLI-84s, the local version of the BMP-1.
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The Czech T-72s sent to Ukraine are already obsolete models, although the Russians continue to use this type of battle tank. Many of the Czech T-72s were currently in storage, in reserve (Photo: OSINTdefender ).


Slovakia has a very small armored fleet , with 20 T-72M1s and 69 BVP-1s, plus a further 236 BVP-1s in storage. In turn, Croatia has 72 M-84s , the Yugoslav variant of the T-72, and fewer than a hundred BVP M-80s, the Yugoslav equivalent of the BMP-1. Ultimately, Slovenia only has 14 M-84s , 30 M-55s (a variant of the outdated T-55) and 52 BVP M-80s. The Albanian and Montenegrin Armored Forces are very small, while Hungary has already announced that it does not want to send weapons to Ukraine.
Other countries may have already shipped tanks to Ukraine, but have not announced it. Certainly, it's hard to keep something as flashy as a trainload of tanks headed for Ukraine a secret. In any case, the discretion of these shipments would make it possible to avoid the frustrated delivery of the MiG-29 to Ukraine.


https://www.outono.net/elentir/2022/...ndo-a-ucrania/
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
False Flag Shenanigans: Russia Destroys Own Equipment During False Flag Operations In Eastern Ukraine


Oryx Monday, February 21, 2022 BMP , BTR 0 Comments

By Stijn Mitzer

Russia and Russian-backed separatist forces have been staging a number of false flag operations in Eastern Ukraine throughout mid-to-late February 2022 to fabricate a pretext for an invasion of Ukraine by Russian forces. Russia has long conducted such false flag operations to portray itself or allied nations as victims, evade responsibility (for MH17 for example), sow confusion and create a pretext for war. In typical Russian fashion, these operations are conducted with an amateurish approach that appears inherent to most Russian intelligence operations. [1]



For Eastern Ukraine specifically, this has included a supposed infiltration by Ukrainian saboteurs into Russia. [2] Geolocation of the footage (taken from the helmet of one of the Ukrainian soldiers that supposedly participated in the infiltration) debunked the story within an hour after it turned out that the supposed incursion into Russian territory was carried out from separatist-held territory. [3] Rather than showing the bodies of the five Ukrainian soldiers that were supposedly killed in the raid, Russia instead showed a destroyed BTR-70M armoured personnel carrier (APC) that was painted in an ill-conceived attempt to make it look like a Ukrainian vehicle. [4] Ironically, Ukraine doesn't even operate the BTR-70M, further showing the attention (or lack thereof) that goes into these false flag operations.


Other false flag operations have included car bombings and even evacuations which's timestamp indicated they were filmed days before they were announced by Russian and separatist authorities. [5] The common trend with all of these operations is that they further propel Russia on the path toward becoming a full-fledged pariah state. The painting of own vehicles to make them look like Ukrainian ones before having them appear in a badly-staged provocation and later blowing them up all the while leaving ample evidence everything is a farce truly defines false flag shenanigans.


(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual Russian or separatist vehicle destroyed in a Russian false flag operation)

Russia / Russian Separatist Forces

Armoured Fighting Vehicles (3, of which destroyed: 3)

Vehicles (2, of which destroyed: 2)
[1] How GRU Sabotage and Assassination Operations in Czechia and Bulgaria Sought to Undermine Ukraine https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...rmine-ukraine/
[2] Russian border security eliminates five saboteurs infiltrating from Ukraine https://tass.com/emergencies/1407169

[3] https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...75073906610180
[4] Знищений російський БТР-70 "військових України" у районі кордону Росії [21.02.2022] https://youtu.be/tyCK_hdWxdE
[5] https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...83522682425344

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...ssian.html?m=1
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
List Of Naval Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine ( March 24):


Oryx Thursday, March 24, 2022 Berdyansk , Hetman Sahaydachniy 2 Comments

By Stijn Mitzer in collaboration with Joost Oliemans Kemal, Dan and Jakub Janovsky

A detailed list of destroyed, damaged and captured ships of both sides can be seen below. This list will be updated as additional footage becomes available.

This list only includes naval vessels of which photo or videographic evidence or loss notices are available. Therefore, the amount of destroyed and damaged naval vessels could be higher than what is recorded here. Derelict naval vessels and civilian craft are not included in this list.


(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual destroyed, damaged or captured vessel)


Russia - 3, of which: destroyed: 1, damaged: 2




Landing Ships (2, of which destroyed: 1, damaged: 1)
Patrol Boats Ships (1, of which damaged: 1)
Ukraine - 14, of which: sunk: 2, captured: 12


Frigate (1, of which destroyed: 1)
Patrol and Gunboats (5 of which destroyed: 1, captured: 4)
Miscellaneous Vessels (13, of which destroyed: 2, captured: 11)
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/03/list-of-naval-losses-during-2022.html?m=1
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
List Of Aircraft Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine (March 20) :


Oryx Sunday, March 20, 2022 Helicopters , Invasion Of Ukraine 6 Comments

By Stijn Mitzer in collaboration with Joost Oliemans Kemal, Dan and Jakub Janovsky

A detailed list of destroyed, damaged and captured aircraft, helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of both sides can be seen below. This list is constantly updated as additional footage becomes available.

This list only includes destroyed aerial assets of which photo or videographic evidence or pilot death notices are available. Therefore, the amount of destroyed and damaged aircraft is likely significantly higher than recorded here. Derelict and civilian aircraft are not included in this list.


(Click on the numbers to get a picture of each individual captured or destroyed aircraft)


Russia - 74, of which: destroyed: 62, damaged: 3, abandoned: 1, captured: 8

Combat Aircraft (19, of which destroyed: 18, damaged: 1)
Transport Aircraft (1, of which destroyed: 1)
Helicopters (32, of which destroyed: 28, damaged: 2, abandoned: 1, captured: 1)
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (22, of which destroyed: 18, captured: 7)



Ukraine - 31, of which: destroyed: 27, damaged: 1, captured: 3


Combat Aircraft (13, of which destroyed: 12, damaged: 1)
Transport Aircraft (2, of which destroyed: 2)
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (13, of which destroyed: 11, captured: 2)
Helicopters (3, of which destroyed: 2, captured: 1)

Unknown 11, of which: destroyed: 10, damaged: 1


Aircraft (1, of which destroyed: 1)
Helicopters (10, of which destroyed: 9, damaged: 1)
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...-2022.html?m=1
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
THE SPANISH ULTRA-RIGHT OF VOX:

Herman Tertsch: "Zelenski does not know that the iconography of Gernika is pure war propaganda"


5 April 2022 - 7:21 p.m.

Vox MEP Hermann Tertsch has assured that the "iconography of Gernika is pure war propaganda", but that the president of Ukraine, Volodímir Zelenski, "is not to blame" for not knowing it because he was "born in the USSR".
Tertsch has reacted in a tweet to Zelenski's intervention before the Congress of Deputies on Tuesday, where he has compared the Russian attacks in the war in Ukraine with the bombing of the fascist and Nazi army to the city of Gernika in 1937 , which was perpetrated by the Nazi Condor Legion and the Italian Legionary Aviation.

Tertsch's Twitter message is a response to another tweet by Felipe Utrera-Molina, son of José Utrera Molina, Franco's former minister. "Between 150 and 300 people died," he says, although the Government of Euskadi then registered up to 1,654 fatalities in an attack with 31 tons of bombs .
For the MEP from Abascal's party, the Ukrainian leader also does not know that in the fascist attack “they died less than in an attack on any town in Ukraine. He knows about the civil war according to Stalin and our schools”, he added.

https://www.eldiario.es/politica/ult...1_1087967.html


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Clipping from the newspaper Azul, organ of the Spanish Falange de las JONS in which the authorship of the destruction of the town is awarded to the Republican side.

"The fire occurred yesterday and Aguirre (president of the Republic of Euzkadi -sic-) has launched the lie -infamous- because he is a common criminal, of attributing that crime to the heroic and noble aviation of our National Army. prove at all times that the national aviation did not fly because of the fog [...] the Spain reconquered by Franco, serene, calm, free, happy, together with the National Army that defeats the enemy and rebuilds its homeland [...] ] the red hordes murder, martyr, burn, destroy, bring chaos everywhere"

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Franco before Putin: when the propaganda said that the bombing of Gernika was a 'republican fire'
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HISTORICAL MEMORY


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Francoist headlines denying the bombing of Gernika and images of the destruction of Nazi and fascist aviation allied with Franco
April 5, 2022 8:03 p.m.
Updated on 04/05/2022 20:26h19




The name of Mariúpol will go down in the history of cities devastated by war just like Sarajevo or Gernika did. In the case of this last Basque city, on April 26, 1937 German and Italian planes destroyed it, consummating the first example of 'total war'. The president of Ukraine, Volodímir Zelenski, referred to Gernika today during his telematic speech to the Congress of Deputies : “We are in April 2022, but it seems like April 1937”. The Francoist press did not hesitate then to follow the strategy that the media related to Putin now copy regarding the invasion of Ukraine.

EiTB journalist Dani Álvarez has reproduced press clippings from the time on his Twitter profile. Some, related to Franco: "There was no bombing of Guernica and there was destruction by the reds," said a headline in La Nueva España with the subheading 'Truth Triumphs'; others, telling what really happened, as did The London Times and The New York Times . The telegram that the journalist George Steer sent to The New York Times described the German bomb casings (with military symbols and the inscription Rheindorf 1936), as well as the use of an incendiary substance called 'thermite' that caused a wave of permanent fire during several days in the city.


In 2010, a work by Javier Ortiz Echagüe compiled texts and press clippings with the official version in a work for the Complutense University [ consult here in PDF ]. That study cites how Víctor de la Serna, for example, from the ABC newspaper in Seville, claimed: “it is the separatists who have set fire to Guernica, with a lazy, sacrilegious perversity.”

The practice of blaming the victims of the destruction was common on Franco's coup side during the Civil War and specifically during the so-called 'Battle of the North' and in the cases of the fighting in Irún, Eibar or the bombing of Durango. , prior to Gernika.

Lehendakari José Antonio Aguirre was also in the crosshairs of fascist propaganda: “Aguirre lies! vile lies! [...] There is no German or foreign aviation in national Spain. There is Spanish aviation. Noble and heroic Spanish aviation, which constantly fights with red planes that are Russian and French and driven by foreign aviators”, could be read in the Heraldo de Aragón on April 28, 1937.


Vox considers the official version of the bombing "propaganda"

Along these same lines, this Tuesday in April 2022, Hermann Tertsch, an MEP from the far-right formation Vox , stated on his Twitter profile: “Zelenski, born in the USSR, is not to blame for not knowing that the iconography of Guernica is Pure war propaganda. Nor that in Guernica they died less than in an attack on any town in the Ukraine. He knows about the civil war according to Stalin and our schools”.
Tertsch also accepts the figures on victims of Gernika that Luis Felipe Utrera-Molina, a lawyer for the Franco family and son of José Utrera Molina, Minister and Secretary General of the Movement in the dictatorship of Francisco Franco, has published on Twitter.

As the Gernika Peace Museum recalls , during the bombardment “a minimum of 31 tons of bombs” were dropped. Authorities recorded 1,654 fatalities. The mayor of Gernika, Jose Labauria, stated that more than a thousand people had lost their lives, including 450 in the Andra Mari street shelter. Father Eusebio Arronategi, who, like Labauria, was in Gernika during the bombing and in the days that followed, collaborating in the work of rescuing and identifying the bodies, said that he saw "thousands of his fellow citizens suffocated, dead and wounded."


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Gernika destroyed after the bombings in which the Nazi aviation collaborated

“The urban center of the town (…) was completely destroyed. 85.22% of the buildings -a total of 271- were totally destroyed and the rest partially affected. The incendiary bombs caused a fire that could not be put out for several days. In line with the concept of terror bombing, the weapons factories and the Errenteria bridge, the only strategic objectives of the town, were not bombed”, adds this institution.


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Montuno

...como el Son...
SPANISH HUMOR?:

THE NEWS

VOX demands to superimpose the text "RED ADVERTISING" on all images of "El Gernika" :

April 06, 2022
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The mention of the bombing of Gernika by the Ukrainian president, yesterday, in Congress, has raised blisters. Especially among those who sat on the side of the planes in 1937:
Outraged, VOX MEP Hermann Tertsch himself claimed that the famous painting depicting the horrors of the conflict was “war propaganda”.
For this reason, the ultra group has presented a proposal so that the text “RED ADVERTISING” accompanies all the images that show the work, accompanied by the subtitle: “This work can offend sensitivities, especially if you are a bit fascit”.


Many of the VOX deputies have been offended by the mention: “Let's see, the El Guernica thing is completely false. In that bombardment, hardly any people died, only Reds and future ETA members.”, declared a VOX deputy before plugging in the fourth carajillo (coffe with rum).


https://www.eljueves.es/news/vox-exi...-guernica_7644
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
Veteran
Insanity. You embrace it.

No I don't embrace it, I'm just telling you how it is. Personally I would rather nukes were outlawed and everyone who has them were forced to get rid of them, then we wouldn't have to worry about asshats like Putin threatening to use them or what the rest of the world might do in response to his use of them. You on the other hand don't seem to care one bit who Putin decides to indiscriminately nuke you just don't want anyone to retaliate so that only the one's Putin nukes gets screwed over.
 

Montuno

...como el Son...
Borodianka could be even much worse than Bucha: there is talk of groups of up to dozens of corpses, in different basements, gardens, houses...
 

HempKat

Just A Simple Old Dirt Farmer
Veteran
It's not the DoJ that will bring down the house. It is We The People and will be done through the media. As this is to be the Summer of the Great Awakening. Enjoy......

Every time when I look in the mirror
All these lines on my face getting clearer
The past is gone

And it went by, like dusk to dawn
Isn't that the way?
Everybody's got their dues in life to pay

Yeah, I know nobody knows
Where it comes and where it goes
I know it's everybody's sin
You got to lose to know how to win

Half my life's in books, written pages
Live and learn from fools and from sages
You know it's true, oh
All the things come back to you

Sing with me, sing for a year
Sing for the laughter, and sing the tear
Sing with me, if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away

Yeah, sing with me, sing for the year
Sing for the laughter, and sing for the tear
Sing it with me, if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away

Dream on
Dream on
Dream on
Dream until the dream come true

Dream on
Dream on
Dream on
Dream until your dream come true

Dream on
Dream on
Dream on
Dream on

Dream on
Dream on
Dream on, ah

Sing with me, sing for the year
Sing for the laughter and sing for the tear
Sing with me, if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away

Sing with me, sing for the year
Sing for the laughter, and sing for the tear
Sing it with me, if it's just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away
 
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