Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[shaggyballs]

Oh is that what he is saying His initial post on this thread was extremely unclear and misappropriated scare mongering BS which in at least one case he edited and added "Monsanto" to. I tend to distrust anyone who tampers with words to manufacture a scare campaign.

If it were to come down to voting for a bill which ruled out home growing then yes vote no but be sure you know what you're voting for.
Now your statement is the sole purpose of this tread(give it a read ...Man for a smart guy, it does not seem to me that you even read this thread...But yet you state you are against this???
Or are you for this sort of thing...now I am really confused!
Having read over the Michigan laws essentially med laws stand and legalization laws are a separate thing - meaning med home grows stand and nothing changes other than simple possession is no longer a criminal offense. Things seem cool here in the Mitten but what about all the other poor saps being taken advantage of?

Other than this - a few thoughts on the situation. The reality is (with provisos that I'll come to in a moment) that big monopolies will take over the grow scene - as long as this is suitably regulated (e.g. regulations to ensure the cleanest end produce possible) I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing.
So to set the record straight are you for this?(below)

Certainly in some States the med growing laws are as strict as hell and limit the numbers of grows and license the grow ops who then have to adhere to strict grow requirements. I'm involved in consulting to one of these now. To me this situation is far more preferable than having a bunch of synthetic PGR using cowboys who understand nothing about plant biology growing what is deemed to be medicine.
So you say yourself may have a financial stake in legalization...Funny this is just what you accused me of, this action is ok for you but not others ok, I get it now!
Let's just take Ca as an example which is a shit show - 15% 0f med testing positive for synthetic pesticides and 50% of this being paclobutrazol.Also these numbers are low because often these tests are asked for by the growers who say prove I'm clean (and then the dumb shits test positive The proviso however is this - legalization ultimately undermines drug war laws so does cannabis growing in every home is this not a better solution than submitting to corporate greed?
Grow what you smoke and smoke what you grow. and while technically small home growers may be short term be worried about changes ultimately how do you prosecute one person for what you have licensed others to do. May I just say the US government has had a patent on cannabis for a long time but why are people still going to jail if your statement is true? And will police at that point be worried about pursuing growers because the courts are basically not interested. Police not interested in money?? This is far from truth. Legal precedents will be set etc. Further, as legalization does occur it undermines the whole federal government stance on cannabis and eventually they will have to respect democracy (big picture).
Yea! the big picture!
The part you keep missing is if people lose their rights and freedom along the way it should be a no go!...NO WAY.
How has legalization worked out for those Canadians??
Oh yea! they have to take what they are given by the government.
Another reason why your "legalize at any cost" would be a bad idea!

Haha mate and no need for an apology - I found your post quite tasteful and honest after reading Shaggy's turbo posts of half arsed fear mongering distortions.

Just more personal attacks..keep em comin' it shows I am doin' somthin' right!
Childish actions like this from a man that is respected in the community...Like I stated I am rethinking my opinion of you...and I know you say you don't care.
But your actions show otherwise. you are still here in my thread are you not?

Think of it this way, I have $1000, is it better for me to hold on to it till I find the best deal?
Or should I buy the first one I come across and then try to get my money back when I find a better deal?

After you went all in, it is hard to get your money back for a better deal.....RIGHT?
So I propose, we hold on to our money till we find the right deal....that is all.

Is this the way you spend hard earned dollars?
Is this how you handle your rights, to choose for yourself what is best.
That is just the way I see it though.

GLOW say's talking about losing your rights is fear mongering...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=293098
But as this poll states...most people here agree this is an important issue to them.
They are not so ready for your and I quote "any type of legalization"

 

[shaggyballs]

Shaggy this is getting old - please stop turbo posting I though this was my thread.. my bad.dribble and post the text from the proposed law changes (unedited) where it states med laws will be scrapped in favor of legalization. Sorry mate, but all the proposals I have read to date do not scrap med laws which means no loss and only gain.
Dear sir the information is before you.
You must take time to do your own research, that is not why i am here to convince you of what i already know (now I sound like you..LOL)

Your initial post on this thread - one of many scaremongering threads you have started is a joke pal re why they shouldn't legalize cannabis. Firstly you tampered with the Monsanto story. Monsanto was never mentioned in that story until you added to someones else's work.I provided a link to a radio show that has said the same(did you read the thread?) Secondly, you are using Canada's med laws to demonize legalization. You clearly know shit about the Canadian situation and have misappropriated a story and taken it out of context. Ask any Canadian
Dear sir
Again you do not have the facts straight!
I have asked many, I live very near Canada and go there often.
Here is a quote from this forum for a Canadian citizen(more dribble for ya!) "The injunction was pushed through last year by John Conroy to halt the forced changeover of old users of the MMAR to the MMPR. For now, there is leeway until Feb of 2015. The Federal government appealed unsuccessfully, I believe. Old users are left in ridiculous limbo, HC rejects any paperwork sent to them, restricting anyone with a permit to grow to their given residence as of Oct 2013, although there is a cross appeal slowly moving forward.

New users are restricted to buying schwag (although some of it looks decent) from the new LPs. There's a whole slew of unbelievable nonsense surrounding the LPs from chronic shortages (prompting a potential lawsuit), inferior product, to buying their genetics from BC Bud Depot and having shipments bought from MMAR producers (see: organized crime) seized by the RCMP.

It's a shit show."

and they would tell you they want legalization even if it means no home growing?- not the poxy med laws the government has imposed on the people. BTW - the reason cannabis was never legalized in Canada was because of US Fed Gov intervention due to cross boarder trafficking. The only Canadians who want their med laws are those that have got the licenses for the grows and I know one of these people (he's a very happy camper about now). So, the Canadian story should be why not to legalize med; not why not to legalize and in fact it is a shining example of why legalization is critical. How soon after the US fed legalizes do you think Canada would follow suit? My guess would be within a year. Should I go on and dissect the rest of your bullshit?Feel free please do! You're low rent pal and that is why I am calling you.

I am low rent you say....and why is this? you still have not stated why?
Because I am one of the few with Balls Big enough to stand up to a bully like you?
I will not cower from you as I have seen many do.
Just because you have more intelligence than I, does not automatically give you common sense.

You yourself have proven this!
We stand for the same things so you state, but yet you still attack me for our mutual beliefs.

You are beginning to contradict yourself a bit now, I am confused where you stand.

 

[glow]

Just more personal attacks..keep em comin' it shows I am doin' somthin' right!
Childish actions like this from a man that is respected in the community...Like I stated I am rethinking my opinion of you...and I know you say you don't care.
But your actions show otherwise. you are still here in my thread are you not?

Think of it this way, I have $1000, is it better for me to hold on to it till I find the best deal?
Or should I buy the first one I come across and then try to get my money back when I find a better deal?

After you went all in, it is hard to get your money back for a better deal.....RIGHT?
So I propose, we hold on to our money till we find the right deal....that is all.

Is this the way you spend hard earned dollars?
Is this how you handle your rights, to choose for yourself what is best.
That is just the way I see it though.

GLOW say's talking about losing your rights is fear mongering...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=293098
But as this poll states...most people here agree this is an important issue to them.
They are not so ready for your and I quote "any type of legalization"

You keep failing to answer my questions Shags. I said post the part of the legalization proposal where it says med laws will be scrapped in favor of legalization. Oh and please stop citing yourself as a credible source. You may have fooled some here but you aren't fooling others. Now, rather than discussing the relationship we don't have and your opinions of me try answering the real question. Where in the legalization proposal does it say med laws will be scrapped?

 

[glow]

I am low rent you say....and why is this? you still have not stated why?
Because I am one of the few with Balls Big enough to stand up to a bully like you?
I will not cower from you as I have seen many do.
Just because you have more intelligence than I, does not automatically give you common sense.

You yourself have proven this!
We stand for the same things so you state, but yet you still attack me for our mutual beliefs.

You are beginning to contradict yourself a bit now, I am confused where you stand.

Lol - as I said this is getting very old. Answer the question Shags.Stop distorting, twisting and turning and answer a very simple question. What are you trying to hide?

 

[luxcultivars]

This whole thread?

 

[shaggyballs]

Amazing that you could interpret my remarks in a way to fashion such a strange personal attack.
Point made Jhhnn i reread the post, I feel I was out of order here. sorry!

When I say it's great & that we never had it so good, I think it's pretty obvious that I wish the same or better for the entire community. I'm confident that people in newly legalized states & DC feel the same way. We're all cheering for legalization efforts everywhere & do what we can to support them.

We need more states to join us so that we can force federal law to change. It's really the only avenue open, particularly given the complexion of the new Congress.
Yes, I agree, but without giving up our rights!

What more would you have us do, other than our best to make legalization work for everybody in CO? To set an honest & positive example for others to follow? To create a statistical base that annihilates the propaganda myths of prohibition?

How is any of that a threat?

You are right Jhhnn this is no threat!
You are a smart guy Jhhnn and have many qualities to be admired!
I just don't see other states following the CO. model.
Don't get me wrong I feel it is a great model.
I feel GREED will see $$$$$ and put a end to anything un-taxable.
It is a lot easier to tax one big company, than it is to tax 1 million!
So they will soon toss out home growing or simply not include it in the new law.
That is where I see the problem of legalization!

AS you stated before, maybe not in CO. but other states see $$$$ already!

 

[glow]

Oh and a classic example of your distortions you say "The part you keep missing is if people lose their rights and freedom along the way it should be a no go!...NO WAY.
How has legalization worked out for those Canadians??
Oh yea! they have to take what they are given by the government.
Another reason why your "legalize at any cost" would be a bad idea!"

To answer - legalization never worked out for Canadians - they never had legalization. What they did get was a medical laws which enable monopolies to control growing med. So your example of the Canada experience should be to support not legalizing med. Stop twisting and turning and bullshitting and answer a very simple question.

 

[minds_I]

Wow, for a pissing match this has gone on for a long time kiddies.

How is it a mod has not stopped this?

 

[glow]

You are right Jhhnn this is no threat!
You are a smart guy Jhhnn and have many qualities to be admired!
I just don't see other states following the CO. model.
Don't get me wrong I feel it is a great model.
I feel GREED will see $$$$$ and put a end to anything un-taxable.
It is a lot easier to tax one big company, than it is to tax 1 million!
So they will soon toss out home growing or simply not include it in the new law.
That is where I see the problem of legalization!

AS you stated before, maybe not in CO. but other states see $$$$ already!

Oh so now you say and soon they will toss out home growing.... Thanks for the answer (albeit inadvertent) ---- in other words med laws stand and legalization is a win/win for growers and users.

What does seem to be your problem, however, in this response is paying taxes for to the country you proclaim to love and would die for (but apparently not be prepared to pay your dues to - so really what you are saying is that you are prepared to have people in prison because you will lose something personally re some money hmmmm).

Dude are you on meth or anything? Your thoughts are extremely scattered and erratic.

 

[glow]

Wow, for a pissing match this has gone on for a long time kiddies.

How is it a mod has not stopped this?

Actually I agree - I'm out of here. Sorry for the shit fight but someone had to dissect this BS a bit.

 

[shaggyballs]

Oh and a classic example of your distortions you say "The part you keep missing is if people lose their rights and freedom along the way it should be a no go!...NO WAY.
How has legalization worked out for those Canadians??
Oh yea! they have to take what they are given by the government.
Another reason why your "legalize at any cost" would be a bad idea!"

To answer - legalization never worked out for Canadians - they never had legalization. What they did get was a medical laws which enable monopolies to control growing med. So your example of the Canada experience should be to support not legalizing med. Stop twisting and turning and bullshitting and answer a very simple question.

So what you are saying is right now Canadians have to get cannabis through the government, and you think legalization will give them the right to grow back. and the govt. will lose all those tax dollars?
I just don't see this happening.

What was the very simple question?

 

[shaggyballs]

Actually I agree - I'm out of here. Sorry for the shit fight but someone had to dissect this BS a bit.

I stand for Legalization ONLY if the law is for the people and by the people.
I have stated this many many many times over and over!
(have you ever read this thread GLOW?)
And you need to dissect this and call it BS.
Strange?

I am sorry but I must say I have remained very consistent in my stand over time.
On the other hand you have changed sides on several occasions.
So it is you who has shown to be erratic.
Take a look back you will l see for yourself.

You say you are sorry for the shit fight?
But it was only you throwing shit?...hmmm
You agree with most of my values and claim you feel the same.
But I am low rent....Hmmm
Who is really acting erratic here.
It is in black and white for all to see.
Let the world see the truth by all means!

 

[WaittillIdie]

dc

 

[glow]

You be posting in a troll thread folks. lol

But I eat trolls for breakfast.

Glow: Ok buddy boy. This plant is a gift from god. Who the fuck are you to say what can even be done with it. Who is it to say for anyone. Co laws are pretty decent and that is the bottom line. I don't know what garbage you be spewing above but it stinks.

You wanna be little my character. Go right ahead. I could give a crap less because it aint true and if you knew the truth your head might explode from all the poo spewing out of it.

I erased some post cause I ain't happy with the world and I felt like it. You gotta a problem with that? I felt like it. If you were not listening then, then oh well.

I've been on these boards since 2004 buddy if you did not know.

I could really give a flipp fluck what you really think to be honest.

We're getting our med and rec laws and if you assholes try to take it away from the little guy then got a nother thing coming.

The point was made 40 pages back. What flip you doing beating this dead horse.

I can't believe this thread is still getting bump with bullshit.
That's because Canada is republican sorta gov't for a long time and can't quite get it fully together thanks to dip shit Harper. Bush paid him off with big oil and the private prison corps.

Actually I'm somewhat confused by your post because I agree with you completely... Co laws are pretty decent.

 

[WaittillIdie]

dc

 

[glow]

I can't decipher all your rambling from the last 20 post you made in the last few hours.

All you had to come on here and say was CO laws are great. Gotta keep the home growers and not let the big corps make laws to not home grow. If your a rec user 6 plants can go a long way if you conserve and buy a little on the side. You can get 50 plant limits recommendations. Not everyone wants to buy their meds from a store and prefer to grow medicine for themselves.

I think you've misinterpreted what I'm saying. Co laws are the ideal - an amazing scheme. What Shags is saying is to vote no to these types of laws. Therein lies my problem so 100% support for your position and no support for Shag's position.

 

[shaggyballs]

Actually I'm somewhat confused by your post because I agree with you completely... Co laws are pretty decent.

Now this is where it gets even stranger!
I agree with him too.
Are we on the same side or not?
Not everyone wants to buy their meds from a store and prefer to grow medicine for themselves.

If legalization means no loss of rights and it will be treated like the plant that it is...Then I am all for it! (in the thread already)

How about we just end prohibition...Better yet...NO?

 

[shaggyballs]

I think you've misinterpreted what I'm saying. Co laws are the ideal - an amazing scheme. What Shags is saying is to vote no to these types of laws. Therein lies my problem so 100% support for your position and no support for Shag's position.

GeeZee, for a man of extreme intellect you sure miss a lot!
What Shags is saying is to vote no to these types of laws.
I think you've misinterpreted what I'm saying.
No I did not..not ever..Please read the thread!
It would save you from all of the false accusations if you simply read the thread

Am I incorrect in stating this is something you say on a regular basis.(Did you read the thread)
That sounds like a double standard to me..Just sayin'

And their you go changing sides again, what side are you on.
What specifically are you against when I say" a law written for the people and by the people.

Just answer this one simple question!( to use your words)

 

[glow]

Now this is where it gets even stranger!
I agree with him too.
Are we on the same side or not?
Not everyone wants to buy their meds from a store and prefer to grow medicine for themselves.

If legalization means no loss of rights and it will be treated like the plant that it is...Then I am all for it! (in the thread already)

How about we just end prohibition...Better yet...NO?

Shag's you've told people vote no to legalization or else. You've started fear mongering threads all over IC Mag with this message in mind. What you have failed to do is show one shred of evidence that med laws will be scrapped and replaced by limited legalization. What you have instead done is argue with Co people and tell them that they are going to be overrun by monopolies. So we agree then - vote yes to legalization Good all done - either way this thread has run its course.

 

[shaggyballs]

Shag's you've told people vote no to legalization or else. You've started fear mongering threads all over IC Mag with this message in mind. What you have failed to do is show one shred of evidence that med laws will be scrapped and replaced by limited legalization. What you have instead done is argue with Co people and tell them that they are going to be overrun by monopolies. So we agree then - vote yes to legalization Good all done - either way this thread has run its course.

Yes I have told people vote no to legalization or else.
Or else they may lose their right to home growing and may be forced to buy from the govt. among other reasons.
And I provided you with valid references to why I and many other feel this way. You may call it dribble, but check you will find the facts.
If you wish to look the other way that is fine, but you are here to convince me of what I know to be true is actually false.
But you provide only opinion to make your case.
And I am supposed to bow to you and accept you word over what i see is evidence of bad thing taking place right now.
Would you, I once though you stood for what is right...now not so much.
You would gain a large amount of money through legalization would you not?(lets see if you answer this one)
Me I just want to grow my own, and give others the same common courtesy.
I have no financial gain or loss either way, so you see I am unbiased....you... I wonder now?

This is your statement not mine!
What you have failed to do is show one shred of evidence that med laws will be scrapped and replaced by limited legalization.
I never stated this!